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legendary
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October 14, 2014, 02:06:17 PM
the most exciting news of the last week and a half is that Bitcoin is moving UP while stocks are moving down.

that is fundamental...
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 02:00:15 PM
Bitcoin will be used as money only because it is a sensitive subject and elite may not want to mess with it once its set in place.. but other coins such as ethereum and bitsharesx can go ahead and try to capture businesses/stock markets/exchanges all in a distributed manor using the blockchain... this way there are specific solutions to domains rather than a 1 size fits all pony.
Has Ethereum(sp?) decided on how it's going to secure itself yet?...

not that i'm aware.  but isn't that the most astounding thing?  collect all that investment money and nobody knows how it will be secured?  just shows how immature their code must be.

It only takes a reasonable code.. ^^

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while the Ethereum Team will make reasonable efforts to complete the Ethereum software, it is possible that an official completed version of the Ethereum Platform may not be released and there may never be an operational Ethereum Platform.
https://www.ethereum.org/pdfs/EtherProductPurchaseAgreement.pdf
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 01:40:09 PM
Bitcoin will be used as money only because it is a sensitive subject and elite may not want to mess with it once its set in place.. but other coins such as ethereum and bitsharesx can go ahead and try to capture businesses/stock markets/exchanges all in a distributed manor using the blockchain... this way there are specific solutions to domains rather than a 1 size fits all pony.
Has Ethereum(sp?) decided on how it's going to secure itself yet?...

not that i'm aware.  but isn't that the most astounding thing?  collect all that investment money and nobody knows how it will be secured?  just shows how immature their code must be.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
October 14, 2014, 01:31:39 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

that's a much better way to put it.

LOL @ esperanto.  there are SOME small differences... like being able to accept Bitcoin using your phone in about 5 min.  Compare that to learning esperanto (2+ years), or even accepting a credit card (a week+ for the signup & to receive the reader, etc).

This is a wonderful experience that I repeat as often as I can.  I tend to wear some bitcoin bling most of the time.  A key chain, a pin, something.
I get a question about it from a stranger.  Rather than answer, I offer to show them.

"Do you have a phone?  A smart phone?"

And it goes from there.  5 minutes later, they have some bitcoin, and something to show off to their friends.
They are hooked.

I need some Bitcoin bling.  I need a tee that says "Ask me about BTC" or "I'll sell you some BTC".  I don't want some politically edgy slogan, and I don't want to pay $25 + shipping for a $5 shirt.  Same for keychain or pin.  What did you buy?

I have a lot of bitcoin stuff.
Tshirts from most of the conferences from the last few years, button, hats stickers, the Key Chain is made by a friend of mine.
One of the other catchy ones is the Bitcoin Specie.  I keep a few in my pocket and when I pull out my change there they are.   Cashiers are very likely to ask, they deal with money all day long.

Cashiers also make great local bitcoiners.  With their managers permission they can put up a little Bitcoin Accepted here sign in front of their register, take your bitcoin and drop their own money in the till.  Makes a little profit for them too.

This is our biggest untapped adoption expansion IMHO, the independant cashier.  When the manager realizes that they get more business because of that cashier, The manager is happy, the cashier gets promoted, gets attention, it spreads organically.
FNG
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October 14, 2014, 01:25:10 PM
Bitcoin will be used as money only because it is a sensitive subject and elite may not want to mess with it once its set in place.. but other coins such as ethereum and bitsharesx can go ahead and try to capture businesses/stock markets/exchanges all in a distributed manor using the blockchain... this way there are specific solutions to domains rather than a 1 size fits all pony.
Has Ethereum(sp?) decided on how it's going to secure itself yet?...
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 01:22:58 PM
no growth here; again.  the sweet smell of Deflation:

legendary
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October 14, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
Bitcoin will be used as money only because it is a sensitive subject and elite may not want to mess with it once its set in place.. but other coins such as ethereum and bitsharesx can go ahead and try to capture businesses/stock markets/exchanges all in a distributed manor using the blockchain... this way there are specific solutions to domains rather than a 1 size fits all pony.
FNG
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October 14, 2014, 01:00:15 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

If you ask me, the only app. Other app types may have a need for distribution and security, but that could have been (and have been) done before nakamotos whitepaper. The money is the invention, an invention that the world sorely needs.


yep, i'm up to btwn 70-80% confident in my own think-box that my thesis is going to come true:

"The Blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money"-cypherdoc

there are so many posts in this thread that i can't even find where i gave all the reasons why several months back.

