Topic: Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread - page 2572. (Read 655026 times)

@Trofo you’re underestimating the passion of Bundesliga's fans, and hence when you say that the officials can only give away 20% tickets to the hardcore fans do you really think that the rest of them will quietly accept this decision, hell no they'll come on the streets and demand that tickets be issued to them too. Lastly in my personal opinion the only way they can solve this problem is by allowing the fans to attend the matches virtually, because this is the only way to satisfy all the fans.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5ygJzepfhA

Source:

https://www.bundesliga.com/en/news/Bundesliga/dortmund-bayern-bundesliga-attendances-and-fan-experience-the-best-around-463839.jsp

There is only one way for me to solve tickets problem. You designate 10% to sponsors, another 10% to players, then you give 20% to the hardcore fans supporting the club and put the remaining 60% into free market. This 60% will probably need to be drawn in some way because there will be much more interest than available tickets, something like world cup games for instance.

You can play around with percentages a bit but you have to allocate a fixed amount of tickets for groups mentioned above and put the majority of tickets on free market.

If they give them understandable reasons…. You cannot please anybody anyway.
Either way, this will be an interesting discussion. Who will they let in and who won't.

Yeah, though about Kohfeld aswell and I would probably put him next on my list. But after Werder seemed to be okay relegating with him to the second league and restarting there with Kohfeld, I think Baumann/Bode won't start to panic when the new season doesn't start as planned.

If that's the case however, and Bremen finds itself on the wrong end of the table all the time during the first half of the season, I see them making more changes than just the coach. Baumann and his transfers are already not without controversy (for example the 11 million they had to spend on Toprak and Bittencourt). His Transfers for this season have to be on point. Not an easy task when Werder has the same problems as Schalke and has not much money to work with.

I didn't see any odds yet. Wagner is a good candidate though, but I am missing Kohfeldt on your list. He is maybe at highest risk to get sacked, because if Werder starts bad, they will not hesitate to get rid of him imo. They don't want another season like the last one.

You can do your own odds (for these three you mentioned) and we can compare then once some odds are available and maybe find some value

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What is maybe more interesting (for me): Who will get tickets ? I think the authorities and DFL would be more happy, to give the tickets to sponsors, officials, families etc. and not to the hardcore fans, because they are more likely to not follow any Corona rules. But can you imagine what happens, if Schickeria doesn't get any tickets for Bayern games ? There will be a civil war

And the clubs would surely want their hardcore fans in the stadium to not have an atmosphere like you have in a lot of english stadiums. But they are dangerous for this whole concept

Discussions about the return of spectators continue. One interesting point is how to avoid it becoming too crowded in front of the entrances. One consideration is to let the fans in blocks at certain times. What do you think about?
https://www.kicker.de/780685/artikel/bielefeld_ag_soll_fan_rueckkehr_pruefen

This seasons isn't even completely over yet (UCL and Europa League) but I already wish the new season would start rather sooner than later. What I was wondering is if it's already possible to get the odds for the first coach to be sacked from somewhere?! I know the whole transfer market hasn't completely heated up and the teams have time till the 5th of October to improve their squads but I would really like to see how the bookies see the chances for the three candidates I have in mind:

David Wagner (FC Schalke 04)
The news around Schalke were all but good recently. Firstly they finished this current season with a record-breaking streak of 16 games without a win. If it weren't for the great first half of the season, they would have been in great danger of relegating. They only scored a total of 9 (!) goals in the second half of the season. Either David Wagner doesn't have a concept to play offensive or he is missing good strikers? Which brings us to next problem. The club has a mountain of debt!  Because they are so strapped for cash, they have introduced a salary cap. Just recently they had to get a guarantee from the federal state to get a new credit. New transfers, such as that of Alexander Schwolow from the SC, seem to depend on Schalke itself earning money through transfers: Rumors are Kabak to Liverpool, Mckennie to Southampton etc. If you have to sell your best players, have only a small budget and can't lure new players with a good salary, it's safe to say that next season is going to be a a herculean task for Wagner.

Markus Gisdol (1. FC Köln)
When Gisdol took over Köln you really saw that replacing the coach can bring a new spirit to the team. In a race to catch up he led Köln out of the relegation zone. But this run is over and the magic is gone. In the last 10 matches there wasn't a single win for Köln (6L-4D). This downtrend ended in the infamous 1-6 defeat against Bremen on the last matchday. I have my doubts that Gisdol can start another winning streak next season and honestly I see them as a big relegation candidate. And even though they just renewed the contract with Gisdol, it wouldn't surprise me if the officials at Köln decide to bet on another "coach-replacement-effect" if the new season starts like the old one has ended.

