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legendary
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February 24, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
#33
well I asked for a tracking number on his sales thread but to no surprise it was delated.

So I will ask here: do you have the tracking number (in other words what is the tracking number)

GB requested I not share the trackinbg number "because that could be used to identify me through social engineering". Take that as you will.
I took a screenshot of the tracking info, showing times, etc (with tracking number scribbled out):

http://i.imgur.com/sj6KIBU.png

fingers crossed for you Smiley

Are you planning on having an xrf test done etc?
legendary
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The Cryptonumist
February 24, 2015, 04:33:03 PM
#32
well I asked for a tracking number on his sales thread but to no surprise it was delated.

So I will ask here: do you have the tracking number (in other words what is the tracking number)

GB requested I not share the trackinbg number "because that could be used to identify me through social engineering". Take that as you will.
I took a screenshot of the tracking info, showing times, etc (with tracking number scribbled out):

http://i.imgur.com/sj6KIBU.png
copper member
Activity: 2996
Merit: 2374
February 24, 2015, 04:23:39 PM
#31
is it not possible to use a VCC that was purchased on the forum to buy postage? The same question with a stolen credit card?

of course. Its possible ill post here tomorrow that OP is indeed a scammer, and that im a dum-dum. I truly hope that wont be the case.
my 'verification' wasn't airtight; I took a risk with a solid payoff if my intuition proves correct.

The package is now showing in the tracking system.

I wont keep feeding this fire until I receive the package tomorrow. Ill update you all asap when I do.
well I asked for a tracking number on his sales thread but to no surprise it was delated.

So I will ask here: do you have the tracking number (in other words what is the tracking number)
legendary
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The Cryptonumist
February 24, 2015, 04:20:35 PM
#30
is it not possible to use a VCC that was purchased on the forum to buy postage? The same question with a stolen credit card?

of course. Its possible ill post here tomorrow that OP is indeed a scammer, and that im a dum-dum. I truly hope that wont be the case.
my 'verification' wasn't airtight; I took a risk with a solid payoff if my intuition proves correct.

The package is now showing in the tracking system.

I wont keep feeding this fire until I receive the package tomorrow. Ill update you all asap when I do.
copper member
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February 24, 2015, 04:13:25 PM
#29
As a seller, that is my problem with escrow:  It adds an unnecessary layer of trust for me.  Granted, my reputation is nowhere near as strong as some others on this forum, but at a certain point, the need for escrow becomes blurred.  As a buyer, do you wish to trust one person with a positive reputation, or do you wish to trust two?

Also, ironically, the buyer who agreed to send 4 BTC because he is "convinced" the seller is legitimate has come under my microscope.  I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a trusted member going to great lengths to create a seemingly-credible alt account in order to use it to scam others.  For example:  Step 1) Establish, build, and maintain credibility of primary account, Step 2) create alt-account at a future date, Step 3) act suspicious toward alt account and stage a transaction in order to establish credibility of the alt account, Step 4) use alt account to scam in future without raising suspicion against the primary account, Step 5) Profit. 

I wouldn't normally assume this as a possibility, but when the first transaction is for 1 oz. gold, I have to raise an eyebrow.  The general outcome of a successful first transaction of this nature is that many people will likely assume that the chances of being scammed by the same account for any amount less than 1 oz. gold is low.  This gives the account free reign to scam up to the value of ~1 oz. gold at which the precedent was set.

I really can't blame you.

If it ever does come down to it, I would be willing to share my correspondence with GoldBits, minus my address with some trusted member. (which I suppose I could have faked with great effort..)
I almost backed out of the deal, but since GB was willing to pre-purchase the Canada Post mailing slip which provided me the tracking info, I am confident that he can be tracked down by it should a fraud investigation be launched. I know he used a credit card to pay also, for example (all traceable). The post office where he dropped it off would also have cameras, aiding in identifying the fraudster. Had the seller been located outside Canada, I would not have done the deal.

I never suspected that I myself would go under the microscope for doing the transaction; frankly if I knew there would be this much chatter, I wouldn't have gotten involved beyond the initial advice I gave.




is it not possible to use a VCC that was purchased on the forum to buy postage? The same question with a stolen credit card?
legendary
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The Cryptonumist
February 24, 2015, 04:06:45 PM
#28
As a seller, that is my problem with escrow:  It adds an unnecessary layer of trust for me.  Granted, my reputation is nowhere near as strong as some others on this forum, but at a certain point, the need for escrow becomes blurred.  As a buyer, do you wish to trust one person with a positive reputation, or do you wish to trust two?

