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Peter Todd again. I don't like this.


http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg08422.html

Eliminating mankind entirely may be your lunatic goal, but that particular goal is very, very, very difficult to achieve. Entropy is not on your side.

As I wrote upthread, the most amusing aspect IMNSHO is you somehow think your goals spare you from your implicitly desired outcome.

I wonder where your hatred of man originates? Did your relatives or priest rape you? Is it a power trip of jealousy (if I can have it all, then no one else should have anything)?

Btw, for anyone who isn't aware, afair Zarathustra was trying to convince me in 2013 that the tribal life that existed for example in the Philippines before the arrival of any modern technology, is the ideal life. What he doesn't comprehend is that the Laws of Thermodynamics do not allow for a reversal of time (reversible processes don't exist). The only way to go back, is to destroy all life because it is intertwined with all that has changed (increased entropy towards the maximum entropy required by the Second Law). How would you burn all the books and memories of technology?

Humans are social. The work I am attempting now is to move the power from the center back to the ends of the network as was the case when there were many small tribes competing. So I don't know how you can accuse me of being hyper-collectivist. If I succeed with a bearer coin and ecosystem, then much of the centralized power will fall away. The work I am attempting is to reenable the superiority of small communities, so in that respect our goals are aligned but just don't expect it to happen without technology.

I admit that when I used to live in Camarillo, California in my early 20s and I was addicted to sugar (and programming WordUp by Neocept which you can Google), I had these fantasies of going back to simpler time and living off the land. So by 1991, I took off to the Philippines to test out my theory. I even hiked through Mexico and Guatemala in 1993 to learn. I slept with a family high in the mountains in Guatemala that only had a dirt floor. I had to squat outside in the night to defecate; a dog ate the warm feces (very cold up in the mountains at night) while I was still in the act.

It just isn't the fantasy I thought it would be. There are some aspects of the simpler life I love. But life without modern things is very difficult and not always as pleasant. And it also retarded my productivity. I nearly gave away all the best years of my potential career to this experiment. I was on the path to be a maverick in the software industry and I threw most of it away for this fantasy. Well perhaps not all; perhaps I still have one more chance to redeem myself. 50 is old, but hopefully not too old to still do some great work.

Edit: I don't disagree with the notion that most of the food we eat is poison. The natural foods are the best. I have this theory that my Multiple Sclerosis is due to losing the good bacteria in my digestive tract (supported by research that shows correlation between imflammation, autoimmunity, and gut bacteria deficiencies; as well a severely debilitated M.S. patient was able to be mostly cured by receiving fecal transplants). A recent finding of science is that native tribes have a much more diversified gut flora and better health because of it. They even discovered that some good bacteria act as natural antibiotics. Apparently our immune is intertwined with our digestive system (perhaps since that is where most pathogens enter). Since a week ago I've been fermenting salsa for two days before eating it. So far, I feel significant changes but don't know if this is a cure.

Edit#2, Zarathustra do you still have those images of the ideal tribal life? Can you insert them into your prior post so that readers can visualize what you are proposing?

Abruptly engineering an environment with conditions of the pre-mammalian age could indeed be a good change.
The planet would at least be spared from anthropocentric poison drinkers and hyper-collectivists (bible throwers, Keynesians, Austrians, tvbcofs, anonymints and other fascist collectivists) and the command of their idols: Dominum terrae.


The state, I call it, where all are poison-drinkers, the good and the bad: the state, where all lose themselves, the good and the bad: the state, where the slow suicide of all — is called "life."

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thus_Spoke_Zarathustra#Ch._11_:_The_New_Idol

Of course not

I might add that TPTB will certainly want some breeding stock.  Animals are domesticated by retarding certain aspects of their maturation process leaving them juvenile in some ways.  In humans this would be related to dependency and subservience to leadership.  (Forgive me if I've bored folks with this concept on this thread already.)  Of course all humans have these attributes to a degree since we are social animals, but it is more well expressed in some than in others just by natural variation...if not by other means.  I suspect that this is what the focus on testing and data analytics embraced in our 'common core' education makeover is all about.

It is already not practical to hide.  Big brother knows most of us better than we know ourselves.  You either love him or you don't.  This makes it somewhat impractical to fake being model herdstock and hope that you sneak under the wire that way.  Even if you pulled it off (which is pretty much impossible at this point) you would still have to win the roulette roll since there are a lot of high-quality sheep out there.


Long years of leisure and boredom await those at the top of the pyramid if they pulled it off.  All I can say, and all I said, is that if 'I' were an elite I would anticipate this and tune my selection criteria accordingly.


