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sr. member
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September 05, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)
What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.
Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Several pool operators have confirmed that they have had no contact with GAW whatsoever, and have not seen any rise in hashrate commensurate with GAW's claimed power.
There is no evidence that the Hashlets exist in any form, or are actually mining on any pool, or any coin.
What you are buying is a contract which will pay you the equivalent rate that you would have earned if you were hashing on Wafflepool, minus maintenance fees. They may or may not actually be mining.
As the expected overall return from that contract is negative, GAW could simply take your initial money, then slowly return it to you, and still make a profit, with no actual mining required.
And there's no proof they aren't.
GAW is not taking your money and giving it back. They have invested in 3 data centers, their main office and bought a domain for $1 million. If they wanted to pay you back your own money they'd just sell fake contracts like Lunamine without the need for any facilities.

They also host actual hardware. But hashlets are not actual hardware...they are "digital," whatever that means. I have to agree with murraypaul here...I doubt there is any hardware backing these things, with the possible exception of Zen/Prime (which might have a positive expected return). It's not really a Ponzi, since I think they will be able to pay everyone (e.g. the expected return is negative). We're basically loaning them money with a negative interest rate ;-)

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that Hashlets do or don't represent actual mining.
I'm just saying there is zero evidence that they do.
They don't even actually claim that they do.
From their terms of service:
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You understand that Hashlets are virtual service units related to mining services, but are not mining hardware. Hashlets earnings depend on the pool chosen and Payouts reflect respective Pool Payouts. Selecting a Pool does not imply physically or electronically mining at the selected Pool. Rather, selecting a Pool determines a Payout corresponding to a calculation based on the selected Pool’s payout (based on, for example, real-time Megahash/second/day calculations). A Hashlet is virtual software. You will receive Payouts according to the Pool with with the Hashlet is associated. You expressly understand the the Company’s sole obligation to You is to Provide a Payout based on the Pool you choose. It may take 24-48 hours for your Hashlet to appear on Your Portal. Company reserves the right to refund You, and terminate services, at any time and for any reason. All sales are final.
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September 05, 2014, 08:39:01 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)
What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.
Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Several pool operators have confirmed that they have had no contact with GAW whatsoever, and have not seen any rise in hashrate commensurate with GAW's claimed power.
There is no evidence that the Hashlets exist in any form, or are actually mining on any pool, or any coin.
What you are buying is a contract which will pay you the equivalent rate that you would have earned if you were hashing on Wafflepool, minus maintenance fees. They may or may not actually be mining.
As the expected overall return from that contract is negative, GAW could simply take your initial money, then slowly return it to you, and still make a profit, with no actual mining required.
And there's no proof they aren't.
GAW is not taking your money and giving it back. They have invested in 3 data centers, their main office and bought a domain for $1 million. If they wanted to pay you back your own money they'd just sell fake contracts like Lunamine without the need for any facilities.

They also host actual hardware. But hashlets are not actual hardware...they are "digital," whatever that means. I have to agree with murraypaul here...I doubt there is any hardware backing these things, with the possible exception of Zen/Prime (which might have a positive expected return). It's not really a Ponzi, since I think they will be able to pay everyone (e.g. the expected return is negative). We're basically loaning them money with a negative interest rate ;-)
sr. member
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September 05, 2014, 07:50:09 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)
What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.
Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Several pool operators have confirmed that they have had no contact with GAW whatsoever, and have not seen any rise in hashrate commensurate with GAW's claimed power.
There is no evidence that the Hashlets exist in any form, or are actually mining on any pool, or any coin.
What you are buying is a contract which will pay you the equivalent rate that you would have earned if you were hashing on Wafflepool, minus maintenance fees. They may or may not actually be mining.
As the expected overall return from that contract is negative, GAW could simply take your initial money, then slowly return it to you, and still make a profit, with no actual mining required.
And there's no proof they aren't.
GAW is not taking your money and giving it back. They have invested in 3 data centers, their main office and bought a domain for $1 million. If they wanted to pay you back your own money they'd just sell fake contracts like Lunamine without the need for any facilities.
sr. member
Activity: 476
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September 05, 2014, 04:51:23 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)
What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.
Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Several pool operators have confirmed that they have had no contact with GAW whatsoever, and have not seen any rise in hashrate commensurate with GAW's claimed power.
There is no evidence that the Hashlets exist in any form, or are actually mining on any pool, or any coin.
What you are buying is a contract which will pay you the equivalent rate that you would have earned if you were hashing on Wafflepool, minus maintenance fees. They may or may not actually be mining.
As the expected overall return from that contract is negative, GAW could simply take your initial money, then slowly return it to you, and still make a profit, with no actual mining required.
hero member
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September 05, 2014, 01:13:22 AM
They should also make a description of each hashlet we hover / click on.
legendary
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September 05, 2014, 12:45:12 AM
Solo hashlets are just creating confusion

