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hero member
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Bitcoin replaces central, not commercial, banks
March 07, 2015, 01:45:38 PM
Antonopoulos is out of his mind suggesting the current hashing power of the network is enough to secure a $1T Bitcoin market cap
legendary
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March 07, 2015, 12:18:10 PM
Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

But what will the value of gold be in 20 years?
Gold existed since the dawn of the man. I wouldn't worry of its cost in 20, 50 or even 500 years. Bitcoin from the other hand is around only for couple a years, and if something goes really wrong can disappear even faster.

I'm waiting for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetic_reversal to happen anytime, it's overdue and should erase all electronic data on Earth. Time to take a BTC backup to a paperwallet. But.. wait..
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March 07, 2015, 11:48:41 AM
yeah, it's funny.

i've had an order sitting @269 for almost 24h & the d*mn market just won't come down & grab it...
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March 07, 2015, 12:49:05 AM
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I still think the dollar will be sacrificed in the end to preserve the UST market ala Japan.
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Buy *all* the bonds!
uki
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March 06, 2015, 07:07:00 PM
Shucks. I was sure you were going to go for it.

Actually Bill Bonner agrees with you. He also threw in a plug for Bitcoin. I'm sure that has to do with that sub writer of his that writes for the Daily Reckoning.

I still think the dollar will be sacrificed in the end to preserve the UST market ala Japan. We'll see :

http://moneyweek.com/bill-bonner-interview/
Well, if you foresee the JPY way for the dollar, then here is the long term chart for gold: http://goldprice.org/gold-price-japan.html
Take 20 year chart, for example. Not looking bad for gold, to be honest.

As for the Bitcoin, I repeat what I wrote earlier, too little market cap to be of any significance for the dollar. As soon as it becomes big enough, watch the gold story to repeat. Rinse and repeat.
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 06:13:58 PM
that is the price of paper gold, which in the end is just worth as much as the paper on which it is written.
Probably twenty other entities have the claim to the same piece of gold, so in the big scheme of the things this price should tend to zero.

I agree with you. I think without all that manipulation, gold would be at $30000/oz.

I have a few extra ounces lying around that I'd  like to sell you for 50% off, or $15000/oz. I'm sure you'll agree that's a spectacular deal and would be anxious to take them off my hands. PM me and I'll hand deliver them to you asap.
I do have a nice stash of PMs as part of my portfolio already, and I am adding on the dips. Mainly silver though.
Don't think $30k per oz of gold is realistic, either.
Oh, and one more thing. Have a look at gold vs. € chart, to see that gold is not doing that bad as you think. Do the same for JPY vs. gold and GBP vs. gold. It is the dollar-king game.

Shucks. I was sure you were going to go for it.

Actually Bill Bonner agrees with you. He also threw in a plug for Bitcoin. I'm sure that has to do with that sub writer of his that writes for the Daily Reckoning.

I still think the dollar will be sacrificed in the end to preserve the UST market ala Japan. We'll see :

http://moneyweek.com/bill-bonner-interview/
uki
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cryptojunk bag holder
March 06, 2015, 05:56:17 PM
that is the price of paper gold, which in the end is just worth as much as the paper on which it is written.
Probably twenty other entities have the claim to the same piece of gold, so in the big scheme of the things this price should tend to zero.

I agree with you. I think without all that manipulation, gold would be at $30000/oz.

I have a few extra ounces lying around that I'd  like to sell you for 50% off, or $15000/oz. I'm sure you'll agree that's a spectacular deal and would be anxious to take them off my hands. PM me and I'll hand deliver them to you asap.
I do have a nice stash of PMs as part of my portfolio already, and I am adding on the dips. Mainly silver though.
Don't think $30k per oz of gold is realistic, either.
Oh, and one more thing. Have a look at gold vs. € chart, to see that gold is not doing that bad as you think. Do the same for JPY vs. gold and GBP vs. gold. It is the dollar-king game.
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 05:41:05 PM
on our way to new lows.  that looks glorious:

-snip-
that is the price of paper gold, which in the end is just worth as much as the paper on which it is written.
Probably twenty other entities have the claim to the same piece of gold, so in the big scheme of the things this price should tend to zero.

