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legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
February 19, 2015, 12:56:06 PM
What I've never understood is why those who generally take a more collectivist view, can not just leave those who take more of an individualist view alone? What is it to Wendell, and the many like him, that make him want to force his world view on others? Why can't he just say "I disagree with crypto-currency and think it will fail" and leave it at that? So what is it to him if a minority of people decide to transact and use a different system? Is it some sense of moral superiority, or insecurity and the need to be right, or is it a fear that if individualists are allowed to choose their own path and live-and-let-be that more will join them and the collectivists will slowly run out of people to rob from?

As you can see, there are many splendid reasons for the collectivist to choose from. I'll add another big one: the fear of watching the outsider succeed. When you've lived your life according to what your parents, teachers, priests and peers have told you - you might have a safe spot in society and respect of your peers. Yet at the same time feel like you've wasted your potential. Not lived up to what could have been. Didn't do that round the world trip or write that book. So when you see someone trying to forfeit the cozy spot in society and the respect of their peers in order to try and grasp that singular, unique something their heart desires...you want them to fail. Because if they should succeed, it throws your whole life and what you have achieved into grave doubt and makes you question your self-image. And if there is one thing we can't bear to part with it is our illusions about ourselves.

legendary
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February 19, 2015, 12:44:52 PM
Hive wallet is running a Bitcoin crowdfunding campaign on Lighthouse: https://mac.hivewallet.com/crowdfunding/

That's funny, cuz the CEO of Hive doesn't think Bitcoin should be valuable, nor considered money:

...
We at Hive agree that so-called crypto-currency is not money—even if it can be used that way, and even if it is sometimes convenient to describe it that way. We're actively working on our language, but let me be crystal-clear about that perspective now.

I know that $1,000,000/BTC was an exit strategy for a handful of people, but there's nary a prayer of it playing out that way. We of Earth love our novelty, and I in particular find the idea of artificial digital scarcity so painfully fucking boring that I'm going to spend my time making your world view more difficult to sustain, as both a career and a hobby.

What I've never understood is why those who generally take a more collectivist view, can not just leave those who take more of an individualist view alone? What is it to Wendell, and the many like him, that make him want to force his world view on others? Why can't he just say "I disagree with crypto-currency and think it will fail" and leave it at that? So what is it to him if a minority of people decide to transact and use a different system? Is it some sense of moral superiority, or insecurity and the need to be right, or is it a fear that if individualists are allowed to choose their own path and live-and-let-be that more will join them and the collectivists will slowly run out of people to rob from?

If you read the crowdfunding info page (specifically "Why Lighthouse?"), it says there that I'm really doing this independently. I'm collaborating with Hive Labs to some extent, and we're keeping this under the same brand, but technically I no longer work for Hive Labs, that's why I need another way to fund the development.

Thanks for the development and making a viable wallet on the Mac platform. I'm not a Mac person but think it's great the platform has this.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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February 19, 2015, 12:24:25 PM
Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."





http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/05/27/mtgox-willy-markus/
I follow this guy on twitter and I admire him, but the article doesn't make much sense:

"For a pump and dump, there has to be a quick pump (buy action) to generate mass momentum, followed by a dump.
In this case, there was no quick pump; the buy orders were deliberately smeared across a very long time period. And there was no dump until the very end stage.
It's as simple as that. No fast pump, no dump, therefore not a pump and dump."


^^^What? This is false. A pump&dump doesn't have to be executed quickly to be a pump&dump, unless we are talking half a year to a year. The $1200 pump lasted two to three months. 2-3 months is a small time frame for a pump of that magnitude.

Large buys like those WILL have a BIG impact on the price, whether made in smaller chunks or not (impossible to buy that quantity of coins in a few market buys, literally impossible).