It was better to offer just "prime hashlet" at a more affordable price.


Yup, I was confused. No maintenance fee info on main site...really not even a description of what a "Cleverminer" is. Should at least allow upgrades (and downgrades?) due to this.

I will say it again...this is a very strange model.
Agreed...

I have 250MHs of first batch hashlets and could not see advantages on "solos".

at this precise moment, just the ZenHashlet is the most convenient... HashletPrime, in my personal opinion, is a waste of money, at least until they will tell us exactly what it is capable of...
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September 04, 2014, 07:48:58 PM
Solo hashlets are just creating confusion

It was better to offer just "prime hashlet" at a more affordable price.


Yup, I was confused. No maintenance fee info on main site...really not even a description of what a "Cleverminer" is. Should at least allow upgrades (and downgrades?) due to this.

I will say it again...this is a very strange model.
Agreed...

I have 250MHs of first batch hashlets and could not see advantages on "solos".
legendary
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World Class Cryptonaire
September 04, 2014, 03:35:45 PM
Solo hashlets are just creating confusion

It was better to offer just "prime hashlet" at a more affordable price.


Yup, I was confused. No maintenance fee info on main site...really not even a description of what a "Cleverminer" is. Should at least allow upgrades (and downgrades?) due to this.

I will say it again...this is a very strange model.

Cleverminer hashlets are basically hashlets that will always match the BTC/MH/day that clevermining.com makes. These can be traded later for other miners in a marketplace that they are creating (trading between people).

They introduced solo pool hashlets so that they could create a more affordable hashlet that will have less features than their "gold standard" miner, the hashlet prime which will ALWAYS be upgraded with whatever new improvements they make.
full member
Activity: 260
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September 04, 2014, 03:29:40 PM
Solo hashlets are just creating confusion

It was better to offer just "prime hashlet" at a more affordable price.


Yup, I was confused. No maintenance fee info on main site...really not even a description of what a "Cleverminer" is. Should at least allow upgrades (and downgrades?) due to this.

I will say it again...this is a very strange model.
legendary
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September 04, 2014, 12:42:49 PM
Solo hashlets are just creating confusion

It was better to offer just "prime hashlet" at a more affordable price.
legendary
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September 04, 2014, 10:51:45 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)

What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.

Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Most people are accepting that they are being pointed at the "Zenpool" and getting payouts; but if they are buying the WaffleHashlet then it's mining on the Wafflepool as SCRYPT?  Which is currently showing 75% profitability vs LTC?

If a pool shuts down what happens to your miner pointed at it?  I'm sorry if this has been answered somewhere, I haven't seen it.

AFAIK all hashlets are mining on the ZENpool, however, if your hashlet is a "Clevermining" hashlet, your payouts are set to match the payouts of Clevermining. So your hashlet is in fact not mining on the Clevermining multipool. As the payouts differ from day to day on all pools, the payouts are set to whatever this level is. Now should a third party pool close, then I assume that GAW will "convert" the hashlet to another 3rd party multihashlet, e.g. make all Clevermining hashlets to Wafflepool hashlets. All they need to do is change the payments for the affected miners to match that of another 3rd party pool.