America probably needs to get much closer to a Chinese style totalitarian regime before things can go without a hitch, and I sense many of our leaders drooling at the thought of such a panacea.  You might take the time to look up some of James Corbett's  work on the relationship between the U.S. and China (and the FSU) if you've not done so.  The hypotheses he proposes are intriguing.


I've long felt that a pandemic is a no-brainer for culling.  Effective, selective, and relatively humane...I don't see any reason why most of the elites would be excessively cruel for no good reason.  I mean they are not God!

If the 'elite' don't get us with a biological agents one of their crackpot minions who's been brainwashed into an anti-humanic frenzy probably will eventually.  A single post-doc with some lab equipment could probably pull it off at this point.

Have they figured out how to run it on CO2 when there's no more water?   

Since we are just playing around and I know you also didn't intend any insult to Zarathustra, but rather just postulating how long a cat might be entertained with an acorn versus a grasshopper, I retort that the elite have no time to play with any of us who are not leaders of thousands, and they will expend no time to classify us differently than Zarathustra. The only people worth their attention are those who command significant following, wealth, or some uber technology such as Armstrong's supercomputer model. Also my model of the culling is a long and slow burn into totalitarianism. These collapses take decades to morph into genocide. The timing for the next Great Depression to start is Oct 2015 (that will correspond to 1929). Remember how many years from that until the killings fields began at the hands of the Nazis.

Also the circumstances are different in that Asia and not the USA is the safe haven for this coming transition, but Asia is already highly top-down structured in many respects.

I suspect most of the widespread death (if it comes) will be due to perhaps a pandemic, which Armstrong's model has targeted for 2019.

Westerners  will have relied on the government and environmentalism and feminism to save them, and won't have the tools to save themselves. We saw that during Katrina in 2006 and that was not a pandemic.

Why own a generator because that pollutes with carbon! Why learn how to make ethanol, because that does not power an electric motor, etc..

Another source of great culling can be letting boomers rot in Obamacare rationed hospice. I offer the VA scandal as a test run example.

https://twitter.com/JustusRanvier/status/611709923450351616

My reply on an interesting thread in Dev & Tech:

I don't know what to make of Armstrong, it will be interesting to see what happens around sept/oct. I read this today that said basically the same thing re: liquidity

http://dailyreckoning.com/the-next-financial-crisis/

The climate debate also is difficult. On one hand you have a fairly comprehensive book like This Changes Everything and the word of many scientists etc. On the other hand there are the greenland ice core samples going back 20000 yrs that show a almost rhythmic up and down of global temps (barring 12800 & 10600 yrs ago when there were major spikes/falls possibly associated with comet impact). Also there is the examples of Deepwater Horizon & the massive spill where (iirc) 32 of 33 scientists came out in support of BP's finding that the harm done was minimal. Guess how many whose privately funded by BP themselves (see Vultures Picnic).

I should preface my remarks by saying that my thoughts here are more flights of fancy and I don't really see a 'culling' as imminent if it is a realistic concern at all, but one never knows.  That said...

If I were an 'elite', I would consider the Zarathustra type to be among the disposable useless eater class.  Mostly because they are numerous and boring.  The skeptical types who saw through the opacity, however, might be amusing toys to play with.  Provided they posed no realistic threat of course.

The ones who fell for this seem to think they won't be the ones culled. That is the most amusing aspect IMNSHO.

They actually think that by being on what they think it is righteous side of the issue, this saves them. As if being righteous suspends science, i.e. a form of confirmation bias.

Religion dies hard. Modern society successfully teaches them atheism, and they just can't resist the desire to be mind controlled by another form of barely obscured religion.

Any wonder why the elite call them cows or sheep?

Your problem tvbcof is the same as mine. How to not get culled along with them (or at least how to maximize good effort in this context)? I realize you probably feel the drama detracts from rationality but I could explain the same in more sober words if I was so inclined to invest the effort (I don't think it is worth my time, as people never change their minds).

200M years of continuously decreasing levels. We have barely reversed a mere fraction of that. Yes it is a change, but that does not mean it is a bad change.

http://theresilientearth.com/files/images/carbon_over_time.jpg

BTW, there was a mass extinction event around that 300M year bottom in CO2 levels. One of the proposed causes was that the prior explosion in plant life just prior to that dropped CO2 levels so far that it cooled the earth to a level that started the extinction event. Another explanation is that the bottoming in CO2 levels 300M years ago approached the minimum required for photosynthesis to function, which crashed plant life and animals higher up the food chain.

