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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

Governments will attack bitcoins in the future and that is for sure. Governments are very intelligent and criminal minded people they will only look at their profits so they are waiting for bitcoin to grow so once the bitcoin grows and reaches to the stable price they will definitely attack the bitcoin.

what governments you're talking about? not all the governments are aghainst bitcoin, many will embraces it, because they know they can gain tons of money on taxes if it become big, if not, then they will simply not care, and bitcoin will be used for a very niche market, and from nerd only

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Quote from: gripflierGO on June 13, 2015, 11:33:47 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

Governments will attack bitcoins in the future and that is for sure. Governments are very intelligent and criminal minded people they will only look at their profits so they are waiting for bitcoin to grow so once the bitcoin grows and reaches to the stable price they will definitely attack the bitcoin.

Care to elaborate more about what you meant by "attack". Thoughts I have addressed this but the worst they could do will be to either bann BTC or put on a high tax for the BTC/FIAT exchanger to discourage people.
Banning BTC will never be a succesful way for them to "attack" BTC because eventually it will just lead BTC deeper underground. Most people will still use it eventhough it has been bann i.e russia

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Quote from: gripflierGO on June 13, 2015, 11:33:47 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

Governments will attack bitcoins in the future and that is for sure. Governments are very intelligent and criminal minded people they will only look at their profits so they are waiting for bitcoin to grow so once the bitcoin grows and reaches to the stable price they will definitely attack the bitcoin.

Yes the true criminals are not the people who have a tattoos sometimes their wear a tie. That is the government officials who only want is to have a money make them selves richer than to others. And aslo doesn't care about people.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

Governments will attack bitcoins in the future and that is for sure. Governments are very intelligent and criminal minded people they will only look at their profits so they are waiting for bitcoin to grow so once the bitcoin grows and reaches to the stable price they will definitely attack the bitcoin.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

For the bolded part, it is unclear about what currency are you talking about. If what you meant is BTC then you are wrong because the governments dont control BTC but if it is their country's currency then you are wrong again because their currency's currency isnt something to be pump or dump

P.S : To be honest it is pretty hard to understand what you write , perhaps you should use google translate to help you for the "wording" of your post

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

I think goverment doesnt have a time to attack bitcoin and control it,but if it''s happened maybe they have one important reason why they did it

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 12, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

if governments would think to attack bitcoin ,well for them is pretty easy to be buying bitcoins and trying to control the price...but why they should do that?they control the currencys already....countryes make the bump and dump very easy.... and yes a pression but when bank acts all market react

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Quote from: dollarneed on June 11, 2015, 06:22:48 PM

Quote from: manselr on June 11, 2015, 10:08:02 AM

Having your bitcoins insured would be nice (Circle does that), but given that you can move your bitcoins in and out the exchange instantaneously, it's not that much of a problem. Having dollars of euros on an exchange is problem, because it takes days to move them (and it can be costly, too). Coinbase is the first exchange that guarantees dollar deposits, that's a major improvement.

How can i insured my bitcoin on circle? yeah i think coinbase is safe to stored my bitcoin,anyway coinbase is a first exchange that guarantees dollar deposites, but actually we would never safe our bitcoin anywhere the first step that excelent is withdraw your bitcoin imediately to the fiat

circle can cover your ass if you lost your balance, is in their policy, i think it's not much different than holding bitcoin on any exchange, and they will lose your coins because of their negligency, but only if it is their fault, otherwise your coins are not insured at all

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

I doubt that it will go way that far. Worst thing would be that some people will be discouraged to exchange it to FIAT and the others might still be doing it as usual. It is pretty simple to avoid it anyway because people could do a peer-2-peer exchange without involving any exchanger thus this could be use to avoid the huge tax when you are exchanging it to FIAT

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Quote from: manselr on June 11, 2015, 10:08:02 AM

Having your bitcoins insured would be nice (Circle does that), but given that you can move your bitcoins in and out the exchange instantaneously, it's not that much of a problem. Having dollars of euros on an exchange is problem, because it takes days to move them (and it can be costly, too). Coinbase is the first exchange that guarantees dollar deposits, that's a major improvement.

How can i insured my bitcoin on circle? yeah i think coinbase is safe to stored my bitcoin,anyway coinbase is a first exchange that guarantees dollar deposites, but actually we would never safe our bitcoin anywhere the first step that excelent is withdraw your bitcoin imediately to the fiat

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 11, 2015, 04:12:54 PM

Quote from: Dotakels on June 11, 2015, 09:53:10 AM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 10, 2015, 04:17:05 PM

Quote from: Dotakels on June 11, 2015, 09:53:10 AM

And we all know that government officials know the benefits that they can get if they put a tax for every transaction that will be made.

It cant be done, you as a BTC user supposed already know that this couldnt be done because each transaction is dependant and no one would know if the transaction is coming from the country or not
The only way they could benefit themselves with BTC would be by tax-ting every BTC/FIAT exchange, huge tax will then discourage most people to exchange their BTC

Making a tax that very huge to every exchanging of bitcoin will kills the user. because they earn it so hard so that they wouldn't agree with that law.

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

well soo the black market will act to allow users to get the bitcoins as to sell them ,currently able to get them on exchanges... if government take a huge step ,btc comunity will find a way to avoid them .... the same think some people declare the btc ammount holding others just dont....

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 10, 2015, 04:17:05 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on June 10, 2015, 04:17:05 PM

And we all know that government officials know the benefits that they can get if they put a tax for every transaction that will be made.

It cant be done, you as a BTC user supposed already know that this couldnt be done because each transaction is dependant and no one would know if the transaction is coming from the country or not
The only way they could benefit themselves with BTC would be by tax-ting every BTC/FIAT exchange, huge tax will then discourage most people to exchange their BTC

Making a tax that very huge to every exchanging of bitcoin will kills the user. because they earn it so hard so that they wouldn't agree with that law.

It doesnt matter if you agree or not because that is not your call to do so. Laws are the main thing government use to control his country and your job would be to bow down before the law ofcourse and ofcourse sooner or later once government start to acknowledge BTC and its threat to their economic structure then we will see a heavy tax on BTC/FIAT exchange to discourage user.

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Quote from: knowhow on June 10, 2015, 02:35:11 PM

And we all know that government officials know the benefits that they can get if they put a tax for every transaction that will be made.

It cant be done, you as a BTC user supposed already know that this couldnt be done because each transaction is dependant and no one would know if the transaction is coming from the country or not
The only way they could benefit themselves with BTC would be by tax-ting every BTC/FIAT exchange, huge tax will then discourage most people to exchange their BTC

the only way to avoid taxes is living in the street soo governement will just pay you not tax

Unfortunately this deosnt stand for a developing country where there are alot of poor people living on the street and also there is alot of taxes, eventually when you buy something of a mini store there will be tax apply to your groceries as well

The situation is even worst in developing countries as majority of the people have an average income and they have to pay taxes too so it becomes really difficult for them to save so I believe that government should wave off the taxes of the people below a certain income.

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Having your bitcoins insured would be nice (Circle does that), but given that you can move your bitcoins in and out the exchange instantaneously, it's not that much of a problem. Having dollars of euros on an exchange is problem, because it takes days to move them (and it can be costly, too). Coinbase is the first exchange that guarantees dollar deposits, that's a major improvement.

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Quote from: arallmuus on June 10, 2015, 04:17:05 PM