Also, ironically, the buyer who agreed to send 4 BTC because he is "convinced" the seller is legitimate has come under my microscope.  I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a trusted member going to great lengths to create a seemingly-credible alt account in order to use it to scam others.  For example:  Step 1) Establish, build, and maintain credibility of primary account, Step 2) create alt-account at a future date, Step 3) act suspicious toward alt account and stage a transaction in order to establish credibility of the alt account, Step 4) use alt account to scam in future without raising suspicion against the primary account, Step 5) Profit. 

I wouldn't normally assume this as a possibility, but when the first transaction is for 1 oz. gold, I have to raise an eyebrow.  The general outcome of a successful first transaction of this nature is that many people will likely assume that the chances of being scammed by the same account for any amount less than 1 oz. gold is low.  This gives the account free reign to scam up to the value of ~1 oz. gold at which the precedent was set.

I really can't blame you.

If it ever does come down to it, I would be willing to share my correspondence with GoldBits, minus my address with some trusted member. (which I suppose I could have faked with great effort..)
I almost backed out of the deal, but since GB was willing to pre-purchase the Canada Post mailing slip which provided me the tracking info, I am confident that he can be tracked down by it should a fraud investigation be launched. I know he used a credit card to pay also, for example (all traceable). The post office where he dropped it off would also have cameras, aiding in identifying the fraudster. Had the seller been located outside Canada, I would not have done the deal.

I never suspected that I myself would go under the microscope for doing the transaction; frankly if I knew there would be this much chatter, I wouldn't have gotten involved beyond the initial advice I gave.



legendary
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February 24, 2015, 03:51:46 PM
#27
It is always guilty until proven innocent here unfortunately. I do see one flaw in the system though, and that is for a new user to trust someone they do not know for escrow. That said I wouldn't have personally sent that guy 4BTC upfront for an amazing deal deal on gold though...same with these Amazon guys with amazing rates.

As a seller, that is my problem with escrow:  It adds an unnecessary layer of trust for me.  Granted, my reputation is nowhere near as strong as some others on this forum, but at a certain point, the need for escrow becomes blurred.  As a buyer, do you wish to trust one person with a positive reputation, or do you wish to trust two?

Also, ironically, the buyer who agreed to send 4 BTC because he is "convinced" the seller is legitimate has come under my microscope.  I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a trusted member going to great lengths to create a seemingly-credible alt account in order to use it to scam others.  For example:  Step 1) Establish, build, and maintain credibility of primary account, Step 2) create alt-account at a future date, Step 3) act suspicious toward alt account and stage a transaction in order to establish credibility of the alt account, Step 4) use alt account to scam in future without raising suspicion against the primary account, Step 5) Profit. 

I wouldn't normally assume this as a possibility, but when the first transaction is for 1 oz. gold, I have to raise an eyebrow.  The general outcome of a successful first transaction of this nature is that many people will likely assume that the chances of being scammed by the same account for any amount less than 1 oz. gold is low.  This gives the account free reign to scam up to the value of ~1 oz. gold at which the precedent was set.
sr. member
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February 24, 2015, 03:17:54 PM
#26
Oh lord, someone actually sent 4 BTC to this guy without escrow...wow.

God I don't believe it.
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 03:10:27 PM
#25
It is always guilty until proven innocent here unfortunately. I do see one flaw in the system though, and that is for a new user to trust someone they do not know for escrow. That said I wouldn't have personally sent that guy 4BTC upfront for an amazing deal on gold though...same with these Amazon guys with amazing rates.
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February 24, 2015, 03:08:54 PM
#24
You can take the risk and make the judgement however you want but we can also make a judgement on that. There's nothing ridiculous here apart from you dealing with him without escrow especially when he has all the hallmarks of a scammer. It's a silly call to send money to a complete newb like this and I cannot fathom why you would take that risk.
legendary
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The Cryptonumist
February 24, 2015, 02:50:45 PM
#23
Just post the messages here if you want but he was deleting most posts in that thread. The guy who he sold to is very likely an alt but the bars and coins could very well be fake. You can buy the fake gold bars on ebay easily enough.