I agree with you. I think without all that manipulation, gold would be at $30000/oz.

I have a few extra ounces lying around that I'd  like to sell you for 50% off, or $15000/oz. I'm sure you'll agree that's a spectacular deal and would be anxious to take them off my hands. PM me and I'll hand deliver them to you asap.
uki
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cryptojunk bag holder
March 06, 2015, 04:53:57 PM
on our way to new lows.  that looks glorious:

-snip-
that is the price of paper gold, which in the end is just worth as much as the paper on which it is written.
Probably twenty other entities have the claim to the same piece of gold, so in the big scheme of the things this price should tend to zero.
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 04:48:49 PM
on our way to new lows.  that looks glorious:

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March 06, 2015, 04:44:48 PM
Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

But what will the value of gold be in 20 years?

The immutable value of shiny gold in 20 years will be the same as 1000 or 2000 years ago.

It will get you food, clothing, shelter, and intimate companionship.

Gold is proof of work, being born in a quasar or other extreme cosmic event.

SHA256 and ECC will be broken and forgotten long before we can duplicate the power of a supernova.
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 04:41:34 PM
Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

But what will the value of gold be in 20 years?
Gold existed since the dawn of the man. I wouldn't worry of its cost in 20, 50 or even 500 years. Bitcoin from the other hand is around only for couple a years, and if something goes really wrong can disappear even faster.
uki
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March 06, 2015, 04:36:38 PM
Gold getting smashed. And rightfully so.

 Welcome to the Age of Bitcoin.  
I am afraid gold and Bitcoin are on the same side of barricade. The wrong one. The one against dollar.
Dollar is painted as the king, thus gold must be smashed, this time on the job report. and no matter the results from the previous month were corrected - lowered by 30 thousands. Show must go on, let's kick the can further.
As soon as Bitcoin emerges as a real alternative to the dollar (which is very far from, atm), expect the same. Rinse and repeat.
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March 06, 2015, 04:26:21 PM
Gold is not doing bad in EUR

And keep in mind gold has done great over 20 years, when there was no Bitcoin

Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

Major reason for gold weakness is: MANIPULATION VIA PAPER GOLD

90+% of gold transactions is paper gold, futures etc; gold is created from thin air via paper certificates and sold short....the papers can never be redeemed for real gold just fiat money, therefore this can be done in an unlimited amount

Now with BTC this is impossible, because no paper BTC exist, cannot exist due to limited amount and deflationary behaviour

BTC and Gold both deserve to exist but not fiat money  Angry

Well then shouldn't we do away with gold entirely since it is so easily gamed?

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March 06, 2015, 04:16:00 PM
Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

But what will the value of gold be in 20 years?
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 04:13:13 PM
Gold is not doing bad in EUR

And keep in mind gold has done great over 20 years, when there was no Bitcoin

Gold will exist in 20 years, BTC not sure

Major reason for gold weakness is: MANIPULATION VIA PAPER GOLD

90+% of gold transactions is paper gold, futures etc; gold is created from thin air via paper certificates and sold short....the papers can never be redeemed for real gold just fiat money, therefore this can be done in an unlimited amount

Now with BTC this is impossible, because no paper BTC exist, cannot exist due to limited amount and deflationary behaviour

BTC and Gold both deserve to exist but not fiat money  Angry
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March 06, 2015, 04:04:29 PM


This chart is highly missleading. Why did you choose such an arbitrary zoom?
It is like you are implying that all people bought at exactly 900 USD.

Because troll.
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March 06, 2015, 03:53:08 PM
We should use bitcoin, amazing store of value for the average joe.





This chart is highly missleading. Why did you choose such an arbitrary zoom?
It is like you are implying that all people bought at exactly 900 USD.
legendary
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March 06, 2015, 03:04:19 PM
We should use bitcoin, amazing store of value for the average joe.





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March 06, 2015, 02:16:50 PM
We should use bitcoin, amazing store of value for the average joe.



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