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January 25, 2014, 02:05:06 PM
I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

I have nothing substantial, but I have the feeling that the time is now and I'll pick up some more gold next week. That fiat needs to leave the bank.


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January 25, 2014, 01:59:16 PM
Calling thezerg (wasn't that a name from star craft? I played it about 15 years ago )

It's time for a reality check at this historic junction the silverbox update.

this one : http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zerg?

I remember this one my Pentium MX lol Is the word Pentium becoming outdated already? Felt weird typing that.

Can one mine with a voodoo graphics card?
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January 25, 2014, 01:40:33 PM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

If you listen to corrupt bankers it will go down. If you listen to them you should thus not have bought gold in th first place. I think you will be lucky to find anyone in this thread who agrees with them.

Nobody in the thread "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thinks gold will go down, huh?  Cyperdoc might have something to say about that.

Ok, get the point. But I don't see how gold price (price of actual physical gold) can go much down now. Even FT is onto it, can it get much more mainstream now?:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-01-25/ft-goes-there-demand-physical-gold-one-day-paper-price-manipulation-will-end-catastr
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January 25, 2014, 09:47:14 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

800: Not happening.

1000: Very unlikely.

If you want to pick up some at cheap prices, you have the perfect time right now - calculated against the amount of fiat available, gold was probably never cheaper in the history of mankind. Also, it's rare you get the opportunity of buying an asset below/at its cost of production.

The opportunities on the upside are immense, the risks on the downside are relatively low by now.

Can you let us 'in' on your calculations?  or was it an overstatement. Smiley


Ha ha, ok, I will admit that I have never calculated this myself (price of gold vs. amount of fiat) - however, I have read it from several reliable sources. So maybe it's an overstatement. Smiley

Probably not easy to get all the data in for that calculation. If somebody wants to give it a shot, they are very welcome! Anybody coming up with numbers to prove me wrong - I would love to hear them! I'm not here to defend an abstract idea of mine.
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January 25, 2014, 09:02:08 AM
Can you let us 'in' on your calculations?  or was it an overstatement. Smiley

Yeah Smiley Most of us in this thread have been goldbugs for years, so it really takes more than that to convince us that our conversion has been wrong Wink
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January 25, 2014, 08:32:52 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

800: Not happening.

1000: Very unlikely.

If you want to pick up some at cheap prices, you have the perfect time right now - calculated against the amount of fiat available, gold was probably never cheaper in the history of mankind. Also, it's rare you get the opportunity of buying an asset below/at its cost of production.

The opportunities on the upside are immense, the risks on the downside are relatively low by now.

Can you let us 'in' on your calculations?  or was it an overstatement. Smiley



sr. member
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January 25, 2014, 07:19:07 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

800: Not happening.

1000: Very unlikely.

If you want to pick up some at cheap prices, you have the perfect time right now - calculated against the amount of fiat available, gold was probably never cheaper in the history of mankind. Also, it's rare you get the opportunity of buying an asset below/at its cost of production.

The opportunities on the upside are immense, the risks on the downside are relatively low by now.
donator
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January 25, 2014, 06:01:39 AM
It is helpful if we totally rid ourselves of fiat as a measurement of value:

The market cap of gold is currently about 1.5-2% of market cap of the world.
That of silver is way less and Bitcoin is still less (0.003%).

When Bitcoin reaches its potential and becomes 10-50% of the market cap of the world (the position that paper sludge is occupying now and metals occupied thousands of years), will gold still be 1.5% of the world?

I think, yes. I see no much reason why not. It will start to be used in more decorative purposes, though, such as the Solomon's Temple which was overlaid with gold.

To uphold the price of gold (or anything), it does not matter if 95% think it is worthless. The rest can happily bid it up, and gold is a prime example of this.
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January 25, 2014, 05:32:04 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

If you listen to corrupt bankers it will go down. If you listen to them you should thus not have bought gold in th first place. I think you will be lucky to find anyone in this thread who agrees with them.

