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Quote from: Luzin on May 29, 2023, 05:46:22 AM

They are going through a stage of displacement. Nagelsmann became a good coach who was fired by Muncen. Actually I was quite hesitant when Tuchel failed in the opening few games and UCL. The league game was also a cause for concern as they failed to pick up points in some important matches. So they have to determine the champion until the end of the game this season. Not bad, they work hard and bring good luck. Congratulations Munich, you are the 12th consecutive champion. Tuchel must adapt quickly to give the best game in the next season.

Nagelsman was sacked in my surprise and I did not understand why Bayern Munich fired Nagelsman after he helped them to beat PSG very impressive in Champions League round of 16. Defeat in Bundesliga affected their chance to win the domestic league but it should not be a reason they fired the coach.

After all, Tuchel failed to help Bayern Munich to win against Manchester City but very luckily to win Bundesliga. So far I don't think their decision to fire Nagelsman and replace him by Tuchel is a good decision.

Anyway Bayern Munich went through this difficult season with another title in Bundesliga, the 11th in 11 consecutive season. Dortmund with all advantage to win Bundesliga but could not get it and directly send it to Bayern in a final day of season. Marco Reus is a player who witnessed the domination of Bayern in Bundesliga as since a season he was bought by Dortmund, he did not win any Bundesliga with Dortmund. In 11 seasons, there are 7 seasons Dortmund ended at a runner-up position.

I have no idea about the reason why they fired Kohn after they won the title at the end of this season because usually when a team wins the title the staff members should be happy and safe in the office while this time they fired Kahn and Salihamidzic which is a little bit odd. However, maybe this happened because they got Nagelsmann fired and which was a bad decision.

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Quote from: BALIK on May 29, 2023, 06:00:39 AM

I don't understand why Nagelsmann was fired by the Bayern Munich management. With the help of Nagelsmann, Bayern Munich's performance has been quite stable. And at a very crucial moment, the Munich management took the bad decision to fire Nagelsmann. As a result, the team played very poorly against Manchester City and lost.

Thomas Tuchel has not been able to adapt to Bayern Munich's players so far. Bayern Munich is very lucky to win this year's Bundesliga title. However, Munich's performance is still very weak and erratic. If such performance does not improve, it will be difficult for Munich to even qualify for the Champions League round of 16 next season.

maybe, that's why Oliver Kahn and Hasan Salihamifzic were fired from their posts. the reason, because Kahn and Salihamidzic were responsible for what happened after Nagelsmann's sacking. Bayern's victory over the Bundesliga trophy this season was shrouded in a crucial drama that expects Dortmund to slip in the last game. although in the end Bayern still won the trophy, the fact is that the victory was far from what Bayern Munich's management had hoped for. in fact, if Dortmund were lucky in the decisive match over Mainz. I'm pretty sure the situation at Bayern Munich will experience a bit of polemic. However. luck remained on Bayern's side. yes, Dortmund was unable to deal with the mental pressure in the situation they faced. in the end, Dortmund could only win a draw.

Now. referring to several news sources that I read, Thomas Thucel is expected to leave Bayern Munich even though he just won the Bundesliga title. As quoted from dailymail, former Bayern midfielder Dietmar Hamann believes that Tuchel, the new coach appointed in March, will follow Oliver Kahn and Hasan Salihamidzic out of Bayern. well, will it happen, let's wait.

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Ausgburg will have to improve again and be able to reach a better finishing position. If they only rely on luck, this will not guarantee that it will always come.

I dont think that they can improve so much that they can get out of playing again against the relegation next season.
They dont have so much that they can get good players and Augsburg is nearly always on the last spots every year.

That's right, even more than 5 seasons ago Augsburg always finished at the bottom of the standings and they were almost always relegated. Maybe a small club like Augsburg are also confused about what to do, especially since they certainly don't have much money to bring in better players or coaches who have more experience.

I think Augsburg will remain at the bottom of the table next season and that status will stick with them for a few more seasons if the club doesn't do a complete overhaul. But back again, if the constraint is funds maybe it will be a barrier in the long run.

