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legendary
Activity: 3808
Merit: 1723
November 18, 2014, 05:43:24 PM
another 6300+ bought.
All the three big buys since two weeks ago have some in common.
Every buy is about $2.5 M
all happen at Tuesday

Where do you see 6300+ bought today?

Maybe he is talking about the Asian exchanges which usually fake their volume
legendary
Activity: 1442
Merit: 1186
November 18, 2014, 05:35:02 PM
another 6300+ bought.
All the three big buys since two weeks ago have some in common.
Every buy is about $2.5 M
all happen at Tuesday

Where do you see 6300+ bought today?
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
November 18, 2014, 05:22:52 PM
another 6300+ bought.
All the three big buys since two weeks ago have some in common.
Every buy is about $2.5 M
all happen at Tuesday

jl2012... Waiting for you to confirm this  Grin
newbie
Activity: 20
Merit: 0
November 18, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
another 6300+ bought.
All the three big buys since two weeks ago have some in common.
Every buy is about $2.5 M
all happen at Tuesday
legendary
Activity: 889
Merit: 1013
November 18, 2014, 04:33:20 PM
I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.
+1
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
November 18, 2014, 01:05:01 PM
The large buys may be related to the fact that you can now invest through a retirement account (if you are accredited):

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"Investing in bitcoin through a retirement account is now possible with the Bitcoin Investment Trust as several self-directed account providers now enable accredited investors to invest in the BIT through their IRAs or 401ks. Account providers include Millennium Trust Company, The Entrust Group, among others."
legendary
Activity: 1792
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November 18, 2014, 07:38:45 AM
No change. Update later
hero member
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November 17, 2014, 06:32:43 AM
maybe the wrong place to say it but I assume we see another magintude the second we have good way for common investors to invest in bitcoin.

I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.

The challenge will be how to let the masses know that it's a good idea for Average Joe to hold some bitcoins in an IRA, and (once the EFT exists) that it's easy to do.  I don't expect to see the mainstream media tripping over themselves giving this kind of investment advice!

The thing that's great about the SecondMarket BIT is that there's a sales force actually talking to rich people, convincing them to invest in Bitcoin.  Will the ETF have a sales force?  I expect the Winklevi will get some media splash if and when COIN goes live, but that will only last for a few weeks.  Once the price falls from the next peak, who's going to be pushing Bitcoin then?  Hopefully, SecondMarket BIT will still be doing that!

A great sales tactic might be to say, remember when I suggested last year that you buy our Bitcoin fund, and you weren't interested?  Well it's 10 times the price now, and I expect it to continue to do extremely well.  You should listen to me this time!

Of course, for that to work, they have to be pushing it now!  And the numbers suggest that they haven't been selling much lately.

they will probably not need some huge marketing campaign - they will simply explain aka enlighten these people what bitcoin really is. the learning curve is in my opinion one of the greatest barriers to entry. the moment an etf starts they have a monetary incentive to produce high quality campaigns.

I also do not think it will be average joe buying first in but rich to very rich people - their perspective is to stay as rich as they are know. risto ones put it this way - if you are rich you are better off having some bitcoin than not having some bitcoin. I think he is right.
sr. member
Activity: 442
Merit: 250
November 15, 2014, 09:47:43 AM
04 Nov    + 7,629 BTC   
11 Nov    + 6,847 BTC
18 Nov   another 7K ?


Since the price is also back to sub 390$ I really wouldn't be surprised to see another big buy  Smiley
hero member
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Merit: 1000
Who's there?
November 14, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
04 Nov    + 7,629 BTC   
11 Nov    + 6,847 BTC
18 Nov   another 7K ?
legendary
Activity: 3892
Merit: 11105
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
November 14, 2014, 12:59:43 PM
maybe the wrong place to say it but I assume we see another magintude the second we have good way for common investors to invest in bitcoin.

I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.

The challenge will be how to let the masses know that it's a good idea for Average Joe to hold some bitcoins in an IRA, and (once the EFT exists) that it's easy to do.  I don't expect to see the mainstream media tripping over themselves giving this kind of investment advice!

