Topic: Graphic Artist Needed For PICISI Project (Read 3738 times)

Equinoxx has indicated that he is "backing out from [the] project. You can choose someone else." 

Although I'm very disappointed in his action, I will move forward.   


I will close this thread and start a new one to give everyone an opportunity to place their bids.

It's all about demand and supply. 

Earlier in this thread a contractor placed a bid on this job at a rate that was above the average bids submitted at the time, that same individual, as an employer made an offer to a contractor in a different thread at a rate substantially lower than any bid in that thread.   Both bids could be justified in any number of ways, what struck me was when he told me something to the effect that 'you get what you pay for', that's when I could not resist and had to quote the 'low ball bid' and inquire if the sentiment applied there too. 

When PICISI (the crowdfunding website) is completed Campaign Contractors will be able to work for campaign organizers to create, develop, and/or promote their campaign.  It's going to be a place where satisfaction and performance determine who does financially well.  In an effort to insure reasonable standards it will have a free escrow service, a comprehensive feedback system, and a reward system for contractors that do well.   

PICISI contractors will have a leg up because campaign organizers will be able to access CC funds collected to spend with campaign contractors during the campaign. 

I couldn't agree more with you.

It's not just fiverr, it's in these forums aswell. And I don't mean to point or dename, as I think that us graphics designers need to stick together.

I'm only saying that the amount of Graphics design freebies and 1$ logo/banner threads have been fairly popular. And for these people, it's a matter of getting money, and I understand that. We all need to put food on the table. But in actuality, you're hurting yourself and others who design. These people need to understand that there is a pricing equilibrium. (Time, Resources, effort and then you have to consider the fact that your image will be used long after you are done, minimum wage). When you price your design irresponsibly, you're hurting the trade overall. These designers need to consider this more. And while yes, you may get work more often, you will encourage others to compete with your pricing and thus lower the value you can expect, and eventually lower the amount of work you will get.

At the same time, Entrepreneurs need to realize, company image is the first thing a company's value is based on in these days. If your branding looks bad, it will leave a negative impression, while a good branding leaves a positive impression. If you're willing to go cheapskate on something as important as the face of your company or service, that doesn't speak well for your company overall.

And yes, I understand, you need to conserve resources. Totally understandable. But one can argue, if you cannot afford proper branding solutions, then you probably and most likely will not have resources for the rest of the project. But again, I am speaking from my experiences.

When I look around in the service forum, I see start-ups and entrepreneurs trying to find the best branding for the least amount of money. And they will find it every single time. $10 logos,  $5 banners. But they fail to realize, this will hurt them in the long run. Logos, banners, all branding should be an investment. And you won't find any halfway decent graphics designer who will work for you for $10.

Competition is very healthy and promotes a free market.

But alot of people are forgetting about wages. However, it would seem it balances itself out as the truly talented and experienced designers will always provide higher quality works. And while the few people who are talented and are willing to design under fair wage, eventually they will not.

Digital work in the global market place is extremely competitive.

It's unfair to want to value the contractors time but not the employer's time, if you value education, skills, and experience then it doesn't matter which side of the contract one is on fair is fair.  

Just to add to that. No your hourly shouldn't be adjusted because you need to give input to the project. Ideally the brief will be good and the designer good enough to interpret the brief first time.

I have to say I don't agree with fiverr at all. No one can make a living in rates like that. But if people want to do it that's fine I guess. The only problem is it pushes people's expectations of what a job costs down. Which means designers / coders etc end up working for hardly anything.

My hourly is considerably more than $15.

Are you saying your hourly rate starts ticking at the point of customer interest or at the point at which you actually start working on the project?

How about this, let's say you get $15 p/hr and I get $200 p/hr, during the back and forth that you spoke of, do you pay me for my time to explain what I want to you?

Here are some online services that I've used for a number of years with great success: oDesk.com, peopleperhour.com, guru.com, and fiverr.com. This job would have
cost me about $15 and done in 2 days max by highly experience contractor with extensive portfolio.  BTW, I never do hourly deals, only flat-rate deals, I don't like
to look over anyone's shoulders or snap a whip.  