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Quote from: rendravolt on May 29, 2023, 07:47:51 AM

Despite the loss to Gladbach, it seems that Augsburg are very lucky to escape the relegation zone this season and they have not suffered any losses in that game. With this defeat, their position only dropped 1 rank, right below Bochum. The draw that Stuttgart got against Hoffenheim finally saved Augsburg from the relegation zone and if in that match Stuttgart won then Augsburg would definitely be in the play-off relegation zone. It seems that starting next season, Ausgburg will have to improve again and be able to reach a better finishing position. If they only rely on luck, this will not guarantee that it will always come.

The Augsburg team was very lucky. In the last match, they could not win against Gladbach. But they still qualified for the Bundesliga. Because Schalke and Stuttgart failed to win their last matches.
Augsburg's defense has been shaky this season. Augsburg's performance was poor due to a fragile defense. They won only 9 matches and lost 18 matches this season. As Augsburg is not relegated from the Bundesliga, it is expected that they will try to strengthen themselves in the next season. I think if Augsburg's defense can improve, Augsburg's overall performance will improve.

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I think this is one of the worse season for Bayern Munich in a long time, they made so many mistakes which would have made them not to win the league this season, Bayern Munich are so lucky even with their mistakes no team was unable to grab the opportunity to win Bundesliga.

Even though this season Bayern Muchen is in an inconsistent condition, especially with the club's internal problems which greatly affect the results of matches on the field but they still won the championship. Yes, it's true that this is luck and unfortunately Dortmund did not take advantage of this situation. Even though Dortmund has performed quite well this season, but in the last match they couldn't handle the pressure. this is what shows apart from the luck factor, that the mental strength of Dortmund players is not as good as the mental strength of Bayern Munich players who are used to pressure in crucial matches.

From the performance of Bayern Munich this season, If Haaland is still in Dortmund they would have become the winner of the season. Dortmund should learn how to create a good squad to win trophies and not just only to sell their talented players every season. If Dortmund continues to sell their good players it will be impossible for them to win Bundesliga.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on May 29, 2023, 11:47:17 AM

Until the last seconds of the game, I was thinking Dortmund is going to win the Bundesliga title and after years of getting failed they are going to win the league but even at the moment when they were really close to winning the trophy, Bayern Munich was not in a good situation, but once again Bayern Munich won the Bundesliga title but this time because of Dortmund mistakes.

Dortmund made their own fate in that last game, but they were completely shunned by luck. Playing at home with a choreography that makes all goosebumps should make Dortmund play spartan and not give Mainz the slightest chance. But it turned out that in the first half they had to be 2-0 down, it was really a difficult situation for the hosts. I really don't understand Dortmund on that day, they gave up the title they had in their grasp voluntarily to their nemesis Bayern Munich. So painful and unbelievable!

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Quote from: Lafu on May 29, 2023, 11:54:05 AM

Quote from: rendravolt on May 29, 2023, 07:47:51 AM

Ausgburg will have to improve again and be able to reach a better finishing position. If they only rely on luck, this will not guarantee that it will always come.

I dont think that they can improve so much that they can get out of playing again against the relegation next season.
They dont have so much that they can get good players and Augsburg is nearly always on the last spots every year.

Quote from: makishart on May 28, 2023, 06:18:39 PM

Finally, union berlin has also managed to enter into the UCL next season. I can't even wait to how berlin will able to compete with some clubs in UCL.

Same here and i looking forward to see them playing in the Champions League.
If they keep playing as they have done this season international i guess we can see some good games from them.

However, even though Augsburg has always been in the bottom zone of the Bundesliga standings every season, the reality is that Augsburg has always managed not to be relegated. Whether it's luck or not, because if every season Augsburg only competes to avoid the relegation zone then at least Augsburg has a good ability to survive in the Bundesliga.

But regarding Union Berlin, I personally don't have big hopes because after all, I believe that Union Berlin may not have any difference with what Eintracht Frankfurt got this season in the Champions League. In fact, I think Eintracht Frankfurt is actually better than Union Berlin, because Eintracht Frankfurt managed to play in the Champions League through Eintracht Frankfurt's success in winning the European League title last season. So yes, I think even if later Union Berlin can qualify for the knockout phase, but I'm sure Union Berlin will not be able to go any further.

