Germany DFB Cup 2023/2024 - Discussion and Prediction

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Quote from: marcous on May 26, 2024, 09:39:01 AM

Quote from: cygan on May 26, 2024, 02:23:08 AM

bayer leverkusen completed the national double yesterday!
the 'werkself' under coach Xabi Alonso won the dfb-cup final 1-0 against 2. bundesliga club 1. fc kaiserslautern despite being outnumbered for 45 minutes (yellow-red card for O. Kossounou in the 44th minute).
the decisive goal was scored by G. Xhaka (16th minute)

Just winning one trophy by going undefeated is extraordinary, Leverkusen even won two domestic trophies in the same way, that is a very prestigious history. The DFB Pokal trophy completes Leverkusen impressive season, even though their failure in the Europa League was very disappointing, we still have to acknowledge the greatness of Xabi fleet this season. Xabi cold hands worked beyond everyone predictions, Leverkusen has now changed the history of the club.

Xhaka is one of the players who plays an important role in the Leverkusen squad this season, he is an extension of all Xabi instructions on the pitch, a link between the lines and can also score important goals, as he showed in the DFB Pokal final. Xhaka presence in midfield is very influential, his signing from Arsenal last summer was the best investment Leverkusen has ever made.

The DFB Pokal trophy completed Leverkusen's impressive season, although their failure in the Europa League was disappointing, but it must be admitted that with the cold hands of Xabi Alonso Leverkusen have made history in the German League, going undefeated in the Bundesliga and winning the DFB. The Pokal is proof that Xabi Alonso is a talented coach.
Xabi Alonso's intelligence in buying Xhaka for the midfield was the right choice, and the only goal in last night's DFB final was proof that Xhaka is a great player.
Overall, the combination of Xabi Alonso's brilliant strategy and the brilliant performance of the players, especially Granit Xhaka, has taken Bayer Leverkusen to a higher level and left an unforgettable mark in the club's history.

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Quote from: cygan on May 26, 2024, 02:23:08 AM

bayer leverkusen completed the national double yesterday!
the 'werkself' under coach Xabi Alonso won the dfb-cup final 1-0 against 2. bundesliga club 1. fc kaiserslautern despite being outnumbered for 45 minutes (yellow-red card for O. Kossounou in the 44th minute).
the decisive goal was scored by G. Xhaka (16th minute)

Just winning one trophy by going undefeated is extraordinary, Leverkusen even won two domestic trophies in the same way, that is a very prestigious history. The DFB Pokal trophy completes Leverkusen impressive season, even though their failure in the Europa League was very disappointing, we still have to acknowledge the greatness of Xabi fleet this season. Xabi cold hands worked beyond everyone predictions, Leverkusen has now changed the history of the club.

Xhaka is one of the players who plays an important role in the Leverkusen squad this season, he is an extension of all Xabi instructions on the pitch, a link between the lines and can also score important goals, as he showed in the DFB Pokal final. Xhaka presence in midfield is very influential, his signing from Arsenal last summer was the best investment Leverkusen has ever made.

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bayer leverkusen completed the national double yesterday!
the 'werkself' under coach Xabi Alonso won the dfb-cup final 1-0 against 2. bundesliga club 1. fc kaiserslautern despite being outnumbered for 45 minutes (yellow-red card for O. Kossounou in the 44th minute).
the decisive goal was scored by G. Xhaka (16th minute)

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It's final day today. Both teams are ready to clash in Berlin.
Obviously Leverkusen is a HUGE underdog today, saw odds of 19:1 for Kaiserslautern to win after 90 minutes and up to 12:1 to lift the trophy.
That was some days ago, maybe now it's even higher.

Since Leverkusen's "invincible streak" has come to an end after losing to Bergamo some days ago there might be a glimmer of hope for kaiserlautern that the German champs are getting nervous. Of course their chances are still tiny but imagine the game staying close until the like 70h minute or something, and then suddenly Kaiserlautern is running a counter attack and score. What fun would that be huh!