Here's my prediction:  You are going to look back on that statement as your  "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" statement. :-)

Agreed. Although I think money and SoV is by far the most important "app" which demands the highest level of security..the high level of security will draw everyone building useful apps that cut out the middlemen in a variety of ways to our blockchain.

Therefore the money ledger become the ultimate ledger for the IoT

legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:55:57 PM
... I think these guys are actually using blockchain-as-a-technology as a way to assess sentiment.  ...


I think you're right. It may not be conscious, per se, but I think a lot of people are realizing: "Hmm...there really may be something completely new, and potentially world-changing here", but they still feel reputational risk associating themselves with the negative headlines bitcoin has received over the years. Unfortunately the negative headlines will stick in finance people's minds longer than the positive ones, but I think we're (finally) on the way out of that.
FNG
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October 14, 2014, 12:53:05 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.

yeah, i think you're right.  especially with all of us pounding the education drum.  and you know banker-types are trawling this very forum.

another key point is that 275 appears to be the bottom for this protracted bear.  as we grind higher, the financially astute will start to take notice yet again and put 2 and 2 together.

The bitcoin price is now being covered by mass media. The love a climbing price so imo if we break into the 500's in the next 1-2 weeks we'll begin a huge rally off of the new found understanding of bitcoin and purely for the fact that we're going up...and we're much lower than where we came from.

When people on cnbc are recommending bitcoin and their picks blow the other picks out of the water..people start listening

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078625

i love that those guys have been talking about and speculating on Bitcoin for quite some time now.  alot of ppl tune in to them and it's great advertising.

It's massive. Now only if HNW newletters will start recommending it. Faber and Casey Research could be a good start.



and Boom
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:51:58 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

If you ask me, the only app. Other app types may have a need for distribution and security, but that could have been (and have been) done before nakamotos whitepaper. The money is the invention, an invention that the world sorely needs.


yep, i'm up to btwn 70-80% confident in my own think-box that my thesis is going to come true:

"The Blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money"-cypherdoc

there are so many posts in this thread that i can't even find where i gave all the reasons why several months back.

Here's my prediction:  You are going to look back on that statement as your  "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers" statement. :-)
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:44:26 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

If you ask me, the only app. Other app types may have a need for distribution and security, but that could have been (and have been) done before nakamotos whitepaper. The money is the invention, an invention that the world sorely needs.


yep, i'm up to btwn 70-80% confident in my own think-box that my thesis is going to come true:

"The Blockchain may only ever be applicable to Bitcoin as Money"-cypherdoc

there are so many posts in this thread that i can't even find where i gave all the reasons why several months back.
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1002
October 14, 2014, 12:41:26 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.

yeah, i think you're right.  especially with all of us pounding the education drum.  and you know banker-types are trawling this very forum.

another key point is that 275 appears to be the bottom for this protracted bear.  as we grind higher, the financially astute will start to take notice yet again and put 2 and 2 together.

The bitcoin price is now being covered by mass media. The love a climbing price so imo if we break into the 500's in the next 1-2 weeks we'll begin a huge rally off of the new found understanding of bitcoin and purely for the fact that we're going up...and we're much lower than where we came from.

When people on cnbc are recommending bitcoin and their picks blow the other picks out of the water..people start listening

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078625

i love that those guys have been talking about and speculating on Bitcoin for quite some time now.  alot of ppl tune in to them and it's great advertising.
FNG
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October 14, 2014, 12:36:05 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.

yeah, i think you're right.  especially with all of us pounding the education drum.  and you know banker-types are trawling this very forum.

another key point is that 275 appears to be the bottom for this protracted bear.  as we grind higher, the financially astute will start to take notice yet again and put 2 and 2 together.

