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Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

I know Edin Terzic from Beşiktaş days when he was Slaven Bilic's assistant. He's pretty experienced as assistant manager, he was with Bilic in Beşiktaş and West Ham before he come back to Dortmund. For this short term he managed he was good, I believe he can find another club to manage. I don't think he goes back to second man again.
I hope Marco Rose will be successful, I hate to watch Bayern dominate league for a decade. We need to see some competition, I miss good old Bundesliga days.

I'm also not saying Edin Terzic is bad, but he still doesn't have enough experience to make Dortmund a team that can compete with Bayern.
I actually miss Dortmund when coached by Jurgen Klopp, Dortmund was able to give a lot of surprises. Even two-time Bundesliga champions,
this is what I want to see again next season. Hopefully Marco Rose can restore Dortmund glory, by beating Bayern's dominance.

A good squad will definitely be needed to bring back Dortmund's old glory. If Haaland leaves Dortmund and joins another club, Dortmund's forward will be broken. Because Haaland is a Goal machine. An extraordinarily talented young striker like him, Dortmund will not be able to bring in the team now. If they want to do well next season, they must have Haaland in the team.

To bring back the glory of Dortmund is not enough to have an experienced coach. But a good squad is needed, and I agree Dortmund will
still need Haaland next season as a goal machine. Therefore Dortmund set a high price, so that Haaland could stay at Dortmund for at least
one more season. There have been many offers that have come from many big clubs to get Haaland, but Dortmund have always turned them down.
Even the latest news Man City began to make an initial offer to Dortmund to be able to get Haaland, but I'm sure Dortmund will turn down the offer too.

Dortmund has a very strong team, but they need a coach who is able to make sure that they play well and up to their potential on a constant basis. They play unbelievable one game, can even beat the big ones like Manchester City or Madrid, and then they lose against a weak team in the Bundesliga.

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Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

I know Edin Terzic from Beşiktaş days when he was Slaven Bilic's assistant. He's pretty experienced as assistant manager, he was with Bilic in Beşiktaş and West Ham before he come back to Dortmund. For this short term he managed he was good, I believe he can find another club to manage. I don't think he goes back to second man again.
I hope Marco Rose will be successful, I hate to watch Bayern dominate league for a decade. We need to see some competition, I miss good old Bundesliga days.

I'm also not saying Edin Terzic is bad, but he still doesn't have enough experience to make Dortmund a team that can compete with Bayern.
I actually miss Dortmund when coached by Jurgen Klopp, Dortmund was able to give a lot of surprises. Even two-time Bundesliga champions,
this is what I want to see again next season. Hopefully Marco Rose can restore Dortmund glory, by beating Bayern's dominance.

A good squad will definitely be needed to bring back Dortmund's old glory. If Haaland leaves Dortmund and joins another club, Dortmund's forward will be broken. Because Haaland is a Goal machine. An extraordinarily talented young striker like him, Dortmund will not be able to bring in the team now. If they want to do well next season, they must have Haaland in the team.

To bring back the glory of Dortmund is not enough to have an experienced coach. But a good squad is needed, and I agree Dortmund will
still need Haaland next season as a goal machine. Therefore Dortmund set a high price, so that Haaland could stay at Dortmund for at least
one more season. There have been many offers that have come from many big clubs to get Haaland, but Dortmund have always turned them down.
Even the latest news Man City began to make an initial offer to Dortmund to be able to get Haaland, but I'm sure Dortmund will turn down the offer too.

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Klopp was obviously amazing for Dortmund, one of the reasons why he was capable of going to Liverpool and he became such a big name there as well. However there is a problem with him where he plays a certain way and he is not very elastic about it, he just plays that and that's it, gegenpress can help you win a lot of games that is true and this dude had sooooo much success with it. However both on dortmund and now on Liverpool he is having the same problem.

When you have just one tactic and one tactic alone that would mean that eventually others will catch up and figure out and make a change in their own tactics for whatever you are going to do, because you are now very predictable. If klopp was in dortmund right now, maybe he would have 2-3 good seasons but he would have started to be bad because Bayern would be ready to throw new stuff at them.

