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Quote from: Darkoth89 on September 05, 2020, 03:22:33 PM

As much as I am excited for the start of the next season and for the fans to come back to the stadiums (to create that unique atmosphere), I still have the feeling that all this is a bit rushed.

Yes i see this the same way like you doing , its all a bit to fast with the Fans in the stadiums !
And even now when the cases already again growing and the new infections goes up with all the coming back people from the holidays !
They have allow then some Fans in the CL Final or for the Game Germany against Spain too.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on September 05, 2020, 05:56:18 AM

Well, you already gave yourself the answer: Germany is a federal Republic

And the DFL is not yet bigger than local health authorities, so when Saxony allows XXXX people for events and Bavaria does not, thats just something we have to live with and I think it's fine. Because if it goes well in those places, where there are spectators allowed, it's more likely that the more strict states will allow spectators as well. Someone has to be the first to test (successfully) for others to follow Wink

I don't see a big issue putting a few k specators in a stadium tbh, since it's outdoors and you will not have packed stands. Just hope that there will be some hardcore fans as well to have a bit of an atmosphere again. Just 500 of them are already enough, to get some more football vibes after months of lab conditions in the stadiums. Only two weeks to go until 1./2. Bundesliga start again and I am already excited Cool

Sure, the DFL wouldn't be the one that have to decide that but the politicians could have put their foot down and set up a common rule for all stadiums.

Btw. just today Jens Spahn, the German health minister, did also criticize the current situation with different regulations all over the country. He would have very much liked "that we have a common approach for the start in the Bundesliga by the end of October" (Source).

As much as I am excited for the start of the next season and for the fans to come back to the stadiums (to create that unique atmosphere), I still have the feeling that all this is a bit rushed. Because once fans are allowed back in the football stadiums, other events (like concerts etc.) would like to follow that example understandably. And all that without the whole pandemic fully under control seems very risky to me.

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on September 04, 2020, 02:22:12 PM

Something that I don't understand is why there seem to be different regulations for each federal state here in Germany.

Well, you already gave yourself the answer: Germany is a federal Republic

And the DFL is not yet bigger than local health authorities, so when Saxony allows XXXX people for events and Bavaria does not, thats just something we have to live with and I think it's fine. Because if it goes well in those places, where there are spectators allowed, it's more likely that the more strict states will allow spectators as well. Someone has to be the first to test (successfully) for others to follow Wink

I don't see a big issue putting a few k specators in a stadium tbh, since it's outdoors and you will not have packed stands. Just hope that there will be some hardcore fans as well to have a bit of an atmosphere again. Just 500 of them are already enough, to get some more football vibes after months of lab conditions in the stadiums. Only two weeks to go until 1./2. Bundesliga start again and I am already excited Cool

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on September 04, 2020, 02:22:12 PM

Something that I don't understand is why there seem to be different regulations for each federal state here in Germany. In Leipzig fans will be allowed at the start of the new season, but what's with the other stadiums? Why are there no uniform regulations for this?

3 weeks ago Jens Spahn (health minister) said "thousands of spectators in the stadiums - that does not match the current infection rate." (Source). Now this seems to have changed already (for some states at least)?! I really hope that the clubs and the DFL aren't rushing things here and that the fans - if allowed in the stadium - accept the new rules and comply with them. Back in March we saw how easily the virus can spread amongst fans in a crowded stadium.

I also dont understand this but hey welcome to germany ! Specialy in Bavaria there are some regulations that others dont have .
But as i said lets wait what will come in the mean time before the League starts , there are a few days for that and it can be happen so much.

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Something that I don't understand is why there seem to be different regulations for each federal state here in Germany. In Leipzig fans will be allowed at the start of the new season, but what's with the other stadiums? Why are there no uniform regulations for this?

3 weeks ago Jens Spahn (health minister) said "thousands of spectators in the stadiums - that does not match the current infection rate." (Source). Now this seems to have changed already (for some states at least)?! I really hope that the clubs and the DFL aren't rushing things here and that the fans - if allowed in the stadium - accept the new rules and comply with them. Back in March we saw how easily the virus can spread amongst fans in a crowded stadium.

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Quote from: MCobian on September 04, 2020, 10:59:15 AM

Quote from: OcTradism on September 04, 2020, 09:43:27 AM

Quote from: Lafu on September 04, 2020, 09:13:33 AM

If the rise of new infections will grow i guess they dont allow spectators and will change there mind on that !
And the DFB was fighting about that to allow spectators yesterday for the match Germany against Spain and they even dont allow that .

