Topic: Good without a god - page 5. (Read 2218 times)

Agreed.... Incredible design indeed...  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0

Sorry but there is a God. Just look at yourself. It's like we were designed in an amazing way. But I agree that religion made some believers do crazy things throughout history. Some are because of Christianity and some are cults. That's why even I am a Christian I just believe in God but not the context of the bible. They give it more meanings and that is why they make stupid things.

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Yeah, and you are going to suceed where Marx, Freud, Nietsche and other bright minds miserably failed. Good luck with that.

Ive heard, that Scientology is modarely succesful as money grabbing enterprise for its founders and high ranking members, you might find some inspiration there.

The fact is, that, if you even insist on the idea of good - you have to define where and how it originates and what is its opposite.

And then you have even bigger challenge ahead of you - how to legitimaze your particular worldview. At no point in history were there so many people and vast majority of them are religious - or atleast partial to any secular ideology, that tries to substitute for one.

I think it would not be good if in life in this world without gods, because that governs all life in the world all governed by the command of god, if no god means there is no world.

First, Atheism and Agnostic are not mutually exclusive... you can be an Agnostic Atheist the same as you can be an Agnostic Christian...

Theism deals with belief... what you believe is true... Gnostic means knowledge, what you KNOW is true...

You can believe god exists or doesn't exist without "knowing"... having proof/evidence, etc

EVERYONE is AGNOSTIC... not a single person knows for CERTAIN whether or not gods exists... NOBODY (anyone who says they know for certain is a liar/conman)

Atheism does not mean you have evidence that no gods exist, only that you do not have an active belief in any gods...

If you don't believe in Allah, you are an Atheist with respect to Allah... you don't believe Allah exists

If you don't believe that any gods exist, you are an Atheist...

This doesn't mean I claim to know for certain that no gods exist, but I am not on the fence either... I wouldn't call myself agnostic, because there is WAY more evidence against the existence of any gods, than for the existence of any specific god

It simply comes down to weighing the evidence... facts like evolution supports atheism... there is nothing beyond the bible to support christianity... nothing at all

I strongly disagree with you mate, religion is a private matter which is between a person and his/her god. I don't think so any religion is causing harm to the people in society. Some acts by illiterate and misguided people can't define the religion which always teaches peace and humanity.

God can be a easy way to satisfy the curiosity of a fool and keep him in place.
We need law to control the extreme stupid who hurt others in the name of god.

In the more secular countries, it's harmful effects can be limited by the law, although some still happen (like clergies abusing kids or children getting sick from not being vaccinated). It's almost always more harmful where it is the dominant force and can even halt progress (like the Church going after Galileo or Ottoman clerics basically preventing their empire from using printing press).


If you for example had a false belief that it is actually easy to win lotteries and belief you are lucky and keep playing even if you ain't winning, did the false sense of hope did you any good? Life must be rooted in reality, those who deny it almost always end up disappointed.

Somehow you your selfs is creating your own cause of death you may realized it or not(eg. You have a bad eating habit) to that alone you already are killing your body. Regardless of your religion it is still your own mindset that will allow you to continue living or not. Tho on the part which you are killed by someone that is a whole different story

I think to be atheist is not the right way to go. Being agnostic is more logical than being atheist. Not believing in anything isn't exactly logic. The logic behind not believing in something is saying "prove it", that doesn't mean said thing is wrong or right because of proof or not in this case.

You can't exactly prove god does or doesn't exist, so to be firmly entrenched as a non-believer isn't logical, because your belief is based on nothing the same as everyone else's belief that god is real is based on nothing. Both of these are based on "nothing" because it is the human history it it based on, which isn't very long. I classify what we know as not much and probably we know nothing in the grand scheme of things.

We know that we exist, we know other things/planets/space exists. If we can exist there is an infinite and not infinite amount of things that can exist. There can be a god and there could be more gods or multiple universes, we don't know much about it all yet.

Agnostic I think is the way to go.

Religion(s) are super specialized in the in-forming business, and the continuation thereof is automatic (super cheap and easy) once successfully set in motion, even for as long as 2000+ years, crossing over from generation to generation, nation to nation, continent to continent.


                                                                                 in·form: give an essential or formative principle or quality to


Let me inform you that religion is wrong and let that sink in subconsciously for a bit. Hope your ego can handle it.

A mother lion doesn't attack her cub b/c that's not good. Eh?

I believe it is possible to do good things even if you do not believe in God, but these days Athiests do some very bad things which makes it quite clear when you look at believers compared to Atheists lots of believers are calm, cool and collected and mind their own business whereas Atheists do not know things so they need to always ask questions 100% of the time, when in reality there are already answers, but when you inform them their ego gets offended because they are the one asking the questions so when you try to teach them they realize subconsciously they are wrong and their ego needs to defend itself even though they are the ones who "question everything" in the first place. (if you need to question everything, it means you know nothing)

No, I don't agree with you, do you have evidence for this claim?

Not all religions have cause an much death and suffering throughout the ages, it's mostly the so called leaders who perpetuate the doctrines for their personal gains who are the responsible for the death and suffering.

I am constantly surprised by an opinion of some people who think that if you are an atheist or agnostic then you can't be a good person.
That you need God to be truly good, what a load of crap is that - it is totally opposite - how can you truly good when you are scared that good will punish you otherwise?
I want to be a good man because this is the only way for everyone else to live in peace and harmony, how hard it is to understand for religious fanatics?

Religion does harm others...

Religious people harm homosexuals daily (previously blacks, witches, etc)

Children die all the time because their religious parents refuse to take them to the doctor, and pray instead

Religion is harmful... period... I can name you harmful beliefs from any major world religion... they are all shitty

This. If they don't have an impact on you then why do you need to mind them?

The thing is. Whatever religion or belief, Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, atheism, theism, or whatever; If a certain person is bad, whatever belief he or she may have then he/she's going to be a bad person either way. Which is mostly in the case of religious extremists, whereas those people take things very literally not figuratively, which is the case when reading the Bible/Koran/whatever bible. There are good christians and bad christians, just like there are bad muslims and good muslims, also just like there are bad atheists and good atheists.