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Dortmund has a good scout team and they find good alternatives for their players. In the last 10 years, Dortmund and Atletico Madrid are the best clubs in replacements for their star forwards and strikers.
Dortmund lost Lewandowski, they found Aubameyang. Sold Aubameyang, they have Haaland.
Atletico Madrid lost Diego Forlan, Kun Aguero, they found Falcao, Diego Costa, Griezman, etc.
I think Dortmund will again find another good player to replace Haaland but it will only show they are not to ambitious to win titles. What they focus is having a position on the top and sell players as most expensive as possible to enrich their balance sheet.

That's right, this is the policy of the club, what the management is aiming at. Dortmund uses the club for business, they buy young and promising players, educate them, make them stars and sell them for big money. You can't become a champion with such a strategy, it's just business.

A similar business recently almost sent Monaco to the lower league. I understand everything perfectly, and each club finds its own niche, but such a technology can not endlessly give results and train or buy players only for the sake of subsequent sales should not be the goal of a club pursuing serious goals, because the players themselves will come to the club as a temporary option for a career. Although, of course, it is difficult to keep a player of Haaland's level when the grandees open the hunt for him.

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Quote from: hd49728 on June 14, 2021, 05:39:53 AM

Dortmund has a good scout team and they find good alternatives for their players. In the last 10 years, Dortmund and Atletico Madrid are the best clubs in replacements for their star forwards and strikers.

Dortmund lost Lewandowski, they found Aubameyang. Sold Aubameyang, they have Haaland.
Atletico Madrid lost Diego Forlan, Kun Aguero, they found Falcao, Diego Costa, Griezman, etc.

I think Dortmund will again find another good player to replace Haaland but it will only show they are not to ambitious to win titles. What they focus is having a position on the top and sell players as most expensive as possible to enrich their balance sheet.

That's right, this is the policy of the club, what the management is aiming at. Dortmund uses the club for business, they buy young and promising players, educate them, make them stars and sell them for big money. You can't become a champion with such a strategy, it's just business.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 14, 2021, 04:38:08 AM

A good squad will definitely be needed to bring back Dortmund's old glory. If Haaland leaves Dortmund and joins another club, Dortmund's forward will be broken. Because Haaland is a Goal machine. An extraordinarily talented young striker like him, Dortmund will not be able to bring in the team now. If they want to do well next season, they must have Haaland in the team.

Dortmund has a good scout team and they find good alternatives for their players. In the last 10 years, Dortmund and Atletico Madrid are the best clubs in replacements for their star forwards and strikers.

Dortmund lost Lewandowski, they found Aubameyang. Sold Aubameyang, they have Haaland.
Atletico Madrid lost Diego Forlan, Kun Aguero, they found Falcao, Diego Costa, Griezman, etc.

I think Dortmund will again find another good player to replace Haaland but it will only show they are not to ambitious to win titles. What they focus is having a position on the top and sell players as most expensive as possible to enrich their balance sheet.

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Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

I know Edin Terzic from Beşiktaş days when he was Slaven Bilic's assistant. He's pretty experienced as assistant manager, he was with Bilic in Beşiktaş and West Ham before he come back to Dortmund. For this short term he managed he was good, I believe he can find another club to manage. I don't think he goes back to second man again.
I hope Marco Rose will be successful, I hate to watch Bayern dominate league for a decade. We need to see some competition, I miss good old Bundesliga days.

I'm also not saying Edin Terzic is bad, but he still doesn't have enough experience to make Dortmund a team that can compete with Bayern.
I actually miss Dortmund when coached by Jurgen Klopp, Dortmund was able to give a lot of surprises. Even two-time Bundesliga champions,
this is what I want to see again next season. Hopefully Marco Rose can restore Dortmund glory, by beating Bayern's dominance.

A good squad will definitely be needed to bring back Dortmund's old glory. If Haaland leaves Dortmund and joins another club, Dortmund's forward will be broken. Because Haaland is a Goal machine. An extraordinarily talented young striker like him, Dortmund will not be able to bring in the team now. If they want to do well next season, they must have Haaland in the team.