I think that we dont will see some spectators , but we will see when the League are starting .

With the ongoing pandemic and the vaccine distribution and vaccination are still far, the community immunity has not yet been touched, matches without spectators are the best for all. It will be best not only for leagues but also for the communities. None of us want to see football matches play as a hub of infections from which virus will be spread out silently. It is too dangerous for society.

Please recall the theory that the match between Valencia and Atalanta spreads the virus from Bergamo (Italy) to Spain, then put the 2 nations become first and biggest infected nations in Europe at that time.

I agree that as long as the vaccine has not been found, it is better if the bundesliga is held without spectators. Since that is the best thing to do,
a match without spectators is one way to prevent the spread of the corona virus. We all have to be patient watching the Bundesliga without
spectators at the stadium, it must be admitted reduce the excitement of the match. But we must put the safety of all parties first.

@Lafu as far as I know German authorities were keen to allow fans back in the stands as soon as the league begins, and in my personal opinion it’s a risky move because it could lead to a second wave of coronavirus attack. Furthermore if they insist on allowing fans back in the stands then they should limit the number of fans to few 100 only, and make sure that those fans strictly follow social distancing rules.

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https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11881/12042382/bundesliga-clubs-agree-plan-for-fans-to-return-to-stadiums-as-early-as-september

https://sports.ndtv.com/football/germany-health-minister-opposes-bundesliga-plan-to-allow-fans-in-stadiums-2277403

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Quote from: OcTradism on September 04, 2020, 09:43:27 AM

Quote from: Lafu on September 04, 2020, 09:13:33 AM

If the rise of new infections will grow i guess they dont allow spectators and will change there mind on that !
And the DFB was fighting about that to allow spectators yesterday for the match Germany against Spain and they even dont allow that .

I think that we dont will see some spectators , but we will see when the League are starting .

With the ongoing pandemic and the vaccine distribution and vaccination are still far, the community immunity has not yet been touched, matches without spectators are the best for all. It will be best not only for leagues but also for the communities. None of us want to see football matches play as a hub of infections from which virus will be spread out silently. It is too dangerous for society.

Please recall the theory that the match between Valencia and Atalanta spreads the virus from Bergamo (Italy) to Spain, then put the 2 nations become first and biggest infected nations in Europe at that time.

I agree that as long as the vaccine has not been found, it is better if the bundesliga is held without spectators. Since that is the best thing to do,
a match without spectators is one way to prevent the spread of the corona virus. We all have to be patient watching the Bundesliga without
spectators at the stadium, it must be admitted reduce the excitement of the match. But we must put the safety of all parties first.

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Quote from: Lafu on September 04, 2020, 09:13:33 AM

If the rise of new infections will grow i guess they dont allow spectators and will change there mind on that !
And the DFB was fighting about that to allow spectators yesterday for the match Germany against Spain and they even dont allow that .

I think that we dont will see some spectators , but we will see when the League are starting .

With the ongoing pandemic and the vaccine distribution and vaccination are still far, the community immunity has not yet been touched, matches without spectators are the best for all. It will be best not only for leagues but also for the communities. None of us want to see football matches play as a hub of infections from which virus will be spread out silently. It is too dangerous for society.

Please recall the theory that the match between Valencia and Atalanta spreads the virus from Bergamo (Italy) to Spain, then put the 2 nations become first and biggest infected nations in Europe at that time.

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If the rise of new infections will grow i guess they dont allow spectators and will change there mind on that !
And the DFB was fighting about that to allow spectators yesterday for the match Germany against Spain and they even dont allow that .

I think that we dont will see some spectators , but we will see when the League are starting .

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https://t1p.de/6ghrf

The city of Berlin has allowed a maximum of 5000 people to participate in open-air events.
Thus, up to 5000 spectators will be present at the test match between Nürnberg and Union Berlin on Saturday.
But not only at Union Berlin spectators are allowed. Hertha will also allow 5000 spectators at the first home game in the Bundesliga on September 25 against Frankfurt.
https://www.rbb24.de/sport/beitrag/2020/09/fussball-bundesliga-hertha-bsc-saisonauftakt-4000-zuschauer.html

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on August 27, 2020, 12:49:26 PM

Compare it to Reus from Dortmund, who is extremely important for them, though in a different position. He just played 20 games per season on average in the last 6 years, because dude just can't stay healthy. So being a good/gifted player isn't enough, your body must be ready for the challenge as well and Lewandowski is just amazing overall.