As the hashlets become more advance perhaps they will be able to be pointed to an arbitrary 3rd party pool, but for now the user gets to choose the pool upon purchase of the selected Solo hashlet.
newbie
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September 04, 2014, 10:02:34 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)

What happens if the operator of Wafflepool shuts down the site?  I didn't really understand the price increase just for the ability to switch pools or stay on one pool.

Did GAW make deals with the pool operators?  Like Clevermining and Wafflepool?  It hasn't made sense to mine SCRYPT on Wafflepool in a long time, or am I missing something?

Most people are accepting that they are being pointed at the "Zenpool" and getting payouts; but if they are buying the WaffleHashlet then it's mining on the Wafflepool as SCRYPT?  Which is currently showing 75% profitability vs LTC?

If a pool shuts down what happens to your miner pointed at it?  I'm sorry if this has been answered somewhere, I haven't seen it.
legendary
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September 04, 2014, 09:18:25 AM
Prices went down by a dollar today on all Solo hashlets  but not the Prime Hashlet. That stays at the same price.

legendary
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September 04, 2014, 09:13:52 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)

yes...

just the hashlet prime, gray, you can change the pool
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September 04, 2014, 08:54:02 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
you cannot change the pool of a Hashlet Solo, it sticks with the pool you bought it for, in your case Multipool Wafflepool (is the brown one)
newbie
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September 04, 2014, 08:49:37 AM
Multihaslet, maybe brown, i guess!!!!!
legendary
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September 04, 2014, 08:48:02 AM
i purchased yesterday a hashlet for 5 megahash, i cannot change mining pool, it says every time "unable to change mining pool at the moment",

where can i see in which
 pool it is mining?

is there a way to see a projection of payout? or the mined so far?

thank's

what is the color of your hashlet ?

newbie
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September 04, 2014, 08:35:51 AM
i purchased yesterday a hashlet for 5 megahash, i cannot change mining pool, it says every time "unable to change mining pool at the moment",

where can i see in which
 pool it is mining?

is there a way to see a projection of payout? or the mined so far?

thank's
newbie
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Merit: 0
September 04, 2014, 07:50:36 AM
Updated:

Just got first payout:

25 Mh x 0.00062926 would be 0.01573; however my payout was .0100 @ 9:16 am EST
Did not see mention of fees.

Not much transparency in how payouts are made. I understand each Mh has a fee of 0.08 for a total of $2 in my case per day. But again I cannot see any detailed break down from the dashboard.


Still waiting for my payout it's been over 24hrs...  From my understanding. Payouts start around 8 EST up to about 12 EST. Will update once I see a payout.

BTW I purchased zen solo; has a payout of about 0.00062926 according to their site. It's the highest for the different hashlets.

newbie
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September 04, 2014, 05:32:31 AM
So the only benefit for the Hashlet Prime is the fact you can change pools and they "might" introduce new algorithms?

Did everyone who bought the standard Hashlet get upgraded to a Prime? If so, it really makes me think it's not worth the money. To go from $16 to $40 for no reason..

Yes everyone who had the standard hashlet before the new ones came along got their hashlets upgraded to Prime.

I do wonder the same although we could all get surprised in the coming days, as there must be a good reason why it is more expensive compared to a zen hashlet.

It makes no sense at the moment, as the zen pool is the most profitable pool anyway, so why would you want to switch it to anything else.

Exactly, I want to buy but I feel like I'm being ripped :/

Should I buy a zen, prime or just buy more BTC? I was gonna do it for a bit of a hobby/laugh to be honest as I used to mine but have nothing to "keep and eye on" these days.

If I where to get some more Hashlets today I would probably go for the ZenHashlet Solo rather than shelling out for a Prime. As you said above, the price diff between the two is too big right now. However that being said, when we get to find out what is planned for the Primes (scrypt-n mining is rumored), perhaps they will be a better alternative later on. But paying 2x for a Prime compared to a Zen Solo is speculating that something better is to come.

If you want Primes but don't wish to pay full price, try the marketplace section of hashtalk.org There are quite a few for sale, including my own Smiley The going rate seems to about $27 per MH.
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