But in reality it might so happen that Leverkusen scores twice in the first 20min and the game is over early. Anything is possible but after this week in my opinion the chances for Kaiserslautern have gone from 5% to 10%.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on April 26, 2024, 01:34:12 AM

You are right and it is very clear that Kaiserslautern performance in Bundesliga 2 and the DFB Cup is very different, here Kaiserslautern has really succeeded in beating many teams that are far above them to be able to enter the final like now.
For their Bundesliga 2 position, they are really uncomfortable because there is pressure to be able to complete it to have much better position with the remaining matches.
This is clearly not an easy thing for Kaiserslautern but on the other hand they also have to prepare their performance for the final match, even though it is impossible for Kaiserslautern to beat Leverkusen but at least they are strong team here.

Who knows what will happen later for Kaiserslautern in Bundesliga 2 but the important preparation is this final match and they must be able to focus, at least to be able to provide tough resistance to Leverkusen.

Trust me, the German cup final is not in their minds at the moment, at least the coach will tell them not not have it on their mind.
These upcoming 4 games in the 2nd Bundesliga are WAY more important than this final.
Sure, the cup is prestigious, and also comes with a cash prize, but being relegated to the 3rd league would cost Kaiserslautern MUCH more money than what they will get for a cup win. Once you go down it's hard to get back up immediately cause many player's contract isn't for the 3rd league. So there will be a rebuilt with cheaper players because of less TV earnings, less advertisement money and so on.

And let's be fair, their chances of winning are so small, it would be wise to focus 100% on the league games before having their mind anywhere else. Doesn't mean they can't win, 1% chance is still a chance. Grin

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Kaiserslautern vs Leverkusen

This is the final that all German football fans have been waiting for because the DFB Cup is one of the most important competitions besides the Bundesliga.
Leverkusen managed to qualify for the final after beating Fortuna Dusseldorf and Kaiserslautern managed to qualify for the final after beating Saarbrucken and in this final it was clear that Leverkusen was the favorite to win the DFB Cup title.
Kaiserslautern itself is team that is currently playing in the Bundesliga 2 competition and they are one of the team in the lower level, but their performance in this competition is quite interesting and not as bad as when they were in Bundesliga 2.
This is match that is certainly easy for Leverkusen as Bundesliga champions this season, it is certain that Kaiserslautern will not be able to put up quite fierce fight considering that Leverkusen is still in stable condition.

The performance from Kaiserslautern in Bundesliga 2 is completely different than in the DFB Cup. That is why the saying goes: the cup has its own laws. Kaiserslautern are fighting against relegation in Bundesliga 2. They are at place 17 and there are still 4 match days to go. But they can still make it.
The final between Leverkusen and Kaiserslautern is at 25 May 2024 in Berlin. The Bundesliga 1 and 2 season will already be over then. If Kaiserslautern are not relegated then, they could play with a completely different mentality and make it exciting again.
But Leverkusen are the clear favourites in this final.

You are right and it is very clear that Kaiserslautern performance in Bundesliga 2 and the DFB Cup is very different, here Kaiserslautern has really succeeded in beating many teams that are far above them to be able to enter the final like now.
For their Bundesliga 2 position, they are really uncomfortable because there is pressure to be able to complete it to have much better position with the remaining matches.
This is clearly not an easy thing for Kaiserslautern but on the other hand they also have to prepare their performance for the final match, even though it is impossible for Kaiserslautern to beat Leverkusen but at least they are strong team here.

Who knows what will happen later for Kaiserslautern in Bundesliga 2 but the important preparation is this final match and they must be able to focus, at least to be able to provide tough resistance to Leverkusen.

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Quote from: Soonandwaite on April 24, 2024, 04:38:00 AM

i myself expected leverkusen to finish 4th or 5th in the bundesliga at the end of the season . Huh

but ... i was wrong

I do not think anyone expected the progress so far. After Xabi Alonso started at Leverkusen, they were at place 17 in the table. At the end of that season they were at place 6 and that was already a great achievement. This season, however, they have shown right from the start that they want and can do more. Xabi and the whole team have done a really great job. But they are still hungry for much more.

