Topic: Government & Bitcoin - page 74. (Read 70830 times)

They can't place a fee on your coins if they don't know that you have them. The only way government will know if they receive your personal information from, for example a bitcoin exchange.
Just how government has list of all users of Mt. Gox. So please avoid exchange trading if you don't want to pay fees in the future.

Bitcoin is the first enemy of great Banks , if bitcoin growth without the banks cooporate or found
solutions to use it to earn more , there will be a big problem and i think the first reaction is
that the government make high fees on bitcoin holders .

Bitcoin Boy .

well, same here;) are you also from Europe? sorry for little of OT but I'm familiar with bitcoin because I don't believe government at all:)

Same is the situation in my country. I Don't understand why we vote such corrupt and criminal politicians who are just busy in improving their living of standard and their personal benefits comes first and after that if they have spare time they will think of country and society.

I didn't write that!

Yeah that's true. Can't afford to trust the Government in my country. Government of countries are against the adoption of bitcoin as a currency as they view it as a threat for fiat money. And they surely know that if accept bitcoin today as a currency it will take over fiat money.

you know, I think that government is the highest thread for crypto generally. they can just start accusing guys for usage, disconnect farms from electricity..when I'm watching some news time to time and see, how EU acting..well. I hope that they will not fight against it.

and yes, gov using money for regulations, taxing people and all this shit around..

Because money can change people even thw power. Peolpe cant control their feelings to have a better life even if they do a wrong things. Like the government officials they corrupted the taxes that we pay and deducted to us every month.

The rich have to pay a lot more than the poor, that's common sense, the problem is the government fucks the weak and benefits the rich, guaranteeing everything stays the same. Tax the rich worldwide, it's the only way out from this bs.

Which country doesnt have a internet access? I guess all countries sure have it anyway altough the internet so slow but still it can be used to do some trading or typing in this forum. I mean the downtown they must use it to do their works so its imposibble that nowadays people not using it

Agreed. It will still take a time for the society to accept the bitcoin as a currency. As many countries are not aware and there are many many countries who don't even have access to internet so accepting bitcoin as a currency it would definitely need more span of time.

Why do owner of the business let the government own their business?  Even if they offer a big cash i will not sell my business to them because it is my assets if i lose it how i can earn?  Even if they paid me what will happened to me if the payment for my business is gone? I think the business owners are liable what happened to your country.

Here is the problem.  The political "market" doesn't work at all like the economic market.  In fact, it works on a very basic level only, so that absolute disasters don't happen much (well -- with the exception of George W. Bush!)

As an extreme example (but showing an important point,) imagine the government owned all businesses but was completely democratic.  Among the two major candidates we vote for, one would offer OK toothpaste but terrible hamburgers, and the other would be the opposite.  So who do you vote for?  No wonder, politics always seem to disappoint.

Choice is much more fine-tuned in the economic marketplace.  That's why democracies choose to take their governments out of most business.

So what they are going to their position in government if they cant do their jobs or services? Why do you or your community to vote that government officials if the government officials not have a good job? If you or the people who live in that country not vote that person, for sure you have a good economy and a good country.

lol yeah politicians have good intentions with btc. excuse while I piss in my pants laughing.

A girl plans a birthday, and needs a cake. Her friend can bake the cake, and needs a hair styling. What a trade, if done directly, they can even talk about boys (info: sometimes called filets) when they create value. It is called direct action.

But they can also ask the government, allegedly they are the source of all value, safety and goodness at large. Hello gov, I'd like to cut my friends hair, and she wants to make me a cake. Can we do that, please?? Pretty please???

Answer: Good you asked, because, hereabout it is we who decide who can make a cake an who can do a haircut. Thank you for your assertion of our power- Let us think, can we allow that, or not? Let's check with the tax code we made in the interest of us - well ok, both of you, you can do it. Just make sure you compute the value creation, and give us a 70% cut. To be sure, we send a car of order followers, or dogs, to patrol the street outside your houses, just to make sure no value creation can exist without our cut. And at the same time, we protect you from other people who might try to extort you.

Yeah, we all love the government.

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Don't help the neighbours kid that is in distress. Call us. Indirect action is the key, nobody can do anything without us. We also decide who can fuck, by the way. So is fucking happening around here? We can't have random fucking. Around here, it is we who decide who can fuck and who can not fuck. Ask our agent, and if we can be bothered to consider the case, and if you know your bible, we might allow it, after you pay the fee.

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Serious question: Do I hate the government?

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Hey there, get me some honey.

Why do you just demand honey, why don't you go and collect the honey yourselt?

It is my honey. All the honey is mine.

How can you say that? It was I who collected it from the bees.

I own all the honey. All the berries. All the fruit. All the game.

Cheez, that is absurd, why do you think that you own everything? To me you just look like a fat guy laying around all day doing nothing. How come?

My father gave it to me.

And if I object?

I will have someone kill you. For that, he will get an ananas. Good trade. End of discussion.

I don't hate the government.  I don't really hate in general.  I don't agree with a lot of government policies here.  Also, pretty much any private organization can offer a better level of service for lower cost than any government organization can.  The government effectively monopolizes industries, do not allow competition, and then force you to do business with them, whether you want to or not.

I would prefer minimal government to no government at all.

Government policy decisions were the cause of the 2008 financial crisis (mortgage securitization, sub-prime lending), government bailed out banks, government enables war funded by debt.  IF you have a benevolent government, then its great, but we don't have that, and in that event, I prefer minimal government.

Just look at drug policy alone, which is probably the biggest failure in policy ever.  They took a small issue and turned it into a massive global issue, forced the creation of a black market, where conflict resolution needs to be done outside of the law/courts/trial/police and basically dealt with violence.  You have people in jail for selling or using drugs, to which there is no victim for the crime.  You have privatized prisons that are deep in the lobbying game for the government that need people in jail.  You basically have the police and prison guards dealing with people that have a legitimate health problem with drugs, instead of doctors or physicians.  This is all a result of pathetic and corrupt government policy, which doesn't benefit the citizens, but rather a select few that profit from it.  I can go on about a lot of other miserable failures in policy that are still not being corrected. 

There is a riot going on in Baltimore at the moment, because black people are sick and tired of being beat up and killed by police officers when they are not initiating violence.

There are some services government provides which are fine, but private organizations can always do a better job, because they need to compete for customers, where the government will simply make competition illegal and force you to do business with them.

Here is an interesting quote that I like, and find a lot of truth in: "There are no political solutions, only technological ones; the rest is propaganda"
Then think to yourself - what problem has the government solved? or rather what problem have they made worse from their intervention?

but they do certainy like its technology, because they are experimenting with it in numerous way, they will probably come up with a centralized bitcoin in the future, this coul d be a real bitcoin killer for average joe, that aren't using bitcoin now

Hahah why do you hate the government? You have an anger with government. So you mean that government are not worthless or theres nothing doing right? If you mean that what will happened to your country if there no government? Think of that.

Is that really how you see the government?  Benevolent public servants that care so deeply about the interests of its citizen that their own personal interests and career come second?  That is how it should be in an ideal world, but that is definitely not the way it is working today.

Think of teachers, whose top priority should be educating kids right?  Even in a slow economy, when they don't get the union negotiated raise they are looking for, they don't hesitate to go on strike and hold a sign instead of teaching the kids they are supposed to care about.  Not trying to talk badly about teachers in particular, but I think it's pretty naive to think that a public servant is here to serve the public.  A public servant is here to keep a job and make a living.  Serving you is priority #2.

Bitcoin goes against the foundation of many economies, that are currently maintained with monetary expansion, so it wouldn't make sense for the government to welcome bitcoin.