I assure you I am not an alt.
Check out my eBook that I have in my signature about Casascius coins. Im well known on the trade forums.

This is honestly getting ridiculous. Is it so difficult to believe that I can make a judgement call on a matter like this and take a risk that I see as worth taking?

The viciousness of this forum...
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 01:23:45 PM
#22
Stopping scammers is not being a troll  Roll Eyes
newbie
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February 24, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
#21
Usual scammer profile applies -

Newbie member - check
No trade history - check
Refusing Escrow - check
Wants you to send 1st - check
No pics of goods on offer - check
Goods offered at amazing price - check

1 of 4 scenarios apply -

1) Either he doesnt have the coin full stop and its a scam.
2) He has one but has no intention of sending it so a scam.
3) He has a piss poor fake/copy hoping to pass it off as the real thing.
4) Trolls couldn't stop me from selling my coin for 4BTC

http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120101114931/nonsensopedia/images/3/31/So-much-win.png
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February 24, 2015, 10:36:11 AM
#20
Just post the messages here if you want but he was deleting most posts in that thread. The guy who he sold to is very likely an alt but the bars and coins could very well be fake. You can buy the fake gold bars on ebay easily enough.
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 10:33:17 AM
#19
SCAMMER WARNING

I think that poor guy lost his 4BTC

I noticed something VERY interesting this morning!!!  Someone posted this link: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2015-high-quality-Replica-custom-1_1926641179.html

When I refreshed the page, GoldBits already deleted it!! (can an admin recover the deleted post?)

Where am I going with this???  Well I have a RCM gold bar & can vouch that each one has a unique serial #.  But these fakes don't! (see the picture on alibaba.com)

Honest GoldBits taking a photo with his RCM bars for our assurance.. What a kind soul! But wait: NOTICE HOW ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE COVERED?

Amazing coincidence doncha think?  Roll Eyes

The guy has delete hundreds of posts from his thread.

Fake bars can also come with serials some nice example of Pamp Suisse bars on google.
full member
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February 24, 2015, 10:28:17 AM
#18
SCAMMER WARNING

I think that poor guy lost his 4BTC

I noticed something VERY interesting this morning!!!  Someone posted this link: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/2015-high-quality-Replica-custom-1_1926641179.html

When I refreshed the page, GoldBits already deleted it!! (can an admin recover the deleted post?)

Where am I going with this???  Well I have a RCM gold bar & can vouch that each one has a unique serial #.  But these fakes don't! (see the picture on alibaba.com)

Honest GoldBits taking a photo with his RCM bars for our assurance.. What a kind soul! But wait: NOTICE HOW ALL THE SERIAL NUMBERS ARE COVERED?

Amazing coincidence doncha think?  Roll Eyes
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 08:31:58 AM
#17
Even if the sale was genuine and not a puppet account and he offers further coins at stupid prices I would not go near without escrow.

For what your paying - 20% or greater under spot I would also destructive test the gold to ensure there is no tungsten core hiding inside, you loose any coin premium but still a nice profit at melt value.

copper member
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February 24, 2015, 08:21:12 AM
#16
I don't believe this. Either very fishy or very stupid. He seems way too defensive and understanding of a newb:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10559707

I'm sure he will "receive" the coin and profess what a great service the op offered and how he's totally legit. Then more gold will likely be sold this way.

Which is why nobody should remove the negative feedback that was left. There is something wrong here. Planned long term scam?
it wouldn't need to even be that long term of a scam. The fact that there is a delay between the time payment is received means that he could potentially sell several "coins" before anyone says anything. It would only take a week or so to get a good amount of money.

It should be obvious that the person who bought the coin is somehow associated with the person selling. Anyone with any level of trading experience should know not to send first in this kind of transaction
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February 24, 2015, 03:36:01 AM
#15
I think a long con is very likely though I still don't think anyone would send him money first just based on that transaction (assuming the buyer is an alt).
legendary
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February 24, 2015, 03:30:55 AM
#14
I don't believe this. Either very fishy or very stupid. He seems way too defensive and understanding of a newb:  https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.10559707

I'm sure he will "receive" the coin and profess what a great service the op offered and how he's totally legit. Then more gold will likely be sold this way.

Which is why nobody should remove the negative feedback that was left. There is something wrong here. Planned long term scam?
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