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Topic: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. - page 1307. (Read 2032272 times)

hero member
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May 24, 2013, 04:24:46 PM
I've always seen Bitcoin as Gold 2.0. Or Super Silver.

I wonder how gold bugs reconcile that everything has been going up while gold declined? How does that make sense if it's supposed to be an inflation hedge? Do they just resort to "manipulation" in the paper markets?

IMO, from a fundamental viewpoint, the U.S. dollar recently became positively correlated with the U.S. stock market - a relationship that hasn't existed in length since the 1990s. A higher dollar naturally pushes commodities (e.g. gold) lower. In regards to stocks, there are essentially two types of gold investors - inflationists and doomsdayers - who have arguably pushed gold past a sustainable trajectory in the last few years. Inflationists believe that stocks are heading higher alongside gold. Doomsdayers believe that stocks are going to crash as gold soars because of a lack of trust in the financial system. At the moment, the doomsdayer crowd is getting slaughtered and many are probably panic selling gold as stocks hit all-time highs as many are not only becoming optimistic but euphoric about the future. Many inflationists are also probably selling because inflation is still contained and shows no signs of increasing as Ben Bernanke shows more signs of tapering QE than expanding it. Apart from fundamentals, selling naturally begets selling when a market goes against one's viewpoint and position, and many have been caught on the wrong side of this trade. However, the extreme sentiment shift is pointing to, at least, a minor bullish reversal sooner rather than later. Once this dual supply is absorbed into the market (alongside speculative short-sellers), gold will probably begin following stocks and fading the dollar as usual. But, because of this recent rout of doomsdayers and inflationists, the gold market has probably regained some of its past safe haven status if stocks take a dive because everyone will once more expect Ben to continue QE instead of taper, and previous inflationists and doomsdayers will panic buy what they previously panic sold. It's typical for markets to reverse when everyone is on the same side, and today's market has definitely become a one-sided affair for stock market bulls. Furthermore, reversals typically occur when divergences begin to appear, and the dollar/stocks divergence definitely counts as a warning sign to stock market bulls more so than a new norm. I would keep a close eye on the NIKKEI, the yen, and popular carry trades in the coming weeks because they have led global stocks higher, and a reversal here would likely spill over into other markets.

From a technical perspective, well, you know where I stand, and it's a lot less complicated Cheesy

Hope that helps,
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
May 24, 2013, 02:32:07 PM
Do they just resort to "manipulation" in the paper markets?

It's not just a "resort". Check out the price of gold that you can hold -or silver with the same quality.
And when Comex or a major western PM dealer defaults the gold bugs will have the last laugh.

Related:
http://dailyreckoning.com/cooking-the-gold-books
N12
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May 24, 2013, 02:14:12 PM
I've always seen Bitcoin as Gold 2.0. Or Super Silver.

I wonder how gold bugs reconcile that everything has been going up while gold declined? How does that make sense if it's supposed to be an inflation hedge? Do they just resort to "manipulation" in the paper markets?
legendary
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May 24, 2013, 02:09:07 PM
cypher, when will we get Gold parity? Grin

who knows, but the point is, it's going to happen.
N12
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May 24, 2013, 02:04:19 PM
cypher, when will we get Gold parity? Grin
legendary
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May 24, 2013, 02:01:28 PM
Gold collapsing.  Bitcoin UP.
legendary
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May 24, 2013, 11:45:53 AM
Gold down.  Bitcoin UP.
legendary
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May 24, 2013, 09:48:36 AM
oh Lordy.  again.

silverbox?



So I just got bored....

Great Panther Silver  Stock price: $0.78  Market Cap:$108M

ASICMiner                Stock Price: BTC2.5($320) Market Cap:$128M


LOL Cheesy

oh, that's just mean. so mean. Tongue
hero member
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May 24, 2013, 09:05:07 AM
oh Lordy.  again.

silverbox?



So I just got bored....

Great Panther Silver  Stock price: $0.78  Market Cap:$108M

ASICMiner                Stock Price: BTC2.5($320) Market Cap:$128M


LOL Cheesy
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 23, 2013, 01:27:48 PM
not if you have stops set.

Which is why don't play the paper games or leveraged markets. Physical is better than that in my view.


Smoothie, is your blender blade fashioned out of silver? Grin


I am a smoothie not a blender lol
legendary
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May 23, 2013, 12:07:08 PM
Notice how I commit false choice fallacy. So clever.

Yup. I doubt it'll be long before the paper bag holders are fleeced yet again, only in the opposite direction this time.


   "He who sells what isn't his'n
    Must buy it back, or go to prison."

      Daniel Drew

I'll again state my theory that when it is known or confidently predicted by a certain fraction of market participants, the aformentioned assertion will no longer have it's normal effect and markets will behave in an erratic and counter-intuitive manner...for a time...

sr. member
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May 23, 2013, 10:53:13 AM
not if you have stops set.

Which is why don't play the paper games or leveraged markets. Physical is better than that in my view.


Smoothie, is your blender blade fashioned out of silver? Grin
legendary
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May 23, 2013, 09:36:20 AM
Notice how I commit false choice fallacy. So clever.

Yup. I doubt it'll be long before the paper bag holders are fleeced yet again, only in the opposite direction this time.
legendary
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May 23, 2013, 08:55:55 AM
Oh yeah baby,

The Daaash for Digital Caaash.  Wink
sr. member
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May 22, 2013, 11:11:46 PM
Paper gold shorts are markedly high recently, acc. to Bloomberg.

Last few times gold shorts spiked it appeared to be followed by a rise in gold. However this recent short spike, also larger than the last, has gold price continuing to decrease. Delayed reaction or beginning of permanent backwardation? (Notice how I commit false choice fallacy. So clever.)

Never thought I'd live to see the day where bitcoin is more stable than traditional assets... Grin

Is there any sort of a Bitcoin VIX out there?
legendary
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May 22, 2013, 04:15:20 PM
we get a +155 ramp in the morning, followed by a -230 dump in the afternoon in stocks.

BITCOIN USERS UNAFFECTED.

lol... on the same day Bitcoin more stable then both gold and stocks...
legendary
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May 22, 2013, 02:01:41 PM
we get a +155 ramp in the morning, followed by a -230 dump in the afternoon in stocks.

BITCOIN USERS UNAFFECTED.
legendary
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May 22, 2013, 01:28:54 PM
nasty ass reversal in gold today rivalling that of just 2d ago.

fun times Smiley

not if you have stops set.

Which is why don't play the paper games or leveraged markets. Physical is better than that in my view.

physical Bitcoin that is.  Wink
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 22, 2013, 01:13:03 PM
nasty ass reversal in gold today rivalling that of just 2d ago.

fun times Smiley

not if you have stops set.

Which is why don't play the paper games or leveraged markets. Physical is better than that in my view.
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