Or players have to adapt to avoid injuries. Arjen Robben got many injuries in Chelsea and Real Madrid, the intensity is higher in Real but after he moved to Bayer, he became a stronger player and got less injuries till his retirement. His body was stronger as you can see, more muscles. Reus' body is still the same over many seasons. Of course, body muscles are only one of reasons and vulnerable players have to adapt to play smarter and avoid as much tacklings from opponents as possible.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on August 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM

Well, Sané and Gnabry play different positions and have very different skill sets; they are no central forwards, but more coming down the flanks, need some space and speed to really shine. Lewandowski is a modern-oldschool striker. Haaland was mentioned, who would fit pretty well imo and Bayern has a habit of buying the best players from Dortmund (and the rest of the league).

It is true. Sané and Gnabry cannot replace the position of Lewandowski, they are playing in different positions. Also, they have a very different attacking style. Indeed, Bayern needs another one to replace Lewandowski's position. Yes, Haaland seems to fit in that position, but I think Bayern still doesn't need him in the near future. Lewandowski is still playing in his best performance, not needed to buy someone for his position. Buying Haaland only makes him sit on the bench for a long time, then it will make him worse. It is better to let Haaland play in Dortmund to have more experience. If Bayern really wants to buy Haaland, just contact him and his agent to reach a personal agreement to sign a contract after the next 1 or 2 years. IMO Cheesy

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on August 30, 2020, 11:14:07 AM

Yes. The problem in the equation is often the player and/or agent. If a player wants to leave the club no matter what, this will always create agitation, whatever the contract says. Creates a lose-lose-lose situation then, where everyone is unhappy. The biggest loser is probably the club, where this player is currently under contract, because most likely he will not perform as good as he used to - being sulky. So putting in ultra-high buyout clauses, rejecting good offers, is only helping them so much (if the player really wants to leave).

I am pretty sure that if Haalands wants to go to Bayern and they want him too and can pay him, he would be able to go there in the end. But England/Spain is more likely, since he will be that good in 1-2 years, that Bayern won't pay what these super "rich" clubs are willing to pay Wink

You probably have Dembele (and Aubemeyang) in mind, right? It is true that a player could somehow force his transfer by simply going on strike and not showing up for training etc.. That's always a risk for a club that demands a player to fulfill his contract. But these players should be aware what effect such a behaviour has on their reputation and some clubs would probably think twice before offering them a contract. For Dembele his transfer to Barca was all but beneficial for his career.

Uli Hoeneß said back then about Dembele and Barca that "forcing a player to break a contract is the lowest class" (https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/hoeness-slams-barcelonas-dembele-pursuit-lowest-class) and that "for each day (that Dembele misses training) he would get a fine of 100.000 Euro from me" (https://www.welt.de/sport/fussball/article167815840/Dembele-wuerde-bei-mir-100-000-Euro-Strafe-bekommen-jeden-Tag.html). So even if Hoeneß isn't president anymore, I doubt that things have changed much for Bayern Munich: That they would sign a player who strikes his way out of his contract is highly unlikely.

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Quote from: Darkoth89 on August 29, 2020, 04:35:03 PM

They won't build in cheap buyout clauses in their contracts and are now rejecting offers that don't meet their demands. And that they'll let a contract run out like the one of Lewandowski, won't happen.

Yes. The problem in the equation is often the player and/or agent. If a player wants to leave the club no matter what, this will always create agitation, whatever the contract says. Creates a lose-lose-lose situation then, where everyone is unhappy. The biggest loser is probably the club, where this player is currently under contract, because most likely he will not perform as good as he used to - being sulky. So putting in ultra-high buyout clauses, rejecting good offers, is only helping them so much (if the player really wants to leave).

I am pretty sure that if Haalands wants to go to Bayern and they want him too and can pay him, he would be able to go there in the end. But England/Spain is more likely, since he will be that good in 1-2 years, that Bayern won't pay what these super "rich" clubs are willing to pay Wink

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on August 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM

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Haaland was mentioned, who would fit pretty well imo and Bayern has a habit of buying the best players from Dortmund (and the rest of the league).