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Quote from: rendravolt on May 29, 2023, 07:47:51 AM

Ausgburg will have to improve again and be able to reach a better finishing position. If they only rely on luck, this will not guarantee that it will always come.

I dont think that they can improve so much that they can get out of playing again against the relegation next season.
They dont have so much that they can get good players and Augsburg is nearly always on the last spots every year.

Quote from: makishart on May 28, 2023, 06:18:39 PM

Finally, union berlin has also managed to enter into the UCL next season. I can't even wait to how berlin will able to compete with some clubs in UCL.

Same here and i looking forward to see them playing in the Champions League.
If they keep playing as they have done this season international i guess we can see some good games from them.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 29, 2023, 03:12:30 AM

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Bayern's got a thousand lives, eh?

I was really rooting for Dortmund and I still feel that they deserved the title. The table does not lie though - and this example shows why we all love football.

Dortmund had 14 wins in 16 home games before this week, Mainz had 4 losses in a row with 3-13 goal difference.
Doesn't mean much though when everything in a game goes the other way.

Funnily enough - Mainz gave Dortmund the chance for the title when they won 3-1 against Bayern a month ago. A great way to finish the championship for the neutrals, but hell for the team waiting for the title since Klopp.

I think that it was the biggest surprise of the week that game,the pressure was huge for Dortmund players and this was best demonstrated when Haller lost the penalty which for me would have changed the course of the game 100% sure.A lot of my colleagues are joking around that Bayern management must have promised all Mainz players a brand new Ferrari as they cannot otherwise explain that performance of Mainz in this game Grin

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As I said it was a horrendous day for Dortmund and their fans which were prepared for a party but it ended up in a complete different way.

Until the last seconds of the game, I was thinking Dortmund is going to win the Bundesliga title and after years of getting failed they are going to win the league but even at the moment when they were really close to winning the trophy, Bayern Munich was not in a good situation, but once again Bayern Munich won the Bundesliga title but this time because of Dortmund mistakes.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 29, 2023, 05:46:22 AM

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why do you think like that? while Bayern Munich is not too bad this season after the achievement of becoming a successful bundesliga champion has been held by Bayern Munich this season. look at it for real without making it up that Bayern Munich looked very good at the start of the season and slightly decreased in performance due to fatigue after losing in the UCL but when the season was about to end Bayern Munich started to improve so that they succeeded in becoming the bundesliga champion this season.
with all this do you still want to say that Bayern Munich is very bad this season? open your eyes wide.

They are going through a stage of displacement. Nagelsmann became a good coach who was fired by Muncen. Actually I was quite hesitant when Tuchel failed in the opening few games and UCL. The league game was also a cause for concern as they failed to pick up points in some important matches. So they have to determine the champion until the end of the game this season. Not bad, they work hard and bring good luck. Congratulations Munich, you are the 12th consecutive champion. Tuchel must adapt quickly to give the best game in the next season.

Bayern Munich is presently experiencing relocation which appears to be a difficult time for the team. It is remarkable that their coach Nagelsmann was let go by the team despite his recent success. However I remember having doubts when Tuchel struggled in the first games especially the UEFA Champions League games. Their league play has also been concerning as they consistently dropped critical points in significant games. However their perseverance and diligence paid off as they won the tournament for a record breaking 12 times. Munich deserves to be congratulated for pulling off such an amazing performance. Tuchel will need to rapidly adjust and find ways to improve the team performance going forward for the upcoming season.

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Quote from: keyscore44 on May 29, 2023, 10:21:31 AM

This victory was destined for Bayern Munich. Because I thought that the Dortmund team will be able to secure the victory in a big way, but unfortunately the Dortmund team failed to secure the title as they drew the last match.

This is what I call luck, that Munich is lucky only on goal difference with Dortmund, so they are more deserving of winning the league this season, even though we know that Mainz played badly in the previous matches, but it was surprising when against Dortmund yesterday that they won 2 goals in the first half, it was good that Dortmund came back in the second half so they could equalize.