The thing that's great about the SecondMarket BIT is that there's a sales force actually talking to rich people, convincing them to invest in Bitcoin.  Will the ETF have a sales force?  I expect the Winklevi will get some media splash if and when COIN goes live, but that will only last for a few weeks.  Once the price falls from the next peak, who's going to be pushing Bitcoin then?  Hopefully, SecondMarket BIT will still be doing that!

A great sales tactic might be to say, remember when I suggested last year that you buy our Bitcoin fund, and you weren't interested?  Well it's 10 times the price now, and I expect it to continue to do extremely well.  You should listen to me this time!

Of course, for that to work, they have to be pushing it now!  And the numbers suggest that they haven't been selling much lately.

I would imagine the "sales force" for the ETF will be every broker on the planet  Wink


AGREED.  The sales force for BTC is much greater than any one particular entity or one particular set of people who are affiliated with one entity.  Surely, Second Market will do its part, but we also have major players like Coinbase and Bitpay and Circle and others who are engaged in ongoing evangelizing of bitcoin.  Prices may be going up and down and up and down... but when they start going up again, that dynamic is going to cause quite a bit of evangelizing and actual proof of money-making potential (and value appreciation potential)... and even anticipation that the next bubble is NOT the last bubble which many of us who are already familiar with BTC have fairly decent inclinations to understand that BTC likely has at least a couple more 5-10x bubbles in it, and a $1trillion dollar market cap is NOT outlandish to anticipate given the many areas in which BTC will be able to serve to be able to have decent odds of achieving that kind of market cap within the next 3 to 10 years.. and if it is NOT BTC then there will be some similar crypto in which BTC holders would be able to transition into.


legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1040
November 14, 2014, 12:30:09 PM
maybe the wrong place to say it but I assume we see another magintude the second we have good way for common investors to invest in bitcoin.

I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.

The challenge will be how to let the masses know that it's a good idea for Average Joe to hold some bitcoins in an IRA, and (once the EFT exists) that it's easy to do.  I don't expect to see the mainstream media tripping over themselves giving this kind of investment advice!

The thing that's great about the SecondMarket BIT is that there's a sales force actually talking to rich people, convincing them to invest in Bitcoin.  Will the ETF have a sales force?  I expect the Winklevi will get some media splash if and when COIN goes live, but that will only last for a few weeks.  Once the price falls from the next peak, who's going to be pushing Bitcoin then?  Hopefully, SecondMarket BIT will still be doing that!

A great sales tactic might be to say, remember when I suggested last year that you buy our Bitcoin fund, and you weren't interested?  Well it's 10 times the price now, and I expect it to continue to do extremely well.  You should listen to me this time!

Of course, for that to work, they have to be pushing it now!  And the numbers suggest that they haven't been selling much lately.

I would imagine the "sales force" for the ETF will be every broker on the planet  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 263
Merit: 250
November 14, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
maybe the wrong place to say it but I assume we see another magintude the second we have good way for common investors to invest in bitcoin.

I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.

The challenge will be how to let the masses know that it's a good idea for Average Joe to hold some bitcoins in an IRA, and (once the EFT exists) that it's easy to do.  I don't expect to see the mainstream media tripping over themselves giving this kind of investment advice!

The thing that's great about the SecondMarket BIT is that there's a sales force actually talking to rich people, convincing them to invest in Bitcoin.  Will the ETF have a sales force?  I expect the Winklevi will get some media splash if and when COIN goes live, but that will only last for a few weeks.  Once the price falls from the next peak, who's going to be pushing Bitcoin then?  Hopefully, SecondMarket BIT will still be doing that!

A great sales tactic might be to say, remember when I suggested last year that you buy our Bitcoin fund, and you weren't interested?  Well it's 10 times the price now, and I expect it to continue to do extremely well.  You should listen to me this time!

Of course, for that to work, they have to be pushing it now!  And the numbers suggest that they haven't been selling much lately.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
November 14, 2014, 07:28:47 AM
maybe the wrong place to say it but I assume we see another magintude the second we have good way for common investors to invest in bitcoin.