Heiko Herrlich (FC Augsburg)
The situation in Augsburg is also a bit heaten up. While the players were supposed to give up on part of their salary due to the Corona crisis, Augsburg reached deep into their pockets with the 7 m € transfer of Uduokhai. Also the "free" signings of Caliguri, Strobl and Gikiewicz were lured to Augsburg with high salaries. All this is causing unrest in the team. And the statistics for Herrlich aren't that good. Since he took over, Augsburg only won 2  of their 9 games. He can be credited that he had to start his time in Augsburg with the start of the Corona pause and it will be interesting to see if he can form the team with a longer preparation. But I think for Augsburg it will be a battle against relegation from the start.

This is somewhat realizing to an extent that we think
German Bundesliga clubs, or rather German clubs as a whole gets their money from tickets but that's not true. Selling tickets brings about 30% of income to the clubs than what what signature companies brings, the jersey they wears with companies names sitting on chest pays too, in as much as clubs has an partnership with companies for promotion.

The time of coaches in higher age is long gone. It's not only about experience, but also about goals and ambitions. How does the coach fit in with the club, how will he interact with the players...

So what do you think would be the right age for a coach?

Seeing his age of 38 this is quite young for a coach. Statistics on FC Bayern II 38 matches lost 11 times, not bad enough. This season Hoffenheim is ranked 6th in the final standings. I'm not optimistic about this coach but let's see.

Seeing the results of the match, in 29/2/2020 Hoffenheim vs Bayern 0-6. It's a bad result but I don't know for Hoffenheim with a new coach.

 I realize that teams do make most of their money from the stadium tickets they normally sell, however we are talking about a situation that the modern world never had to endure, even in back in the days when something like this happened, the people didn't stayed at home as much as they did today and they just died or survived, today we are learning to stay at home and far away from each other. Long story short I believe teams could survive another year if they have to without any sort of ticket sales, they could just get increased amount of money from TV because everyone will be watching from their TV anyway.

 In any case we are talking about just one part of the situation, the fans, but think of players as well, when the whole country starts to go around however they want and fill the stadium thats going to have a huge affect and that affect could go outside and to families as well. All of this could cause the nation to have a lot of infected numbers which means they could totally close the league down once again if it gets out of hand. That would be even worse for the teams and that can't happen at all.

I think so too. Now that the first holidaymakers are coming back and have tested positive for xxx and the number of cases in Germany is increasing, the authorities will certainly not allow fans in the stadiums.

I hope that no spectators are admitted yet. First a vaccine has to be found. Otherwise there will be a corona escalation in the Bundesliga and in German cities. our health is more important than sports. and maybe there will be a vaccine for christmas from santa claus

Weren't there already around 5000 fans in the stadium when Paris played against St. Etienne in the league cup final just a few days ago? They showed what is possible and I think that's the way things will be going: If any at all, we will start with a relatively small number of fans and then the official will decide step by step to increase the number of fans in the stadiums. No way is a full stadium at the beginning of the season in September going to happen like Union Berlin is planning it.

Ofc all this assuming the whole Corona situation won't get worse. If we see a second wave of infections after everyone is coming home from their summer holidays, the idea of letting fans return will be off the table quickly. Then we are talking about not even restarting/continueing the season. You can see it in Spain and Switzerland. If people get to careless it's always possible that virus can spread in a team. And then the whole schedule collapses like a house of cards.

If it keeps going with new Infections in Germany and the whole World i guess they dont will make that happend that the Fans will get back into the Stadiums.
And if they allow that some fans can get in they maybe just let 1000 or 2000 in and this would be possible the VIP ones.
But you cant say at the moment realy anything , for sure it would be nice to have some fans in there but is that the right thing ?

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.


Source: https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1288053980430569472

Wow thanks for the News and Information on that @bct_ail !

After i have readed i just imagined whats going on when Byaern Munich plays against Hoffenheim and Hoffenheim win this game. LOL 
Guess and hopefully he will take the Team forward and get better as they already are.
Maybe we see some transfers from the second team from Bayern to Hoffenheim also ?

Hoffenheim has a new chef coach. It is Sebastian Hoeneß. He is the son from Dieter Hoeneß. His last station was Bayern Munich where he was the coach from the second team.
https://www.swr.de/sport/fussball/1899-hoffenheim/artikel-tsg-1899-hoffenheim-neuer-trainer-sebastian-hoeness-100.html

yeah, but that kind of pressure is making them champions, isn't it?
i clearly doubt that a player with great fitness and skills could become champion, if he does not have that something in the head, that will made him to do the best at the most important moment, and do that many times, not just once, as many that strike superb on one ocassion and than nothing in the rest of career, would think on Karel Poborsky for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4MjBpCUhiE

back to topic, there is a lot of difference between first and second league in any country, and player has to be ready to play with the best, that is why some players from Zweite division cannot play in Bundesliga

True on that , specialy for the example " Schnatterer from Hoffenheim " and the same was it in the past with Marek Mintal from Nürnberg !
But sometimes this changes can make the difference that the player will get out of his Ass and he get stronger and better, but depends on the team and all around the player.
Deislers problem was the lot of injuries he has got.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/sebastian-deisler/verletzungen/spieler/337