But Dortmunds strategy when setting up new contracts for their players have changed quite a lot over the last years. Ironically it was Bayern that set this development in motion when they got Hummels, Götze or Lewandowski for cheap from Dortmund. They won't build in cheap buyout clauses in their contracts and are now rejecting offers that don't meet their demands. And that they'll let a contract run out like the one of Lewandowski, won't happen. Sancho is a good example for that. Not only haven't they accepted Man Uniteds offer because it was too low, they also extended the contract with Sancho.

So as I said before, that's why I think we won't see Haaland moving from Dortmund to Bayern. My guess is that at some point he'll be sold for 100+ million to either Real or a club from the Premier League.

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Quote from: tyKiwanuka on August 29, 2020, 03:33:53 PM

Lewandowski is a modern-oldschool striker.
Haaland was mentioned, who would fit pretty well imo and Bayern has a habit of buying the best players from Dortmund (and the rest of the league).

With Haaland i have written that in some of my earlier posts and yes this can be happen again.
Remember where Lewandowski has played before he was going to Bayern Munich ?
Same Club as Haaland is playing now , but for sane and Gnabry they can play the position from Lewa. they played that in the National team already.

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Quote from: Lafu on August 29, 2020, 02:09:44 PM

They have already started to bring new young players in for that postion that Lewandowski playes , Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sane !

Well, Sané and Gnabry play different positions and have very different skill sets; they are no central forwards, but more coming down the flanks, need some space and speed to really shine. Lewandowski is a modern-oldschool striker. Haaland was mentioned, who would fit pretty well imo and Bayern has a habit of buying the best players from Dortmund (and the rest of the league).

Regarding Mbappé I agree that he is not what Bayern would want right now (as replacement for Lewa). But who knows what the Bayern style will look like once the Pole retires or goes elsewhere and/or they have a new coach. Bayern is a super healthy club, though not as shiny like some english/spanish clubs. But you won't find an organisation in the whole football world that is so well run like Bayern - and they are still preserving their independence, while being able to compete at top level internationally. They could get and pay every player they want easily, but they won't do it, because no player is bigger than the club and breaking the bank for a single player is never a good thing (team chemistry etc.).

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Quote from: Lafu on August 29, 2020, 02:09:44 PM

They have already started to bring new young players in for that postion that Lewandowski playes , Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sane !
Both of them can play that position easy and i would love to see them all two playing togehter as they have done already in the German national team.
All of them World class playes and they still young .

Germany is full of soccer talent because they have too many players in past and in current squad these two have some good future for them Gnabry and Sane can do much better then many players woth millions of USD and playing with player like Lewandowski is really good expereince for them which help them in long run future career.

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They have already started to bring new young players in for that postion that Lewandowski playes , Serge Gnabry and Leroy Sane !
Both of them can play that position easy and i would love to see them all two playing togehter as they have done already in the German national team.
All of them World class playes and they still young .

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Quote from: Juggy777 on August 28, 2020, 01:59:18 AM

@Darkoth89 I don’t think that Bayern will start worrying now because Lewandowski will be able to play at least till 35 years, and then I believe that Bayern will buy Mbappé as his replacement, because he's a natural goal scorer like Lewandowski is. Also Mbappé said he joined PSG because he wanted to win the champions league, and at some stage he’ll realise that he cannot win the champions league with PSG, and hence playing for Bayern will appeal to him therefore I feel that he’ll be the replacement for Lewandowski.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8654769/I-joined-PSG-win-Champions-League-insists-Mbappe-French-giants-prepare-Lisbon-final.html

Well, 'worrying' is probably the wrong word. But it would be foolish for Bayern (or any team in general) to not have an early plan on how to replace their top performers one day. Even if Lewandowski has 2 or 3 more good seasons ahead, Bayern can't wait that long and only start to look for a replacement when Lewa ends his carreer/moves to a different club. Ideally, they would find a talented young striker who they could then slowly build up and perhaps substitute him for Lewa from time to time. Maybe Zirkzee can be exactly that?!

And as much as I'd love to see Mbappe in the Bundesliga, that's not gonna to happen. Bayern hardly makes these kind of record transfer deals. And that's why Haaland (which I mentioned as a joke) won't probably end up in Munich either. Dortmund won't let him go for peanuts and Bayern won't spend 100+ million, especially not when they'd finance a direct competitor this way.

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