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Topic: [GBT Protocol - ASIC] - BitArena.net - Mining Pool - Prop - 0% Fees. - page 6. (Read 13902 times)

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legendary
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Ruu \o/
因幡の白兎っていうの神話的作り話からの「いなば」でしょう
hero member
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Nope, not that Inaba.  It does involve hopping though, in a tangential sort of way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hare_of_Inaba

Did I hit the nail? Hare, hop.
legendary
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Nope, not that Inaba.  It does involve hopping though, in a tangential sort of way.
hero member
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Merit: 500
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Thankfully it's still profitable to hop at 52%  Wink

Thankfully if you donated even a tiny 2%, the anti-hop doesn't affect you. Seriously, just set your donation amount over 0% and hop away.
hero member
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And yes "hahahafr" we pay miners tax that ( 0.005 i think you refer ) = total 0% fees.
Thank you.

You misunderstand I think. Or maybe I misunderstand you.

He doesn't mean the fees included of a transaction/withdraw, he means the transaction fees included in a block.

For example, Block 200409 has 0.03045288BTC in fees included in the block from transactions. The actual block is worth 50.03045288BTC, so whoever mined that block was rewarded MORE then 50BTC.


Does your pool included those transaction fees into users payouts? Say a block was 50 + .25 (50 for the block reward, .25 in transaction fees included in the block), does the pool also give that .25 to the miners?
sr. member
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newbie
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I`m waiting to find the first block and pay his share to Inaba Smiley then to deny Pool-hopping, if someones like Inaba leaves i`l split his reward with all active miners. Thinking...
Whatever you do you need to make sure you make it very clear in advance.
What you're describing sounds remarkably similar to slush's score-proportional system, but you need to make it clear in advance.

slush? cool i have no idea... i was just thinking. I`m trying to make it right for all.
legendary
Activity: 889
Merit: 1000
Bitcoin calls me an Orphan
Delay stats? Or better yet.. Do what Bitcoinpool does.

http://bitcoinpool.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103

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If the round duration at the end of the round is greater than 1 hour, each user is looked at to see their 'window of participation', which is the time difference between their first and last submitted shares.

If the time difference between their shares is less than one half of the round duration, their share count will be reduced by 50% and the other half of their shares will be credited to an account setup by the pool operators.

We've monitored this over the past 10 rounds and seen no higher than $0.75 BTC worth of shares removed per round from pool hoppers, and on average, less than 15 accounts are affected per round.

We believe that this will become an effective deterrent for pool hopping, as it will remove the benefit of doing so, add incentive to stay participating in the pool, and at the same time, offer FairUser and Myself a minimal compensation for all of our hard work and late nights.

We considered our options and alternatives with this for quite a long time before deciding to implement it and we believe it is a fair method that allows an easy correctable course of action for each affected miner to take.

Edit: (Posted this below, but added it here too)

I wanted to clarify exactly what this is doing...

As an example, lets say the current round has been going for 2 hours when we solve a block. Our framed window for checking on pool hoppers will be 1 hour.

Each user will then have timestamps taken of their first and last share of the round to see if the difference between them is greater than or equal to 1 hour. If it is not, we will assume they're pool hopping and we will discount their shares by 50%.

It doesn't matter if the user joins 30 minutes into the round and leaves 30 minutes before it ends, as long as they were present for a minimum of 50% of the round duration, they will not be affected.

On average, this affects 5 - 10 users per round.

This does not make shares submitted later in the round have more value.
This does not favor GPU over CPU miners.
This does not affect any user if the round is shorter than 1 hour.
This is not a score-based system.
sr. member
Activity: 336
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I`m waiting to find the first block and pay his share to Inaba Smiley then to deny Pool-hopping, if someones like Inaba leaves i`l split his reward with all active miners. Thinking...
Whatever you do you need to make sure you make it very clear in advance.
What you're describing sounds remarkably similar to slush's score-proportional system, but you need to make it clear in advance.
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
I`m waiting to find the first block and pay his share to Inaba Smiley then to deny Pool-hopping, if someones like Inaba leaves i`l split his reward with all active miners. Thinking...
newbie
Activity: 28
Merit: 0
Shadow383 , pm with exactly what do you need, make me a list and i will make it.
newbie
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With all that's been said I have to say it's a good interface on this pool - if it had any anti-hopper setup at all (even a rudimentary one like deepbit has) then I could see people using it.

It`s planned , calculated , everything.
sr. member
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Merit: 250
He hasnt said anything about shutting down or changing payouts at this current time.. if he wants to change the payout system he will need to create a block and pay out accordingly.. otherwise he can just let the pool run and wait until it finds a block.. thats all.

Wow missing a few hours and there is a mess:). Thanks wknight , no one says about shutting down or scam.. i`m not a scamer and i will never be one. I`m thinking to prep more servers . more functions , ideas.. it will remain for the moment prop and no fees. And yes "hahahafr" we pay miners tax that ( 0.005 i think you refer ) = total 0% fees.

Waiting to find the first block and anyone who mined they will get theirs share/reward.

Thank you.
Up to you  Cheesy
Any chance of json stats?
newbie
Activity: 28
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He hasnt said anything about shutting down or changing payouts at this current time.. if he wants to change the payout system he will need to create a block and pay out accordingly.. otherwise he can just let the pool run and wait until it finds a block.. thats all.

Wow missing a few hours and there is a mess:). Thanks wknight , no one says about shutting down or scam.. i`m not a scamer and i will never be one. I`m thinking to prep more servers . more functions , ideas.. it will remain for the moment prop and no fees. And yes "hahahafr" we pay miners tax that ( 0.005 i think you refer ) = total 0% fees.

Waiting to find the first block and anyone who mined they will get theirs share/reward.

Thank you.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
With all that's been said I have to say it's a good interface on this pool - if it had any anti-hopper setup at all (even a rudimentary one like deepbit has) then I could see people using it.
legendary
Activity: 889
Merit: 1000
Bitcoin calls me an Orphan
He hasnt said anything about shutting down or changing payouts at this current time.. if he wants to change the payout system he will need to create a block and pay out accordingly.. otherwise he can just let the pool run and wait until it finds a block.. thats all.
legendary
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If he closes down and pops back up just to avoid paying out, that's a scam.  If he closes down permanently, well then rock on.
sr. member
Activity: 336
Merit: 250
Right, I've earned nothing and he'll get a scammer tag Smiley  It would be worth a few hours of hashing though.


Why would he? That's the whole point of a prop pool, miners get paid proportionally - if the pool closes down having never found a block then you get your majority share of those zero blocks  Wink
legendary
Activity: 1260
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Right, I've earned nothing and he'll get a scammer tag Smiley  It would be worth a few hours of hashing though.

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