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Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

I know Edin Terzic from Beşiktaş days when he was Slaven Bilic's assistant. He's pretty experienced as assistant manager, he was with Bilic in Beşiktaş and West Ham before he come back to Dortmund. For this short term he managed he was good, I believe he can find another club to manage. I don't think he goes back to second man again.
I hope Marco Rose will be successful, I hate to watch Bayern dominate league for a decade. We need to see some competition, I miss good old Bundesliga days.

I'm also not saying Edin Terzic is bad, but he still doesn't have enough experience to make Dortmund a team that can compete with Bayern.
I actually miss Dortmund when coached by Jurgen Klopp, Dortmund was able to give a lot of surprises. Even two-time Bundesliga champions,
this is what I want to see again next season. Hopefully Marco Rose can restore Dortmund glory, by beating Bayern's dominance.

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Quote from: BuNga_cute on June 13, 2021, 06:29:11 PM

Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

I know Edin Terzic from Beşiktaş days when he was Slaven Bilic's assistant. He's pretty experienced as assistant manager, he was with Bilic in Beşiktaş and West Ham before he come back to Dortmund. For this short term he managed he was good, I believe he can find another club to manage. I don't think he goes back to second man again.
I hope Marco Rose will be successful, I hate to watch Bayern dominate league for a decade. We need to see some competition, I miss good old Bundesliga days.

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Dortmund's performance throughout the season was unpredictable. They have been defeated by easy opponents. On the other hand, they have defeated a strong opponent. If they can maintain the continuity of performance, maybe they will be able to fight for the title. They need a skilled coach.

Dortmund needs an experienced and skillful coach who can lead the players to play effectively and smartly during the match. It is very unfortunate that they have many great players such as Haaland, Sancho, Reus, Witsel, Emre Can, Hummels, and Guerreiro. But this team still can be defeated by weak clubs in the last season. With that big potential players, Dortmund should compete for the Bundesliga title, not only to expect second place. Dortmund also needs to sign new players on the defense line and midfield line if the team really wants to get the title in the next season.

Edin Terzic is not an experienced coach who can make Dortmund champions of the Bundesliga, because Dortmund have very good quality players
at the moment. Dortmund should look for a more experienced coach, in order to take advantage of the star players they has to win many matches.
I agree that Dortmund in the Bundesliga often lose points against weak teams, this is what ultimately makes the difference in points with Bayern quite far.
Hopefully the Dortmund management realizes this, so that next season Dortmund can compete with Bayern and can go further in the Champions League.

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I am not entirely sure if Leipzig will continue to be great next season as well. They have sold some of their greatest players and they are also getting their manager taken by another team, we are talking about a team that will not be starting from zero but they are not going to be the same team neither.

So, we need to see who they will get, they didn't really do a world superstar transfers before the season neither and now they have a good amount of money that they can spend as well so maybe they will do even better with this much money and get players that are even better or will shine better, and that could lead them to be the only opponent to Bayern again. Or maybe they will be destroyed by the missing pieces and they will not be good at all and finish barely in top 5? We do not know what is going to happen until the season stars and they play a few games.

I also think that this is the end for Leipzig at least for now. They had their best chance to become the champions in the last season but they missed it. Now, they will most probably have a tougher year and have a big difficulty in even finishing in top 4. But they did a really good job certainly.

I don't know if it is that drastic as you describe it. Winning the Championship (as the last 9 years have shown) is almost impossible anyway. I still see them as a top 4 candidate. They have a good balance and not too much is happening really. They lose two players I believe? Upamecano and Konaté. Yes that is tough but still they have a competitive team on the pitch against teams like Leverkusen or Gladbach. They may not be able to compete as well with Dortmund and Bayern, but against the other teams they are definitely strong enough.

If they don't lose their important players on their attacking line, then yeah you can be right of course. Because as you said, they will still be strong to beat nearly all of the teams in the Bundesliga. It really depends how strong squad they will have after this summer.

It is going to be interesting. Also, when Leipzig doesn't perform as well anymore, it goes to show how brilliant of a coach Nagelsmann is. He did a great job for sure. So may no names in his squad and still competing with the best. Respect (at that age!).