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i am absolutely sure that leverkusen will win the dfb cup and maybe win the third cup this year. the final in berlin will take place on 25 may.
but on 22 may there is also the final of the europa league in the Dublin Arena in the Republic of Ireland. maybe leverkusen can still win both cups.
then leverkusen would have won 3 cups this season. nobody would have expected that before the season !

i myself expected leverkusen to finish 4th or 5th in the bundesliga at the end of the season . Huh

but ... i was wrong

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Quote from: Hirose UK on April 23, 2024, 11:58:27 PM

Kaiserslautern vs Leverkusen

This is the final that all German football fans have been waiting for because the DFB Cup is one of the most important competitions besides the Bundesliga.
Leverkusen managed to qualify for the final after beating Fortuna Dusseldorf and Kaiserslautern managed to qualify for the final after beating Saarbrucken and in this final it was clear that Leverkusen was the favorite to win the DFB Cup title.
Kaiserslautern itself is team that is currently playing in the Bundesliga 2 competition and they are one of the team in the lower level, but their performance in this competition is quite interesting and not as bad as when they were in Bundesliga 2.
This is match that is certainly easy for Leverkusen as Bundesliga champions this season, it is certain that Kaiserslautern will not be able to put up quite fierce fight considering that Leverkusen is still in stable condition.

The performance from Kaiserslautern in Bundesliga 2 is completely different than in the DFB Cup. That is why the saying goes: the cup has its own laws. Kaiserslautern are fighting against relegation in Bundesliga 2. They are at place 17 and there are still 4 match days to go. But they can still make it.
The final between Leverkusen and Kaiserslautern is at 25 May 2024 in Berlin. The Bundesliga 1 and 2 season will already be over then. If Kaiserslautern are not relegated then, they could play with a completely different mentality and make it exciting again.
But Leverkusen are the clear favourites in this final.

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Kaiserslautern vs Leverkusen

This is the final that all German football fans have been waiting for because the DFB Cup is one of the most important competitions besides the Bundesliga.
Leverkusen managed to qualify for the final after beating Fortuna Dusseldorf and Kaiserslautern managed to qualify for the final after beating Saarbrucken and in this final it was clear that Leverkusen was the favorite to win the DFB Cup title.
Kaiserslautern itself is team that is currently playing in the Bundesliga 2 competition and they are one of the team in the lower level, but their performance in this competition is quite interesting and not as bad as when they were in Bundesliga 2.
This is match that is certainly easy for Leverkusen as Bundesliga champions this season, it is certain that Kaiserslautern will not be able to put up quite fierce fight considering that Leverkusen is still in stable condition.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on April 03, 2024, 02:22:06 PM

Leverkusen finished the game already in 20 minutes, 2-0. Tongue

Frimpong continues to shine with a goal here also. He is on the radar of big teams this summer so it won't be easy for Leverkusen to keep him.

This start to the game isn't surprising though. All of us must have expected to see a clear win by Leverkusen here. Dusseldorf aren't even close to a team that can stop Leverkusen. Especially where there is a title chance for Leverkusen.

While making the post Leverkusen scored another, 3-0. Grin

All of big teams in the cup have been eliminated which is making things really easy for Leverkusen to lift the trophy.

Well, it was the expected dominance they have shown all season..
For some reason I thought there might be a tiny chance for DD but this was out of the window real quick.

So not only can they now win their first German championship but also the first "double". Those 2 are pretty much set in stone I would say.
Actually I just remembered they are also still in the Europa league, haha. So the triple is still in play, wow. Facing West Ham in the quarter finals seems more than doable as well.

Hopefully this team for the most part stays together, Alonso stating he will stay is already a first big step towards that.

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Quote from: Slow death on April 03, 2024, 06:17:22 AM

Bayer 04 Leverkusen - Fortuna Dusseldorf

Facing a club whose caste is below them does not make Xabi relax his performance and indeed the difference looks very large, especially with the possession of the ball and the opportunities owned, so indeed this is a match that is not balanced because Leverkusen dominates too much in this match.
The 3-0 score has been created at this time even though the match has only been running for 40 minutes of the first half so in this case I think this has become an advantage for Leverkusen and indeed at this time they are already in the final even though the match still leaves quite a lot of time.