The bitcoin price is now being covered by mass media. The love a climbing price so imo if we break into the 500's in the next 1-2 weeks we'll begin a huge rally off of the new found understanding of bitcoin and purely for the fact that we're going up...and we're much lower than where we came from.

When people on cnbc are recommending bitcoin and their picks blow the other picks out of the water..people start listening

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102078625
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:34:54 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

that's a much better way to put it.

LOL @ esperanto.  there are SOME small differences... like being able to accept Bitcoin using your phone in about 5 min.  Compare that to learning esperanto (2+ years), or even accepting a credit card (a week+ for the signup & to receive the reader, etc).

This is a wonderful experience that I repeat as often as I can.  I tend to wear some bitcoin bling most of the time.  A key chain, a pin, something.
I get a question about it from a stranger.  Rather than answer, I offer to show them.

"Do you have a phone?  A smart phone?"

And it goes from there.  5 minutes later, they have some bitcoin, and something to show off to their friends.
They are hooked.

I need some Bitcoin bling.  I need a tee that says "Ask me about BTC" or "I'll sell you some BTC".  I don't want some politically edgy slogan, and I don't want to pay $25 + shipping for a $5 shirt.  Same for keychain or pin.  What did you buy?
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:31:15 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.

The infrastructure is better, but not there yet.  There are also certain segments of the population that will rush in before others.  Full adoption could take a few decades.  A first objection I often hear is that people don't want smartphones.  Sure, you could do an sms wallet, but is there one that legally operates in the US?
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:30:41 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.

and then we win.

I am so confused in this world of race-to-the-QE-bottom, and where US, EU, China, Russia pairs have serious trust issues why these IMF economists don't realize that Bitcoin the currency is the only solution.  Even a currency backed by gold fails because gold must sit in a vault in some country and could be filled with tungsten rods as soon as the inspector is gone.  In fact, its so obvious that I think these guys are actually using blockchain-as-a-technology as a way to assess sentiment.  There is either going to be NO global currency, or its going to be bitcoin...

legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:30:18 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.

yeah, i think you're right.  especially with all of us pounding the education drum.  and you know banker-types are trawling this very forum.

another key point is that 275 appears to be the bottom for this protracted bear.  as we grind higher, the financially astute will start to take notice yet again and put 2 and 2 together.
legendary
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October 14, 2014, 12:28:29 PM
here we have a peek that Bitcoin may in fact sneek in the backdoor and become the world's reserve currency unbeknownst to the IMF and banksters.  they are adopting the Andreas way of looking at Bitcoin (the currency as simply the first app), which i still maintain is fundamentally in error:

There was recognition that such protocols could serve as an “initial layer” upon which platforms of fully blown payment systems could be built.

http://www.coindesk.com/imf-world-bank-panellists-discuss-block-chains-potential/

let them start building and come to the realization that the blockchain can't work w/o the currency.

Not just the first app, the foundation app.

If you ask me, the only app. Other app types may have a need for distribution and security, but that could have been (and have been) done before nakamotos whitepaper. The money is the invention, an invention that the world sorely needs.
FNG
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October 14, 2014, 12:24:37 PM
"Bitcoin, the currency, is a risky investment. But the potential of technologies that underpin it to disrupt the finance sector is looking like a safe bet. "

http://www.economistinsights.com/technology-innovation/analysis/money-no-middleman/tab/1

Therefor..bitcoin is a safebet.


This is yet another instance of the common misunderstanding among finance/econ people that the currency and the blockchain are separable.

But it's good that these people are seeing value in "the underlying technology". They did not 2 years ago.

And I suspect that sometime in the next 2 years or so, it's going to dawn on a lot of these people that you can't use the technology without the unit/currency.
Agreed. But I think it's going to happen a lot faster. Once you see value in the underlying technology it's only a matter of time before you tie things together. The world is now getting condition that the blockchain is amazing..and bitcoin..well it's just an app that may or may not survive. It shouldn't take long to flip the switch and realize that bitcoin's value makes the blockchain work.

I like what I'm seeing..just need a "AHA" moment before the masses rush in. The infrastructure is getting to the point where it's almost capable of handling the rush.
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