If that turns out to be the reason, then humans just saved the planet.

Lots of luck with that.  Most carbon is locked up in rocks:



I think that what has primarily happened is that some fraction of capable people got married to the Malthain idea that there are to many humans and they need to be off'd if they cannot be controlled by various 'injunctive' measures.  Of course, being capable they are able to control the thought patterns of many more (e.g., our friend Zarathustra here.)

The earth fell flat on it's promise to starve the masses out of existence.  So far.  The idea is so nice, though, that it is hard to part with.  Various kinds of propaganda and other more concrete measures are called for.  That they can increase the wealth and control already enjoyed by those who are the primary drivers of this thing probably contributes significant impulse to the project.

It's interesting that Nasdaq OMX ETN (XBT) does not have any premium, and it's trading right at Bitstamp rate. Certainly, it doesn't have CUSIP, so not suitable for 401K. However, it can be bought in US (Interactive Brokers: COINXBT)... So competition in the space is heating up.

No, not constantly decreasing. Cyclically decreasing. 150 Million years ago the concentration has been much higher than 300 Million years ago.
Anthropogenic experiments in changing the composition of the atmosphere in record time are anyway an idiocy. Man made, shock-like changes in the atmosphere determine shock-like reactions of flora and fauna.

Could it be that now the Bit license is settled that COIN ETF is moving forward, and there is some "front running"  going on, new money cumming in, in anticipation of the news?  
good thing it's taking so long, otherwise I would have bought when Bitcoin was $600.

You missed the actual argument here:  The change in CO2 concentrations over the last several hundred years is actually quite startling.  It's absolutely something worth study very well could be something to freak out about.  Again, you guys are fucking up any realistic possibility of doing decent work on the issue by blatant politicization of it.

Here's the funniest thing I've read in a long time:  The idea that anesthesia gasses from the operating room are powerful greenhouse gasses and contributing to global warming.  This is true, BTW.  The concentrations of these gasses identified were iirc about 0.3 parts per trillion.  It is almost certainly true that it will cause extra warming by perhaps 0.00000003 degrees C.  The amazing thing is that this shocking story induced a response in people who are bright enough to have obtained a medical degree:

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/04/07/3643995/anesthesia-gases-contribute-to-climate-change/

I'm pretty sure this story was a psy-op test to see how stupid people could possibly be.  A follow-up to the experiment to try to convince people that medicine passes right through people into the sewage system and turns male fish into females or whatever.  That was a remarkable success BTW.  Nobody that I know even raised their eyebrows.  In other news, the Federal govt is giving $500,000,000 in grants and loans to upgrade Sacramento's sewage treatment facilities.

Thanks for this.
We can be conquered by our divisions, yet enhanced by friendly competition.
So long as both developments remain open source it is a win, but Bitcoin is still a tiny thing, for all its resilience, for all its promise.

There is overmuch vitriol.

For the record, I'm not entirely pleased with any of the proposals but most favor the BIP100 currently, if only for the notion that it divests the developers of the central decision making over the issue.
It would be a positive way to end the argument and get back to building.

I'm right there with you.
401K funds without much other options that have a US CUSIP.

If/when the Winklevoss COIN materializes, the premium should normalize toward (or below) the actual bitcoin prices with the onset of competition, and shorting.

The question though... what will the bitcoin price be by then?  Who knows how long that will take.

It is not a circulation but a pump which over time slowly puts more and more carbon into the ground from out of the air. This is why the long term carbon graphs show carbon as constantly decreasing at a steady rate over millions of years. The amount we've taken out and put back into the air is a fraction of what was put into the ground over just the past 100M years.

In fact, this removal was/is a problem. Without mankind's intervention, atmospheric carbon would have dropped below the level require for photosynthesis in not too far into the future (geologically speaking, I think the forecast was ~10M years). It is very accurate to say that without the industrial era life on the earth would have run into issues.

One of the founders of Green Peace has a great discussion on this. He argues that we should be trying to extract carbon out of the ground to reverse this process and ensure a buffer, and shows how in the big picture we'd still be a levels which are historically low for the earth.

The reality is mankind will probably only develop the technology to extract enough carbon to get the earth back to where it was 100M years ago, which in the big picture is not much. Nuclear/wind/solar will be much cheaper alternatives after that because most of the carbon is just too difficult or uneconomical to get to.

Edit:
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2015/03/20/why-i-am-climate-change-skeptic