If only at the beginning of the game Dortmund played pressing I think it would be a different story that Dortmund should have won the match because they played in front of all their supporters and played at home but unfortunately it seems that Dortmund have not won the league yet and their winning mentality is not there so they did not take advantage of that opportunity. but even so Dortmund are no less embarrassing they only lose on goal difference and hope that in the next season they learn to be able to take advantage of the opportunity to win the league next season.

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Quote from: $anounimus$ on May 29, 2023, 10:15:47 AM

Yes I agree with you. Bayern Munich's hegemony this season was undermined by its own management team, sacking Nagelsmann for no apparent reason and when the team was in good condition was clearly a blunder. The arrival of Thomas Thucel actually made the team even more chaotic, in his hands Munich immediately failed in the other two competitions and the Bundesliga title was just luck because Dortmund failed to win. As a result of the management's poor performance this season, Hasan Salihamidzic and Oliver Kahn must bear that risk. They were both asked to leave the Allianz Arena.

Yes, it's true that Bayern's management is problematic, especially Oliver khan, if you remember, because of him coach Hansi Flick was fired and David Alaba left for free. Added to this, the Sadio Mane case has also been experienced by Robben. Robben once quarreled with Muller but what Robben and Muller threw away did not receive any punishment. IMO, Hasan salihamidzic and Oliver khan are too dominant like club owners, they both really should be fired.

Quote from: Masplanc on May 29, 2023, 03:49:59 AM

I think this is one of the worse season for Bayern Munich in a long time, they made so many mistakes which would have made them not to win the league this season, Bayern Munich are so lucky even with their mistakes no team was unable to grab the opportunity to win Bundesliga.

Even though this season Bayern Muchen is in an inconsistent condition, especially with the club's internal problems which greatly affect the results of matches on the field but they still won the championship. Yes, it's true that this is luck and unfortunately Dortmund did not take advantage of this situation. Even though Dortmund has performed quite well this season, but in the last match they couldn't handle the pressure. this is what shows apart from the luck factor, that the mental strength of Dortmund players is not as good as the mental strength of Bayern Munich players who are used to pressure in crucial matches.

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this was the beginning of Bayern Munich's mismanagement in my opinion, and they seemed to be betting on team performance when they brought in Thomas Tuchel, actually Thomas Tuchel was a great coach but the timing was not right when he came to Bayern, Thomas Tuchel failed in the UCL and DBF Pokat and the Bundesliga trophy which they got I think a big luck because Dortmund failed to win their last game.
Overall, Bayern's season has been terrible and Thomas Tuchel has failed miserably.
I don't know what next season will be like, I hope Thomas Tuchel can adapt and make changes to the Bayern team.

Yes I agree with you. Bayern Munich's hegemony this season was undermined by its own management team, sacking Nagelsmann for no apparent reason and when the team was in good condition was clearly a blunder. The arrival of Thomas Thucel actually made the team even more chaotic, in his hands Munich immediately failed in the other two competitions and the Bundesliga title was just luck because Dortmund failed to win. As a result of the management's poor performance this season, Hasan Salihamidzic and Oliver Kahn must bear that risk. They were both asked to leave the Allianz Arena.

Clearly it was a fatal mistake taken by management by sacking Nagelsmann at the most inopportune moment. Overall, their performance under Naggelsmann's direction was fine, even though there was a decline but it was still within reasonable limits. They then shocked everyone with the announcement of sacking him and it wasn't long before they announced Thomas Tuchel as his replacement. It's just a matter of timing which is just not right.

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Quote from: uswa56 on May 29, 2023, 06:43:26 AM

this was the beginning of Bayern Munich's mismanagement in my opinion, and they seemed to be betting on team performance when they brought in Thomas Tuchel, actually Thomas Tuchel was a great coach but the timing was not right when he came to Bayern, Thomas Tuchel failed in the UCL and DBF Pokat and the Bundesliga trophy which they got I think a big luck because Dortmund failed to win their last game.
Overall, Bayern's season has been terrible and Thomas Tuchel has failed miserably.
I don't know what next season will be like, I hope Thomas Tuchel can adapt and make changes to the Bayern team.

