Topic: GazetaBitcoin and his shenanigans. - page 2. (Read 1118 times)

We need to invent a little box that plugs into a USB port, that can send a signal to nearby phones to deactivate their cameras.  Then we need to write a virus that can bypass HTML safeguards, and all done!

That's a terrible idea, why would you delete PMs just because someone might publish them, like how often does this happen? is it even bad enough? most others would prefer PMs to stay there, I do some business on the forum and my PMs have some order details either me selling or buying something from other forum members, while I do keep all this info somewhere else "safer", I would like for them to stay there just in case something goes wrong both parties could go back and check since none of us can change the content of the messages (except the Admins obviously).


There is no such thing, you can't control people's hardware, they could always take screenshots, and videos, doesn't matter how hard you try to restrict that on a software level, they could always just use another phone to take a picture.

There is no point in automatically deleting them messages, besides forum's PMs aren't exactly private, they are sent in plain text, Cloudflare sees them, the receiver's email provider sees them, the forum admins do, and moderators can "if PMs are reported", also god knows if other devs who maintain the forum code (if they exist) can also see them.

It's fine to request an encrypted PM system just to stop those parties from viewing your PMs.

Of course, regardless of these messages not being exactly private, I still think it's wrong to publish them unless there is a strong purpose and that would be person A claiming that person B said something to or about them in a PM, person B denies that and asks person A to prove it, Person A is left with no other option.

In this incident, Royse could have said "GazetaBitcoin is PMing my clients and making x claims about me", without revealing the whole content like this, I also think GazetaBitcoin's PM to Royse's client is wrong, he has the right to complain to that client for sharing the message with Royse, but the accusation in the PM makes it seem so his goal is just to stop the client from doing business with Royse.

I now wonder, what started all of this between the two of you? I know that you two are reasonable folks, neither of you is a proven scammer or a troll, and neither of you used the trust system to punish the other person, so was it worth it to go this far? and how far are you willing to drag each other into this? I don't think any of you would manage to "destroy" the other person's reputation with all of this, you are probably just going to make things worse for both of you, maybe it's about time for peace talks?

In this instance you can't know who will and will not publish a private message, you just trust that experienced members will know better and will keep discussions private, between the parties involved in it.

This will not still count as proof enough cause the public cannot verify the content of the private message.

If you are worried that what you send to someone might be published, maybe you shouldn't send it? I agree that royse should not have published the pm conversation and maybe the whole matter should have been handled privately. There are some instances where publishing a pm would be considered ok, but that's usually going to involve outing a scammer.

This all looks like attempts to drown each other in each subsequent new topic, arguing with new evidence of the opponent’s dishonesty. This one looks like two rams with their horns facing each other on a bridge. Don't be offended for this comparison. The question is how long will this hostility and attempts to harm each other continue? Maybe we should concentrate on something useful and constructive, huh?

You made an interesting observation. Strong people have something to do and don't get down on all fours and bark back at dogs when they bark at them. Such an allegory. Worry is already an indicator of weakness.

PM burn after reading! It's time to ask Theymos to add a new function to the forum - as soon as the PM is opened, users will have 30 seconds to read it, after which the it will be automatically deleted. Of course, without the ability to take screenshots with third-party apps.

That would be a great feature to add to the forum, with end-to-end encryption so Cloudflare can't read it anymore. But it won't stop people from screenshotting and still posting it.

Pst, madam, are you for real? Did you even read the PM in detail and completely? GB is calling Royse a scammer with 2 scam projects including sinbad campaign, so one has to wonder, are all their accusations like that? If you refuse to spend sanctioned funds to pay participants should you be accused of scam? Such a criteria to consider people scammer, should not be tolerated on DT.

But you know, I have a solution for all of that, make GB going through KYC before acting as escrow, other than that, this thread is enough evidence for public view to know who they are dealing with in the future.

@Royse777, has GB abused DT tags? If yes, present them, if not then a reasonable and decent DT should leave him a neutral tag linking to this topic, that's it. Important thing is that he is not a scammer. "yet"

OP, as always, you acted hastily. Yes, maybe you received a PM and realized that there was some kind of fuss going on behind your back. But if you are confident in your abilities, why once again create actions that, in my opinion, are not thoroughly thought out from all points of view? If you can handle your problems on your own, why prove it to everyone? Your clients will always stay with you if they are truly yours.
Once again, about strong people. They will not prove anything to anyone, knowing that they are right. But since you are worried, does that mean your clients may also doubt you?

It's time for everyone to start using private notes, which will be erased after reading.

The problem is, when you broadcast someone's PMs, you cross a red line.

I think it's normal that Gazeta isn't happy about that, and he absolutely has the right to write to whoever he wants, doesn't he?

I am even thinking that Gazeta is pretty cool regarding this ; if someone would publish my PMs, I think I would do a lot of noise about it.

Another new day, another new shenanigan. Grabbing my popcorn, don't go too fast and make it a 30 page topic immediately.

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Shieet.

The dude who shared gazeta's PM with R777 did it again after receiving another message. There is no privacy in 2023, no need to wait till 2030 I guess.

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All I see here people fighting for money. Campaigners fight basically.



Well, money is worth fighting for.