I think most people here completely underestimate how much money some insitutions and private persons have.
sr. member
Activity: 323
Merit: 251
November 13, 2014, 06:26:40 PM
they are massively collecting - why?
I always assume these guys have better information than we do but maybe they only buy because stuff is cheap
Aren't they just basically a means for wealthy investors to get in? Perhaps we're starting to see the beginning of more rich folks transferring wealth into BTC.

The last two buys are deduced from changes in the published total USD value of the bitcoins owned by the fund (TAV  column; "Net Assets" item in their homepage) and the current bitcoin price.  Each estimated buy corresponds, withing the range of error, to a  round 2.5 million USD of investment by clients.  The round numbers and isolated increases may indicate that a single client made both investments. 
I also noticed that both of the buys were done on a Tuesday. So this is possibly one person/entity who is spreading out his buys in order to not raise the price to quickly. So the question is whether he is done or not.
FNG
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
November 13, 2014, 10:25:57 AM
they are massively collecting - why?
I always assume these guys have better information than we do but maybe they only buy because stuff is cheap
Aren't they just basically a means for wealthy investors to get in? Perhaps we're starting to see the beginning of more rich folks transferring wealth into BTC.

The last two buys are deduced from changes in the published total USD value of the bitcoins owned by the fund (TAV  column; "Net Assets" item in their homepage) and the current bitcoin price.  Each estimated buy corresponds, withing the range of error, to a  round 2.5 million USD of investment by clients.  The round numbers and isolated increases may indicate that a single client made both investments. 

Yes, I believe this has been either one or 2 large buyers. That's what this vehicle is for and that's quite exciting Smiley

Indeed. Because the type of people who invest in secondmarket have deep pocket. In this ridiculously thin market a couple of dozen people with deep pockets competing for coins drive it stratospheric.
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125
November 13, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
they are massively collecting - why?
I always assume these guys have better information than we do but maybe they only buy because stuff is cheap
Aren't they just basically a means for wealthy investors to get in? Perhaps we're starting to see the beginning of more rich folks transferring wealth into BTC.

The last two buys are deduced from changes in the published total USD value of the bitcoins owned by the fund (TAV  column; "Net Assets" item in their homepage) and the current bitcoin price.  Each estimated buy corresponds, withing the range of error, to a  round 2.5 million USD of investment by clients.  The round numbers and isolated increases may indicate that a single client made both investments. 

Yes, I believe this has been either one or 2 large buyers. That's what this vehicle is for and that's quite exciting Smiley
hero member
Activity: 910
Merit: 1003
November 13, 2014, 10:13:34 AM
they are massively collecting - why?
I always assume these guys have better information than we do but maybe they only buy because stuff is cheap
Aren't they just basically a means for wealthy investors to get in? Perhaps we're starting to see the beginning of more rich folks transferring wealth into BTC.

The last two buys are deduced from changes in the published total USD value of the bitcoins owned by the fund (TAV  column; "Net Assets" item in their homepage) and the current bitcoin price.  Each estimated buy corresponds, withing the range of error, to a  round 2.5 million USD of investment by clients.  The round numbers and isolated increases may indicate that a single client made both investments. 
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1002
November 13, 2014, 09:31:15 AM
If the data is accurate, 6847 Bitcoin was bought yesterday

(There was a mistake in my previous update)

Things are starting to heat up again!

any info why?

I do understand little of the legal stuff going on in the usa - but did they also plan to start an etf? I remember something like that.

That ETF is not even happening in its current form... everyone here on wall st already knows that

Oh great exploiter of the masses, please tell us why we can not have an ETF?  Would it interfere with your fleecing process?
legendary
Activity: 2002
Merit: 1040
November 13, 2014, 09:21:24 AM
they are massively collecting - why?

I always assume these guys have better information than we do but maybe they only buy because stuff is cheap

Aren't they just basically a means for wealthy investors to get in? Perhaps we're starting to see the beginning of more rich folks transferring wealth into BTC.
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