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newbie
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Winklevii are probably foaming at the mouth after seeing these shares go for over double market value.  Probably on the phone with the SEC right now lol.

Well the twins should get off the pot and make this happen. They've been talking about it for what 2 years? If GBTC has been able to find an approval path, what is the holdup for COIN? Worse, it seems that other potential funds have taken a wait and see approach with COIN and decided to let them pave the way and follow. But if COIN does not execute that just stalls the market.

The price action on GBTC is demonstrating the real investment potential that OTC markets could unlock. This needs to happen and faster.

BTW, which brokers have people had success at least putting orders in? I have schwab and they are providing quotes, but are not offering trades yet.

Actually GBTC has taken a path that doesn't require approval. They're claiming an exemption from securities regulation under Reg D which means they're only allowed to take funds directly from accredited investors and the reason the shares are subject to a restricted period.

The holdup for COIN is entirely on SEC's part. The commission has the authority to simply not grant approval for as long as it wants to.
legendary
Activity: 1153
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Winklevii are probably foaming at the mouth after seeing these shares go for over double market value.  Probably on the phone with the SEC right now lol.

Well the twins should get off the pot and make this happen. They've been talking about it for what 2 years? If GBTC has been able to find an approval path, what is the holdup for COIN? Worse, it seems that other potential funds have taken a wait and see approach with COIN and decided to let them pave the way and follow. But if COIN does not execute that just stalls the market.

The price action on GBTC is demonstrating the real investment potential that OTC markets could unlock. This needs to happen and faster.

BTW, which brokers have people had success at least putting orders in? I have schwab and they are providing quotes, but are not offering trades yet.
full member
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But Barry is the one that promised another bubble for the price so I'd think his GBTC would have something to do with it.



Barry knows what he's talking about
hero member
Activity: 667
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That right. Only 100 share transactions or above are shown correct?

Correct,  odd lots aren't shown on the open/close/high  but they do show up on the tape.
sr. member
Activity: 418
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Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...

If first investors starts with arbitrage... GBTC can start it.

Pretty crazy there's a $60 bid right now for 415 shares...

High for the day was $94.86. Can anyone who has access to the entire order book tell us how many shares that was for?

100 @ 94.86$

however the actual high for the day is $175, 5 shares traded at $175 today.





That right. Only 100 share transactions or above are shown correct?
hero member
Activity: 667
Merit: 500
Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...

If first investors starts with arbitrage... GBTC can start it.

Pretty crazy there's a $60 bid right now for 415 shares...

High for the day was $94.86. Can anyone who has access to the entire order book tell us how many shares that was for?

100 @ 94.86$

however the actual high for the day is $175, 5 shares traded at $175 today.
sr. member
Activity: 418
Merit: 250
Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...

If first investors starts with arbitrage... GBTC can start it.

Pretty crazy there's a $60 bid right now for 415 shares...

High for the day was $94.86. Can anyone who has access to the entire order book tell us how many shares that was for?
hero member
Activity: 667
Merit: 500

Lets see how it is in a week.. Any random altcoin generates more of everything just in the first hours, just saying.
Who knows maybe it'll catch up, but the notion that retail investors will be storming into this has been pretty much debunked now.

Sure but any random altcoin has basically infinite supply.   It's just a matter of pumping and dumping that supply.   Here we have the opposite problem.

I see bids (way) over spot,  no reasonable asks in site,  any ask that even comes close to reasonable prices is immediately bought. 

If an ask for say 10,000 shares at $40 came up,  i think it would be bought instantly and would be almost double spot..

Not sure why you think there isn't any interest,  i'd say it says the opposite.





legendary
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This just shows how undervalued bitcoin is.  I guess miners and speculators are happy only getting $236 per coin.  Rather then pulling there coins off the order books and letting the price go up.
hero member
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What if all people who are eligible to sell their shares have sold them?

From @jl2012's tabulation, I would think that almost all existing BIT shares are mature and could be sold by their owners.
hero member
Activity: 994
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Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...

If first investors starts with arbitrage... GBTC can start it.

Pretty crazy there's a $60 bid right now for 415 shares...
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...