Nobody in the thread "Gold Collapsing. Bitcoin UP" thinks gold will go down, huh?  Cyperdoc might have something to say about that.
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January 25, 2014, 04:43:52 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...

If you listen to corrupt bankers it will go down. If you listen to them you should thus not have bought gold in th first place. I think you will be lucky to find anyone in this thread who agrees with them.
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January 25, 2014, 02:07:30 AM


I made my first purchase of gold and silver recently. With crypto earnings, lol. Got a good price just before it went up a bit. My question to you all is how likely do you think it is that gold will go to 1000 or 800? I want to pickup some more but at cheap prices...
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January 24, 2014, 05:53:17 PM
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January 24, 2014, 05:50:32 PM
1 LTC = 1 ounce kg of Silver... Hmm....

fixed that for you.
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January 24, 2014, 05:14:49 PM
Not really gold directly, but what to think of this:

http://www.silverdoctors.com/it-begins-federal-government-forcing-employees-401k-funds-into-treasuries/

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Those who have been delaying moving their retirement funds out of the system on the account of early withdrawal taxes may want to take notice.
If the official notification an SD reader from the TSP has just received is any indication, it appears that our prediction of forced movement of 401k, IRA, private & public pension funds into US Treasury bonds has begun.
As can be clearly seen via the document below, the retired former employee of the Social Security Administration has received official notice that his entire 401k has been moved from where he allocated it into US treasury bonds without his prior notification or permission!
legendary
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January 24, 2014, 01:57:28 PM
Calling thezerg (wasn't that a name from star craft? I played it about 15 years ago )

It's time for a reality check at this historic junction the silverbox update.

this one : http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Zerg?

I remember this one my Pentium MX lol Is the word Pentium becoming outdated already? Felt weird typing that.
legendary
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January 24, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
Calling thezerg (wasn't that a name from star craft? I played it about 15 years ago )

It's time for a reality check at this historic junction the silverbox update.
sr. member
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January 24, 2014, 04:58:38 AM

Manipulation is still happening.. I was in the middle of a long post about the history of gold the last few years from cot report positioning to margin requirements changing to screw over long positions.. anyways Ill leave you to the most convincing chart to show the fed gives free reign to a few banks to short naked until cows come home:

http://www.justthinking.us/12/04/12/manipulation_gold_market

CAnt be more obvious. Every ny open the crims sell at will and then again at 10am pacific when the fatsos are back from lunch and martinis. Anytime there are stoplosses they are there.. since people are long they make money forcing short witj free money.

While this happens:

http://www.pinnacledigest.com/blog/pinnacle-digest/gold-flash-crash-manipulation-gold-market-continues-2014

Expect lower prices.



Yup, by now happening every single day, you can set your clock after it.

How much longer do you think this can go on and how close is the Comex to breaking? What else could be left in  their bag of tricks?
donator
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January 24, 2014, 04:52:55 AM
Bitcoiners are just smarter and more attractive than most people.

Yeah. The current issue why this is not fully established as the general truth, is the despicable "one man - one vote" system. Bitcoiners should leverage their bitcoin holdings to build an atmosphere of awesomeness around them.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
January 24, 2014, 04:15:42 AM
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Bitcoin is not so easily manipulated, no one can naked short bitcoins...
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Why not? All depends on what trading rules exchanges follow. If bitcoin ends up as a new asset-class in existing commodities-trading infrastructure, how would that be any different than paper-gold trading?


You can't naked short bitcoins, but you can naked short paper bitcoin through debt contracts provided you are sufficiently trusted and the CFTC doesn't get in your way.

The big difference between the paper-gold market and the paper-bitcoin market (other than its nascent existence) is that Bitcoin People aren't so stupid as to believe that an ETF is a pricing metric for anything other than the ETF.
Gold people tend to still see the ETF price as a meaningful price for the physical and use it for trading.  That's why there are folks shorting the ETF and buying the physical.

Bitcoiners are just smarter and more attractive than most people.  Less likely to fall for that game.
Maybe later when there are more sheeple in the bitcoin community this will change and the sheeple will get fleeced.
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