However, it is uncool to share PM's publicly. If you are going to fight shenanigans, fight them in equal terms. You got private information in a private message? That happens all the time in this forum. But posting it publicly, that takes it to another level. You can do something with the private information (not talking about this particular case, speaking in general) you got from your informer (other than sharing it publicly), just be smart about it.

I don't get it: You complain about people sending a PM to "your clients" (and that's not the first time), but when it's convenient for you, you do the same thing!

I don't think someone on DT should publish other people's PMs.

For the record: publishing a PM is not plagiarism. It could be a copyright violation though.

I would suggest a golden rule of "Keep the PM private, unless one party is misleading about the contents."  If someone is sent an unsolicited message, I feel it's fair game to post such a PM, but not once you have interacted with the person.  Then you refer to the golden rule. 


I agree with this.   People flock to comparison websites.   Don't insult your competition, instead explain how you are better.

Both seem like bad business etiquette. Just my 2 cents.

Good you are not biting, therefore unignored you to respond.

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Going behind people's backs is wrong, if you can do better than your competition, prove it publicly, not via PM, but poaching( I know it's not the correct term to use ) clients is accepted behaviour if it's done fairly and publicly, here is why:

In every business, you have to compete all the time, how do you do that? By providing the better product than the others.
What would be bad is to spread lies and try to defame the competition.

Royse is a cheap manager, instead of advertising his "better" services, he  went the cheapest route possible, but did he accuse the competition of fraud and scam without evidence? If yes, then he's just a scum, if no, then he is just a cheap inexperienced businessman.

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On the other hand, GB bragging about getting merits and recognition from admins, DTs etc, while trying to act as escrow and persuade businesses to hire him for advertising their services is bound for disastrous results, that's called taking advantage, not a trustworthy move IMO.   But that's all, my opinion. How people will react and deal with GB from now on, is up to them.

Don't forget the case about sinbad payment offer to resolve the issue, icopress and GB offering a deal to publicly and blatantly circumvent a US sanction on that escrow address, while royse identity is known, that seems to be a dirty trick to get him in trouble, don't you think?

I'm still confused as to what the etiquette is regarding PMs to someone's clients. It's seems to be either perfectly acceptable or totally inappropriate to send such PMs, seemingly based on a complex formula involving lunar phases and tea leaves. I assume publishing someone's PMs is contingent to similarly elaborate "rules".

I'm not gonna step into this shit without my muck boots on, but I did want to clarify a post I made in another thread:


Seems I was absolutely incorrect about who Royse777 was talking about, and I don't think I had any part in this beef between campaign managers. 

OK, I'll dip my sandals.  PMs ought not be published like this IMO.  That said, I believe I'm guilty of posting some spammers' or shitposters' PMs in the past but I have repented before Buddha, rubbed his belly and rotated them rosary beads clockwise.  I've been washed in the blood of the lamb.  Not a good practice, especially when the PMs are coming from an active, senior member of the forum.

Vod, you know that hasn't happened yet and you've been here longer than most members have been of legal drinking age.  It's doubtful any set of rules is going to be adopted and adhered to.  It's a free-for-all and always has been.

The community needs to come up with a set of rules for escrows and any other person that holds coins intended for others. 
To misuse the coins for any other purpose is embezzlement, and the "legal team" would have mentioned that right away.

 

Look who decided to show up here!

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Publishing PMs to prevent further damage/loss in the future is a really good thing to do, it's called protecting the community, is there anything wrong in those PMs? is it now a bad thing that the whole world can read those PMs? Why is it a bad thing, after all they contain nothing shady, am I right? Of course they contain shenanigans, now everyone involved in such shenanigans will be worried and would try to discredit Royse for publishing them.

But don't be surprised when you go after someone's business, they have all the rights to defend themselves. If PMs contained a personal secret such as a family issue, revealing it would be bad, but those PMs contain no such information. It's good to warn people about it, did you guys see what happened to symm? Now imagine if he could get away with hundreds of thousands of $ if he was acting as escrow. Feel me?

After all, the only conclusion that can be drawn from OP is following conclusion:

GazetaBitcoin's PM is 100% true that a PM sent to Royse777 et al. is not a PrivateMessage anymore:


It's more like a PM (as it will get published in Beginners & Help or Reputation sooner or later).


I don't know if OP noticed that creating this whole new topic here now is basically a confirmation that all of the points what GazetaBitcoin outlined in the PM are true (once again a PM published by Royse777 without any permission and therefore violating GazetaBitcoin's privacy repeatedly):


So, everyone who's sending a PM to Royse777 is at risk to suffer a big breach of privacy, of confidential information that was mutually agreed to be available only for 2 people ("PrivateMessage" but because Royse777 is publishing "P"M's repeatedly (it's not the first time), PrivateMessages will possibly become available for the whole world (8,000,000,000 people instead of 2).
Especially on a Bitcoin forum, such privacy breaches are very concerning.

So after all the topic trying to look like an inspirational one really just had nefarious intentions - to slander icopress and GazetaBitcoin. Is managing campaigns really that boring that attacking other forum members is a side hustle now?

That means that you are someone very important or VIP, and all other members are nobody and they are below you?
Did Gazeta said something that is not true or did he lied about something?
And to be fair you contacted clients from other managers if I remember correctly.

Do you think you deserve to be in DT after all that happened with campaigns you managed?
I guess everyone else is against poor you as you are creating topics like this all the time.
Good luck tilting at windmills.