I didn't follow my conventions in this case because this project -- PICISI, has a lot to do with cryptocurrency, and has a campaign contractor component.  Many of the contractors that have come to this thread will likely work for campaign organizers at PICISI helping them to create, develop, and or promote their campaigns at reasonable rates when the site is up and running.

Just enjoyed reading through this thread. I've got to wonder whether $100 is a high fee. Seems there's a lot of going back and forth. When you take all that in to account what's your hourly rate on this?

The best information was the sketch that you provided. And I replicated at with a Flat UI style and it was lacking creativity.
So, you have pmed me what you want me to do. I will do a rough try when I get home from university.

Sorry, I don't do skype.   I'll send you a PM if there is content you want to keep private.




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You are perfectly welcome to include your view(s) in this public discussion, I think it is enlightening, and healthy for all involved.  

I work with many different contractors from all around the world for very many years, when I look at a portfolio I am often able to see a 'fingerprint', a style, a patter to how they work.   Design work is often artistic, I like give an artist the ability to place his fingerprint on my work; sometimes the designer is less artist and more of a contractor that simply wants specs to guide them; you never know what kind of designer you have until you start seeing drafts.

You are absolutely correct, there are many things I didn't say, could have said, or should have said, but in most cases that was by design to give the designer artistic license.  As you know artistic license doesn't forbid the artist / contractor from asking for direction.  I want the contractor/designer to like what they are doing during the job, but more importantly I want the contractor to be proud of what they have done for a long time after the job is completed.

I am not one to budge in but it seems Eq is lacking creativity as he clearly just copied what I did and didn't pay attention to what you needed. Design wise his doesn't really fit a web based template. I thought you should know this.

Also it was not eq fault about the logo as you were not very descriptive of it. You need to tell the designs the image sizes needed for them.  As for filling in categories you have not even gave any details to EQ for what to put it. You want something done right you have to do your work too.

Designing does take us time and you should take the time to at least make a skeleton base with content words needed in there which will provide a x2 times faster progress. Also by doing this it eliminates your "You forgot to add details and text" from the designers (which you didn't give to them)

I know you didn't pick me but I just thought your should know this for future references when you are doing things.

Can you please add me on Skype: EquinoxxBitcoin. I am not used to working like this.

I was looking forward to seeing what your update yesterday.


Equinoxx, I indicated that "the header and footer [are] in proper perspective",  that "the sponsor logos are too big",  "we are showcasing the campaigns
 so their perspective must be larger", and "not using any sliders"  yet that translated to:


That is not what you should have gotten from my message.  

I will be more specific:

1) make the content in your header the size of the content in Skyenet's header,
2) remove specific mention of any CC that is not a sponsor
3) remove the slider
4) reduce the size of the logos substantially (they are to fit in the margin but not take up all of the space, they should be tastefully placed)
5) put in all of the campaign snapshots, those are the heart of the site, the webpage, and this project.  
    In looking at them we are better able to put the rest of the page into proper perspective.
6) replace the header "logo" with a stylized PICISI
7) center the 'Top Campaigns / Start Your Campaign / Search'
8) fill in the 'categories' in the footer with categories  
9) the social network corner was fine with the logos or as they are



thanks

I see what you said to Skyenet and I decided to just improve on it. Here it is:

Finishing up now. Give me 20 minutes.

that looks good, it puts the header and footer in proper perspective however, the sponsor logos are too big.

we are showcasing the campaigns so their perspective must be larger.   Of course we are not using any sliders.

btw you know the contract to do the job went to Equinoxx?  

Question: would it matter if the initial view is of the 8 to to 10 snapshot campaigns, then as you scroll down you get to the other content.

In this way more 'meat' (showcase campaigns) could be featured in the heart of the page. 

Just giving a little shot. For some reason the image quality was low but its very HQ on my end

I suggest you don't put so much into the footer. It's very congested. Give the social media logos a separate row. And the privacy policy and the other stuff a separate row