Currently the final is waiting for Kaiserslautern, which is also one of the clubs in the second caste of the Bundesliga and currently they are having a little trouble in domestic competitions. by looking at today's match which is most likely for Leverkusen to be in the final and I think the DFB champions can also be achieved and it is possible for them to marry the DFB with the Bundesliga simultaneously now. It remains to be seen whether the Europa League will go well or not because if it does then it's definitely a very impressive season for Xabi.

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Leverkusen finished the game already in 20 minutes, 2-0. Tongue

Frimpong continues to shine with a goal here also. He is on the radar of big teams this summer so it won't be easy for Leverkusen to keep him.

This start to the game isn't surprising though. All of us must have expected to see a clear win by Leverkusen here. Dusseldorf aren't even close to a team that can stop Leverkusen. Especially where there is a title chance for Leverkusen.

While making the post Leverkusen scored another, 3-0. Grin

All of big teams in the cup have been eliminated which is making things really easy for Leverkusen to lift the trophy.

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Quote from: emrecemsan on April 03, 2024, 04:16:23 AM

Congrats to Kaiserslautern on reaching the final phase! However I'm afraid this is most probably the end of the road for them. Sad

It is still a great achievement to reach this phase though.

Today Leverkusen will finish off Dusseldorf as long as we don't come across a huge surprise. Xabi Alonso is hungry for titles this season which is obvious. I don't expect a big rotation here even though they have a Bundesliga match in a couple of days. They are already comfortable there. I'm just expecting Leverkusen to reach final and win the DFB Pokal trophy after that. I already see 2 trophies in hand for Xabi Alonso together with the Bundesliga one.

After a long journey this season Kaiserslautern has been able to reach the final, currently they are just waiting for the winner between Leverkusen and Dusseldorf to be their opponent in the final later, this season is indeed quite surprising for us when we see many Bundesliga teams who actually have to fall quickly and only leave Leverkusen so far in the semifinals with 3 team teams bundesliga 2, I think in today's match we will all certainly favour Leverkusen as the winner to reach the final.

Kaiserslautern, who has performed quite poorly in the league this season but can be quite consistent in the dfb pokal, no one even expected that Kaiserslautern, who is in the relegation zone of the bundesliga 2, was actually able to reach the finals this season, I think maybe their journey will not end happily when they have to face Leverkusen, which is currently unbeaten in the league, In addition, even if it is possible that Leverkusen fails to beat Dusseldorf in the semi-finals, of course Dusseldorf will still be a difficult opponent to beat by Kaiserslautern, so I think at this time Kaiserslautern is between two big rocks that will indeed be ready to destroy Kaiserslautern in the final.

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Bayer 04 Leverkusen - Fortuna Dusseldorf

Honestly I expected to see at least odds of 1.30 in this game, I know that Leverkusen is a big team, and a team that hasn't lost in any game in the league yet, and a team that is very close to becoming champion. but the bundesliga 2. but Dusseldorf is not a very weak team, despite playing in the bundesliga 2, they have been a team with good results in the bundesliga 2, they are currently in position number 3 and still have a chance of being promoted to the bundesliga. That's why in my opinion this game should have at least odds of 1.30 or more

I made my selection of teams for my multibet bet and placed this game, even with this current odds of 1.17, it is low odds but as my muitibet bet has many teams so the odds value became high, but it could have been higher if odds in favor of Leverkusen were 1.30. These cup games always make me cautious, because I've seen good teams being eliminated with weak teams in cup games.