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Ahead of the German national team's first group game next Tuesday, Timo Werner and Kevin Trapp have highlighted Manuel Neuer's outstanding performance as the number one goalkeeper for the German nation team and in the German Bundesliga. Kevin Trapp, for example, made clear his admiration for Manuel Neuer and described how he can also benefit from his knowledge in joint training. Timo Werner even called Manuel Neuer the best goalkeeper in the world.

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Timo Werner on Manuel Neuer: "I've scored goals against Bayern, but never against him. Someone else was in goal. He's sensational, and has been the best goalkeeper for years. For me, he's the best in the world."

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The German national team's first opponent also raved about Manuel Neuer and his performances in the German Bundesliga. In an interview with the German Sport Bild, French star striker Kylian Mbappé called Neuer "one of the best goalkeepers in the history of soccer" and spoke of analyzing Manuel Neuer's game closely ahead of the duel.

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Dortmund's performance throughout the season was unpredictable. They have been defeated by easy opponents. On the other hand, they have defeated a strong opponent. If they can maintain the continuity of performance, maybe they will be able to fight for the title. They need a skilled coach.

Dortmund needs an experienced and skillful coach who can lead the players to play effectively and smartly during the match. It is very unfortunate that they have many great players such as Haaland, Sancho, Reus, Witsel, Emre Can, Hummels, and Guerreiro. But this team still can be defeated by weak clubs in the last season. With that big potential players, Dortmund should compete for the Bundesliga title, not only to expect second place. Dortmund also needs to sign new players on the defense line and midfield line if the team really wants to get the title in the next season.

Without a new and skilled coach, Dortmund have no chance of winning the title. The Dortmund team was strong enough last season. There were many talented players in their squad. However, they did not perform as well as expected this season. If Haaland leaves Dortmund, Dortmund's forward will not be as strong as before. I don't see the possibility of them winning the title next season.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 10, 2021, 11:51:14 AM

Dortmund's performance throughout the season was unpredictable. They have been defeated by easy opponents. On the other hand, they have defeated a strong opponent. If they can maintain the continuity of performance, maybe they will be able to fight for the title. They need a skilled coach.

Dortmund needs an experienced and skillful coach who can lead the players to play effectively and smartly during the match. It is very unfortunate that they have many great players such as Haaland, Sancho, Reus, Witsel, Emre Can, Hummels, and Guerreiro. But this team still can be defeated by weak clubs in the last season. With that big potential players, Dortmund should compete for the Bundesliga title, not only to expect second place. Dortmund also needs to sign new players on the defense line and midfield line if the team really wants to get the title in the next season.

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They have lost two great defenders and they lost their manager, that is very important aspect to lose, specially the manager part because Nagelsmann is one of the best managers in the league, evident of him moving to Bayern which is by far the best team right now, that is the power of being a super team you can just get the defender and the manager of your closest rival. This is why I believe they will not be same, sure they will be somewhere along the line but they will not be the same.

Bayern Munich let those players leave the club because they want to find younger players for their longer plans. Bayern Munich always try to buy the best players in Bundesliga and most of times, they succeed with their first attempt. If they fail with first attempt, they succeed with later attempts. It is very sad ending for other clubs with weaker budget and can not keep their best players.

Apart from Bayern Munich, other Bundesliga teams are not very rich financially. Every year Bayern Munich ranks the best team in the league, and they win the title. This year Leipzig played great. If they add some good players to their squad this season, they will be able to fight hard for the title next season.

@IIranus I doubt Leipzig will fight for the title because I expect them to be out of the top 4, because of the way they have left their player’s go. Furthermore I’m really surprised by Upamecano situation, because he’ll have to report for Leipzig training till July 15th despite sealing his transfer to Bayern.

Maybe you are right. But this season, Leipzig's performance really deserves praise. In the middle of the season, I thought Leipzig would win the season title, perhaps the Bundesliga being freed from the dominance of Bayern Munich. But that did not happen. As usual, Bayern Munich won the title.