Also, is the author completely ignoring the fact that one of the mtgox bots (markus I believe) was buying with FAKE FIAT (amounts of money mtgox didn't actually have)? He didn't mention that.
Markus bought a gigantic quantity of BTC basically for free and Emin argues that that doesn't indicate any fraudulent activity?

you don't know it was FAKE FIAT.

gox could've been buying on behalf of a large whale.  plus, volumes on Chinese exchanges were large at the time.
full member
Activity: 462
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★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!
February 19, 2015, 11:40:37 AM
Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."





http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/05/27/mtgox-willy-markus/
I follow this guy on twitter and I admire him, but the article doesn't make much sense:

"For a pump and dump, there has to be a quick pump (buy action) to generate mass momentum, followed by a dump.
In this case, there was no quick pump; the buy orders were deliberately smeared across a very long time period. And there was no dump until the very end stage.
It's as simple as that. No fast pump, no dump, therefore not a pump and dump."


^^^What? This is false. A pump&dump doesn't have to be executed quickly to be a pump&dump, unless we are talking half a year to a year. The $1200 pump lasted two to three months. 2-3 months is a small time frame for a pump of that magnitude.

Large buys like those WILL have a BIG impact on the price, whether made in smaller chunks or not (impossible to buy that quantity of coins in a few market buys, literally impossible).


Also, is the author completely ignoring the fact that one of the mtgox bots (markus I believe) was buying with FAKE FIAT (amounts of money mtgox didn't actually have)? He didn't mention that.
Markus bought a gigantic quantity of BTC basically for free and Emin argues that that doesn't indicate any fraudulent activity?
full member
Activity: 145
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February 19, 2015, 11:38:01 AM
Hive wallet is running a Bitcoin crowdfunding campaign on Lighthouse: https://mac.hivewallet.com/crowdfunding/

That's funny, cuz the CEO of Hive doesn't think Bitcoin should be valuable, nor considered money:
If you read the crowdfunding info page (specifically "Why Lighthouse?"), it says there that I'm really doing this independently. I'm collaborating with Hive Labs to some extent, and we're keeping this under the same brand, but technically I no longer work for Hive Labs, that's why I need another way to fund the development.
legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1000
Want privacy? Use Monero!
February 19, 2015, 11:36:34 AM
Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Should cross at about $850  this year  :p
don't see that happening. A short v-type break in gold towards $1000 may be in the cards, but $850 is a far off bet. Despite what many perma-bears say.
So gold-BTC cross would have to happen higher and very likely not in 2015.

faites vos jeux

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/goldbtc-parity-guessing-game-guess-and-win-some-btc-current-jackpot-70mbtc-336761
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
February 19, 2015, 11:17:22 AM
Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."





http://hackingdistributed.com/2014/05/27/mtgox-willy-markus/
legendary
Activity: 1722
Merit: 1004
February 19, 2015, 11:01:17 AM
Hive wallet is running a Bitcoin crowdfunding campaign on Lighthouse: https://mac.hivewallet.com/crowdfunding/

That's funny, cuz the CEO of Hive doesn't think Bitcoin should be valuable, nor considered money:

...
We at Hive agree that so-called crypto-currency is not money—even if it can be used that way, and even if it is sometimes convenient to describe it that way. We're actively working on our language, but let me be crystal-clear about that perspective now.

I know that $1,000,000/BTC was an exit strategy for a handful of people, but there's nary a prayer of it playing out that way. We of Earth love our novelty, and I in particular find the idea of artificial digital scarcity so painfully fucking boring that I'm going to spend my time making your world view more difficult to sustain, as both a career and a hobby.
full member
Activity: 462
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★Bitvest.io★ Play Plinko or Invest!
February 19, 2015, 09:45:10 AM
Interesting:

"Another interesting fact that caught Wizsec’s eyes was the Willy’s static nature during the Japanese sleeping hours. The Mt. Gox bot was supposed to be automatic, but as it turns out there was hardly any trading activity. This speculation multiplied the belief that the bot was actually being controlled manually — probably by Mark Karpeles."