Levekusen has the following players injured: Arthur, Victor Boniface, Exequiel Palacios

Fortuna Dusseldorf has the following players injured: Daniel Bunk, Nicolas Gavory

my guess is that leverkusen will win this game and with that they will find another weak opponent in the final, which in position 16 in bundesliga 2, leverkusen has a good chance of winning this season: bundesliga and DFB Cup and the european league

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Quote from: emrecemsan on April 03, 2024, 04:16:23 AM

Today Leverkusen will finish off Dusseldorf as long as we don't come across a huge surprise. Xabi Alonso is hungry for titles this season which is obvious. I don't expect a big rotation here even though they have a Bundesliga match in a couple of days. They are already comfortable there. I'm just expecting Leverkusen to reach final and win the DFB Pokal trophy after that. I already see 2 trophies in hand for Xabi Alonso together with the Bundesliga one.

Leverkusen are the favorite in this match and also in the final. Unless something unforeseen happens, they will end the season with two titles. I am curious to see how Düsseldorf will play and whether they will be a difficult opponent. Will they play with a lot of pressure from the start on or will they concentrate for on the defence and waiting for chances?
Both teams will take a lot of momentum from their last game and Düsseldorf are on their way to being promoted to Bundesliga 1. They have nothing to hide. But the difference between the two teams will still be visible.

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Congrats to Kaiserslautern on reaching the final phase! However I'm afraid this is most probably the end of the road for them. Sad

It is still a great achievement to reach this phase though.

Today Leverkusen will finish off Dusseldorf as long as we don't come across a huge surprise. Xabi Alonso is hungry for titles this season which is obvious. I don't expect a big rotation here even though they have a Bundesliga match in a couple of days. They are already comfortable there. I'm just expecting Leverkusen to reach final and win the DFB Pokal trophy after that. I already see 2 trophies in hand for Xabi Alonso together with the Bundesliga one.

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Congratulations to Kaiserslautern and Congratulations to Saarbrücken. Due to two mistakes from Saarbrücken in the second half Kaiserslautern scored two goals. Saarbrücken were more active in the first half and they also defended very well. Kaiserslautern had very few chances. Even after the 1:0 Saarbrücken were better, but after the 2:0 it was clear that Saarbrücken would have no chance any more.

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DFB Pokal Semifinal : FC Saarbrücken vs FC Kaiserslautern

The team full of surprises FC Saarbrücken will play in the first match of the DFB Pokal Cup semi-final against FC Kaiserslautern which is Bundesliga 2 team and interested to see will the Bundesliga 3 teams FC Saarbrücken will lead to final and make history as the first third level competition teams success managing until final round. So interested with FC Saarbrücken achievement lead until semifinal round because success defeating all Bundesliga teams participants since second round beaten Bayern Munich, on 16 of round defeating Frankfurt until at the quarter final round defeating Gladbach.
Seems FC Saarbrücken not get problem since second round until quarter final eliminating Bundesliga team and easily for eliminating the Bundesliga 2 teams FC Kaiserslautern on semifinal round.

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Quote from: bct_ail on April 02, 2024, 02:00:43 AM

The first semi-final of the DFB Cup begins today. Saarbrücken and Kaiserslautern are the first teams to fight for the place in the final. For Saarbrücken it is the first match after the Easter break. The last game was 2 1/1 weeks ago. They are at place 11 in League 3 and will neither be relegated nor promoted. Kaiserslautern already played at the weekend and lost the game. They are at palce 16 in Bundesliga 2 and therefore at a relegation place. But the DFB Cup has it own laws and the performance in the league does not matter often.

Well normally I would be for Saarbrücken since I am always siding with the "underdog" but since my father in law is a big time Kaiserslautern supporter that's where my hope will go, haha.
Saarbrücken had an amazing run, kicking out 1. devision teams back to back to back is already a big accomplishment, but Bayern Munich being one of these teams is even more amazing.

I guess we all expect the other match to show Leverkusen as the winner. If they can manage this they will not only be German league champions for the very first time but also winning the double. Who would have expected this before the season started.

But hey, it's the cup, there is always a big surprise around the corner. Why not Leverkusen losing the semi final or even the final?
Sure it would be a huge surprise and somewhat of a disappointment for Leverkusen if that would happen but the win of the championship is the far bigger success!

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