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They have lost two great defenders and they lost their manager, that is very important aspect to lose, specially the manager part because Nagelsmann is one of the best managers in the league, evident of him moving to Bayern which is by far the best team right now, that is the power of being a super team you can just get the defender and the manager of your closest rival. This is why I believe they will not be same, sure they will be somewhere along the line but they will not be the same.

Bayern Munich let those players leave the club because they want to find younger players for their longer plans. Bayern Munich always try to buy the best players in Bundesliga and most of times, they succeed with their first attempt. If they fail with first attempt, they succeed with later attempts. It is very sad ending for other clubs with weaker budget and can not keep their best players.

Apart from Bayern Munich, other Bundesliga teams are not very rich financially. Every year Bayern Munich ranks the best team in the league, and they win the title. This year Leipzig played great. If they add some good players to their squad this season, they will be able to fight hard for the title next season.

@IIranus I doubt Leipzig will fight for the title because I expect them to be out of the top 4, because of the way they have left their player’s go. Furthermore I’m really surprised by Upamecano situation, because he’ll have to report for Leipzig training till July 15th despite sealing his transfer to Bayern.

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They have lost two great defenders and they lost their manager, that is very important aspect to lose, specially the manager part because Nagelsmann is one of the best managers in the league, evident of him moving to Bayern which is by far the best team right now, that is the power of being a super team you can just get the defender and the manager of your closest rival. This is why I believe they will not be same, sure they will be somewhere along the line but they will not be the same.

Bayern Munich let those players leave the club because they want to find younger players for their longer plans. Bayern Munich always try to buy the best players in Bundesliga and most of times, they succeed with their first attempt. If they fail with first attempt, they succeed with later attempts. It is very sad ending for other clubs with weaker budget and can not keep their best players.

Apart from Bayern Munich, other Bundesliga teams are not very rich financially. Every year Bayern Munich ranks the best team in the league, and they win the title. This year Leipzig played great. If they add some good players to their squad this season, they will be able to fight hard for the title next season.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on June 10, 2021, 02:21:20 PM

They have lost two great defenders and they lost their manager, that is very important aspect to lose, specially the manager part because Nagelsmann is one of the best managers in the league, evident of him moving to Bayern which is by far the best team right now, that is the power of being a super team you can just get the defender and the manager of your closest rival. This is why I believe they will not be same, sure they will be somewhere along the line but they will not be the same.

Bayern Munich let those players leave the club because they want to find younger players for their longer plans. Bayern Munich always try to buy the best players in Bundesliga and most of times, they succeed with their first attempt. If they fail with first attempt, they succeed with later attempts. It is very sad ending for other clubs with weaker budget and can not keep their best players.

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I would say the best case for them this season could be a distant second place, it is still second place like this year but instead getting close to Bayern they will be far off, like a ton of points difference and still be second, there is a good case to be made for top 4 instead of being second as well.

Bayern Munich can have a big transfer season and lot of chances in their squad but it won't be serious matter for them and they will still be the best competitive team in Bundesliga.

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Bayern Munich are the beast in Bundesliga and other clubs almost can not beat Bayern in many seasons. If Bayern lost championship, they got it back very quickly in next one or few seasons.

They buy the best players from opponents in Bundesliga and destroy opponents' power. It is why they are always the beast in Bundesliga.

There is never a thing like Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga and could not be with the rate of slow progress on the parts of the available teams ta the moment. Bayern Munich is just too good for there present league Bundesliga. There is apparently zero competition for them and as such, you don't see them putting in there best everyday else, it becomes ridiculous. The only teal that could have posed some sort of challenge would have been Leipzig but then, inconsistency when they are close to being an actual threat always makes them drop.

They have lost two great defenders and they lost their manager, that is very important aspect to lose, specially the manager part because Nagelsmann is one of the best managers in the league, evident of him moving to Bayern which is by far the best team right now, that is the power of being a super team you can just get the defender and the manager of your closest rival. This is why I believe they will not be same, sure they will be somewhere along the line but they will not be the same.

I would say the best case for them this season could be a distant second place, it is still second place like this year but instead getting close to Bayern they will be far off, like a ton of points difference and still be second, there is a good case to be made for top 4 instead of being second as well.

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