Thomas Tuchel tried his best to fit in with the Bavarians' pattern, and I'm sure he got nothing right with the club, but he did win the league title in his first season in management, so all he needs now is time. Rumors persist that he will leave the club, but he is fully committed to Bayern's projects for next season. Bayern Munich has won the league title, although they have had a disappointing season. After winning the league on goal difference, the Bavarian fired Kahn and Salihamidziç with immediate effect, privately they're the one throwing the club into complete jeopardy.

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Quote from: $anounimus$ on May 29, 2023, 10:15:47 AM

Quote from: uswa56 on May 29, 2023, 06:43:26 AM

this was the beginning of Bayern Munich's mismanagement in my opinion, and they seemed to be betting on team performance when they brought in Thomas Tuchel, actually Thomas Tuchel was a great coach but the timing was not right when he came to Bayern, Thomas Tuchel failed in the UCL and DBF Pokat and the Bundesliga trophy which they got I think a big luck because Dortmund failed to win their last game.
Overall, Bayern's season has been terrible and Thomas Tuchel has failed miserably.
I don't know what next season will be like, I hope Thomas Tuchel can adapt and make changes to the Bayern team.

Yes I agree with you. Bayern Munich's hegemony this season was undermined by its own management team, sacking Nagelsmann for no apparent reason and when the team was in good condition was clearly a blunder. The arrival of Thomas Thucel actually made the team even more chaotic, in his hands Munich immediately failed in the other two competitions and the Bundesliga title was just luck because Dortmund failed to win. As a result of the management's poor performance this season, Hasan Salihamidzic and Oliver Kahn must bear that risk. They were both asked to leave the Allianz Arena.

This victory was destined for Bayern Munich. Because I thought that the Dortmund team will be able to secure the victory in a big way, but unfortunately the Dortmund team failed to secure the title as they drew the last match.

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Quote from: swogerino on May 29, 2023, 03:12:30 AM

I think that it was the biggest surprise of the week that game,the pressure was huge for Dortmund players and this was best demonstrated when Haller lost the penalty which for me would have changed the course of the game 100% sure.A lot of my colleagues are joking around that Bayern management must have promised all Mainz players a brand new Ferrari as they cannot otherwise explain that performance of Mainz in this game Grin

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As I said it was a horrendous day for Dortmund and their fans which were prepared for a party but it ended up in a complete different way.

Even though Haller missed the best chance when he received a penalty, I don't think he should be blamed alone because if you look at the game that took place there were several players who were not able to take advantage of good opportunities to score. Mainz saved Thomas Tuchel's face in the last match and Dortmund almost accepted defeat at home even though in the end they scored two goals to equalize.

Dortmund coaches and players must be held responsible for this result because they wasted a big chance at home to lift the championship. Edin Terzic failed to make the most of his last game at home and instead his strategy was easy for coach Menz to read, even though if you seen their chances in that match they were big enough to win the match.

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Quote from: uswa56 on May 29, 2023, 06:43:26 AM

this was the beginning of Bayern Munich's mismanagement in my opinion, and they seemed to be betting on team performance when they brought in Thomas Tuchel, actually Thomas Tuchel was a great coach but the timing was not right when he came to Bayern, Thomas Tuchel failed in the UCL and DBF Pokat and the Bundesliga trophy which they got I think a big luck because Dortmund failed to win their last game.
Overall, Bayern's season has been terrible and Thomas Tuchel has failed miserably.
I don't know what next season will be like, I hope Thomas Tuchel can adapt and make changes to the Bayern team.

Yes I agree with you. Bayern Munich's hegemony this season was undermined by its own management team, sacking Nagelsmann for no apparent reason and when the team was in good condition was clearly a blunder. The arrival of Thomas Thucel actually made the team even more chaotic, in his hands Munich immediately failed in the other two competitions and the Bundesliga title was just luck because Dortmund failed to win. As a result of the management's poor performance this season, Hasan Salihamidzic and Oliver Kahn must bear that risk. They were both asked to leave the Allianz Arena.