uki
legendary
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cryptojunk bag holder
February 19, 2015, 09:41:22 AM
Significant short term reversal in gold fortunes overnight:
-snip-
Well, we had exactly opposite movement  (of even bigger range) yesterday on the release of FOMC minutes. Gold is very volatile asset in the last 3+ years, and such daily swings are nothing weird, neither positive nor negative. As I wrote in this thread, I believe, we have to wait till the end of Febraury to have more clear picture on the mid-term trend, as the calendar is full of events that may affect the price of gold.
legendary
Activity: 1764
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February 19, 2015, 09:30:42 AM
Significant short term reversal in gold fortunes overnight:

legendary
Activity: 1764
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February 19, 2015, 08:01:42 AM
Finally capitulated and got a Trezor. Very cool.

I think they are cool. It's just like a locked down tiny computer whose sole purpose is to keep private keys safe and sign things. The same technology that makes bitcoin security easy can be used for everything else where a private key needs to be kept secret. BitID, Password Manager app, pgp, encryption, and others. Perhaps the first "personal crypto-computer"? By having it's own secure display and a pin that can't be stolen by spyware, and with locked down firmware, you can be certain what message you are signing.

I can't wait to sign into a website with no password and be impossible for anyone to impersonate me! And the bonus is that websites who use key auth means there is no password to steal. All they get is the ID/public key.



I'm sure you're following Steve Gibson's SQRL  project.  There's also a Bitcoin variant of this also. 
uki
legendary
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cryptojunk bag holder
February 19, 2015, 05:29:36 AM
Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy

You mean Today? It is a little bit better but in 2 weeks, Gold lost all its previous gains of the last 2 months.
that is exactly my point. Gold failed to break 1320 level to the upside and then slipped down through all important 1250 level and MA in the 1220s area. The day before yesterday even 11 handle was seen for a moment, so that is quite a retrace from the most recent local high. As I already said the last two weeks of February are full of events that will have the influence on the gold price. Only, if gold at least holds above 1230 we may think about further move to the upside. In the opposite direction, the most important support sits at 1180 level. Breaking down there, means retesting the main low in the 1130 area once again.
hero member
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February 19, 2015, 04:53:56 AM
Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy

You mean Today? It is a little bit better but in 2 weeks, Gold lost all its previous gains of the last 2 months.
uki
legendary
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cryptojunk bag holder
February 19, 2015, 04:08:06 AM
Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy
gold and silver should hold a week or two more to give any hope for a retest of recent high (1307 in gold). taking into account historical charts (with 40+ years of data), there is still time for the upside movement until the end of April.
hero member
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February 19, 2015, 03:43:15 AM
Gold and silver are looking good at the moment, DXY looks toppish and EUR looks like it may recover. We'll see what happens but I have my fingers stuck order buttons with my btc. Cheesy
uki
legendary
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cryptojunk bag holder
February 19, 2015, 03:39:34 AM
Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Should cross at about $850  this year  :p
don't see that happening. A short v-type break in gold towards $1000 may be in the cards, but $850 is a far off bet. Despite what many perma-bears say.
So gold-BTC cross would have to happen higher and very likely not in 2015.
donator
Activity: 2772
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February 19, 2015, 01:58:41 AM
Do we ever expect BTC to be above gold again?
If yes, then when?

Don't know about we, but I expect BTC to tade above gold in 2016 (maybe even this year, but not very likely).
hero member
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February 19, 2015, 01:46:52 AM
Finally capitulated and got a Trezor. Very cool.

I think they are cool. It's just like a locked down tiny computer whose sole purpose is to keep private keys safe and sign things. The same technology that makes bitcoin security easy can be used for everything else where a private key needs to be kept secret. BitID, Password Manager app, pgp, encryption, and others. Perhaps the first "personal crypto-computer"? By having it's own secure display and a pin that can't be stolen by spyware, and with locked down firmware, you can be certain what message you are signing.

I can't wait to sign into a website with no password and be impossible for anyone to impersonate me! And the bonus is that websites who use key auth means there is no password to steal. All they get is the ID/public key.

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