If first investors starts with arbitrage... GBTC can start it.
legendary
Activity: 1258
Merit: 1027
But Barry is the one that promised another bubble for the price so I'd think his GBTC would have something to do with it.



Totally agree with Barry, in fact there will be several...

But GBTC will not drive that bubble... COIN might...
legendary
Activity: 3512
Merit: 4557
But Barry is the one that promised another bubble for the price so I'd think his GBTC would have something to do with it.

legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
Winklevii are probably foaming at the mouth after seeing these shares go for over double market value.  Probably on the phone with the SEC right now lol.
legendary
Activity: 1568
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Does anyone know how long it take to receive the cash after you sell your matured shares ?

I believe people in another thread suggested something along the lines of 4 days or so. This could bring us some more money from people selling their shares, and re-buying on the open market a few days later. The only problem with this is, that the volume still isn't really high enough for this to matter!

Well, a few hundreds btc on the bid daily will be very welcome. Probably the volume is going to increase day by day.

What if all people who are eligible to sell their shares have sold them? I don't really see the volume picking up that much, to be honest. We need an ETF that's actually buying coins constantly! GBTC is very good first step, though!
But Barry is the one that promised another bubble for the price so I'd think his GBTC would have something to do with it.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Trust me!
Does anyone know how long it take to receive the cash after you sell your matured shares ?

I believe people in another thread suggested something along the lines of 4 days or so. This could bring us some more money from people selling their shares, and re-buying on the open market a few days later. The only problem with this is, that the volume still isn't really high enough for this to matter!

Well, a few hundreds btc on the bid daily will be very welcome. Probably the volume is going to increase day by day.

What if all people who are eligible to sell their shares have sold them? I don't really see the volume picking up that much, to be honest. We need an ETF that's actually buying coins constantly! GBTC is very good first step, though!
newbie
Activity: 41
Merit: 0
Does anyone know how long it take to receive the cash after you sell your matured shares ?

I believe people in another thread suggested something along the lines of 4 days or so. This could bring us some more money from people selling their shares, and re-buying on the open market a few days later. The only problem with this is, that the volume still isn't really high enough for this to matter!

Well, a few hundreds btc on the bid daily will be very welcome. Probably the volume is going to increase day by day.
legendary
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Merit: 1007
When the Authorized Participant (AP) redeems 100 shares, he gets 10 BTC minus whatever "expenses" the Trust had.  So this is worth doing only if the AP bought the shares from some shareholder for less than the price of 10 BTC. 

Agreed.

Quote from: JorgeStolfi
Conversely, in order to get 100 new shares issued by Greyscale, the AP must give Greyscale 10 BTC.  That is only worth doing if the AP can sell those shares for more than the market price of 10 BTC.

Agreed.

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However, my understanding is that the [AP] must wait a year before selling them.  (Or is the guy who buys from the AP who has to wait?)

Here's what I can find in the GBTC Annual Report (p. 63) about the one-year holding period:

Quote from: GBTC Annual Report
Furthermore, at this time, the Sponsor is not accepting redemption requests from Shareholders. As such, until an active secondary market develops, and a holder has held its Shares for at least one year, or the Trust is permitted to, and does, reinstate a Share redemption program, investors will be unable to (or could be significantly impeded in attempting to) sell or otherwise liquidate investments in the Shares, which could have a material adverse impact on an investment in the Shares.

I understand this to mean shareholders can't presently redeem their shares for bitcoins (or cash) through the trust (but that might change).  To exit their position, they must wait a year and then sell on the OTC market. 

But I'm still unclear on what happens if the AP [Second Market] converts a basket of bitcoins into a basket of shares.  Are we sure the same time restriction applies to the AP?  It would seem the answer is "yes" otherwise I'd expect Second Market to be taking advantage of the arbitrage opportunity. 
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
Trust me!
Does anyone know how long it take to receive the cash after you sell your matured shares ?

I believe people in another thread suggested something along the lines of 4 days or so. This could bring us some more money from people selling their shares, and re-buying on the open market a few days later. The only problem with this is, that the volume still isn't really high enough for this to matter!
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