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Quote from: Luzin on May 29, 2023, 05:46:22 AM

They are going through a stage of displacement. Nagelsmann became a good coach who was fired by Muncen. Actually I was quite hesitant when Tuchel failed in the opening few games and UCL. The league game was also a cause for concern as they failed to pick up points in some important matches. So they have to determine the champion until the end of the game this season. Not bad, they work hard and bring good luck. Congratulations Munich, you are the 12th consecutive champion. Tuchel must adapt quickly to give the best game in the next season.

Nagelsman was sacked in my surprise and I did not understand why Bayern Munich fired Nagelsman after he helped them to beat PSG very impressive in Champions League round of 16. Defeat in Bundesliga affected their chance to win the domestic league but it should not be a reason they fired the coach.

After all, Tuchel failed to help Bayern Munich to win against Manchester City but very luckily to win Bundesliga. So far I don't think their decision to fire Nagelsman and replace him by Tuchel is a good decision.

Anyway Bayern Munich went through this difficult season with another title in Bundesliga, the 11th in 11 consecutive season. Dortmund with all advantage to win Bundesliga but could not get it and directly send it to Bayern in a final day of season. Marco Reus is a player who witnessed the domination of Bayern in Bundesliga as since a season he was bought by Dortmund, he did not win any Bundesliga with Dortmund. In 11 seasons, there are 7 seasons Dortmund ended at a runner-up position.

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Quote from: Masplanc on May 29, 2023, 03:49:59 AM

I think this is one of the worse season for Bayern Munich in a long time, they made so many mistakes which would have made them not to win the league this season, Bayern Munich are so lucky even with their mistakes no team was unable to grab the opportunity to win Bundesliga.

Actually, Bayern Munich performance is not as bad as you think, the 2021-2022 season with a record of 24 wins, 5 losses, and 5 draws. Meanwhile, the gains for the 2022-2023 season are not far away and only the difference is 21x wins, 5x losses, and 8x draws. With a note that these results were obtained from 2 Nagelsmann leadership which were continued by Tuchel. I think everything needs to process and being with Tuchel for the next few seasons will be quite good. although he could not match Bayern Munich's achievements while with Nagelsmann.

Quote from: Luzin on May 29, 2023, 05:46:22 AM

They are going through a stage of displacement. Nagelsmann became a good coach who was fired by Muncen. Actually I was quite hesitant when Tuchel failed in the opening few games and UCL. The league game was also a cause for concern as they failed to pick up points in some important matches. So they have to determine the champion until the end of the game this season. Not bad, they work hard and bring good luck. Congratulations Munich, you are the 12th consecutive champion. Tuchel must adapt quickly to give the best game in the next season.

To see all the comparisons, we really have to look at Bayern Munich overall performance under Tuchel's management. So there's nothing wrong with him being doubted by many parties and for preparation for next season Tuchel really has to correct all his mistakes because in several matches Tuchel did not give good results.

Quote from: BALIK on May 29, 2023, 06:00:39 AM

I don't understand why Nagelsmann was fired by the Bayern Munich management. With the help of Nagelsmann, Bayern Munich's performance has been quite stable. And at a very crucial moment, the Munich management took the bad decision to fire Nagelsmann. As a result, the team played very poorly against Manchester City and lost.

Nearly 75% of this victory is still due to Nagelsmann and Tuchel just continues his trend. The dismissal of Nagelsmann was a decision that was taken briefly in the middle of the season where Nagelsmann did not produce bad results at all. It would be appropriate if Bayern Munich thanked Nagelsmann because in general it was Nagelsmann who led Bayern Munich to win the trophy.

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Despite the loss to Gladbach, it seems that Augsburg are very lucky to escape the relegation zone this season and they have not suffered any losses in that game. With this defeat, their position only dropped 1 rank, right below Bochum. The draw that Stuttgart got against Hoffenheim finally saved Augsburg from the relegation zone and if in that match Stuttgart won then Augsburg would definitely be in the play-off relegation zone. It seems that starting next season, Ausgburg will have to improve again and be able to reach a better finishing position. If they only rely on luck, this will not guarantee that it will always come.

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