Topic: Gravitate selling "FUNDED" coins that are NOT FUNDED - page 4. (Read 5336 times)

So just make an arrangement and pay it. Something fucked up, just make it right and everyone can be whole again

I agree.

I am not gonna spend many words on this (too much negative energy here) but I say this:

- gravitate made some mistakes in the past but solved all problems and never did hide from them
- gravitate is an honest guy and can be trusted,he has no intend to scam anybody
- gravitate is NO scammer

This has nothing to do with forum moderators, unless you are labeling default trust members as 'moderators' (which would be the first time that I've seen this).

Why does the person have to keep the value? They can just as easily redeem it and send the funds back to you.

To send someone the coins and let them peel it and keep the value will cost me around 200 pounds. I have already lost money because of this mistake so I dont think that is very reasonable. This is a accusation. There is no funds to be recovered here (no body has lost money apart from me) but you are asking me to pay money to clear my name against  some allegations where  I have already provided evidence against it.  That is unreasonable. Since I have in the past given you free coins and also offered to fix all the mistakes I have made. It simply isnt fair. I already gave you a FREE 2 TROY OZ SILVER COIN[/font] for all the problems you had.

I do it myself I borrow a camera and film it in front of a watch with the date. Then you can see no time passes with the peeling.

I am addressing the moderators because they are the ones who will either remove the feedback or not. No funds are missing it is simply a scam accusation. I have nothing to give you. You are not missing any money of funds.


So I can borrow a camera and do it myself. But how do I make it authentic? Next to a watch is good enough?

I have been here for 3 years with a clean slate. There is no real evidence I have scammed anyone here.

What would be the point in me scamming myself? I am the only one who lost money here. After 3 years of a clean slate I put my whole reputation on the line to scam myself out of money? It makes no sense to me at all.

I am not giving away money right now so I will preffer to peel the stickers myself. Or at least ask someone to do it free for me.

If that is not ok with the moderators then I will disappear like the dirty little snake of a scammer I am and you win.  You will have single handedly ruined my reputation  and devalued all the coins I ever made out of nothing but spite. If thats what you want then you have a good chance of getting it because I dont have the energy for this anymore.

Why are you addressing Vod and not me?  
 



Yes, I returned the gilded 'B' coin for quality issues (and the other pure silver coin to have a matching serial number set).  You replaced two of my coins (now with a different/higher number).  Then, you made another mistake and printed one of the coins in the wrong color.  I wasn't about to send it back again because of all the problems I had already with gravitate throughout this past year.  I thought the coin id color was supposed to be black, not red because that is what he stated on his sales page.  But, he was thinking it should be red and not black.  He didn't tell me why he wanted to print it in red (to be more collectible).  He just did it and kept it to himself.    But, regardless, he messed up ANOTHER coin.    




If this scam was not identified and exposing you, this would NOT BE TRUE!  You would have scammed me the 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC.  Of course, because it was exposed, no one got hurt and lost any money.  That's the way you are thinking about it.  No one got defrauded because SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES YOU found the coin you didn't fund.    How does anyone know there isn't one or more coins out there that has this same mistake?  I believe there is at least one more like my coin out there that is not funded because you made a mistake.  You claiming to be the victim in this all of this is just... !




Do I need to spoon feed everything to you?  Look up, this thread isn't that long (YET)!









And, lastly, my statement/offer to resolve this:



Wow!  I didn't realize there were this many questions unanswered!  So, basically you are ignoring me.  


Exactly...pity story!  I don't see a resolution either... But, peeling the hologram and sweeping the "real" coin (funds) is a START!  It is not the end.


It's not that simple Ellen.  He isn't even answering my questions and/or directing his replies towards me.  He thinks that addressing Vod he can get this resolved.    Also, it's not JUST about the funds that were on these coins as much as about the trust of these coins now after the exposition.  Microsoul coins cannot be trusted (to be accurately funded) and gravitate cannot be trusted after showing that TWO coins were not funded whether by mistake or not.  Trust is earned.  And, it can be broken by one silly, mundane, or serious mistake.  In the bitcoin world, it is treating the private key with the utmost respect.  You mixed up the private keys.  This was it.  It's done!  It happened!  It's over.  I cannot trust ANY coins made by you now!  In the process you made me look bad by my sale to someone else when a coin was not funded at that time.  YOUR PROBLEM BECAME MY PROBLEM!  That's just not right...


I must be able to see the public address and private keys clearly in a video.  

Here is my suggestion:  Someone who wanted to buy these Russian roulette coins that didn't for one reason or another.  I ran across a few names that were thinking of buying these coins:

Eodguy149
dumbchump
MRBONG411
TheNewAnon135246
aakashsangwan

If any of them volunteer to do the recording/peeling of the hologram can keep the coins.  





"Everyone" that was effected...     If you say so...  

I will comply I just dont have the facilities. I can send them to someone who does if that is ok with everybody?
Or I could borrow a camera but how do I do it live? I mean the only way I can think of doing this is via facebook which is via a phone which means you cant see the private key anyway.

I could somehow film it next to a clock or a watch maybe? I dont know. Please tell me what is acceptable here.


I did pay everyone who is out apart from Chronisky but that is only because we haven't arranged it as yet.

Don't appeal to emotion/pity (logical fallacy). I still don't see a potential resolution out of this dispute.

I'm not entirely sure what OP wants. They've made some demands, but it doesn't seem like gravitate will comply (e.g. video of peeling).

Why dont you pay the guy whats he's out and just apologize.

Hi again Vod,

For RR2 series it was not fully determined before the sales went on hold for these coins. I was going to sell them on ebay so gambling coins may not have fit on there and been removed or got me banned. So that was not conclusive at the time but I have not sold any as the sales are on hold.

For the 0.05 coin I sold to bitenvy I did replace it yes. I decided to make 1 of the coins text in red so one person had something different and potentially more collectable. when I replaced the coin with a new priivate key I for got to make the text red again. I offered to replace it again:



I sold 4 coins and made something like 40 pounds. Because I made this mistake I refunded 2 of them and only made 20 pounds profit and I lost the cost of the material of the coin etc (all costs associated with making these coins that were lost). I am the only  person who lost money because of this mistake. If I had wanted to mislead someone I could have sent MJ 2 more coins that have different private keys on. After all I fully knew he did not win. But I didn't I took the loss upon myself and I did not make any new coins to replace them with. I should be glad I didnt because surely that supports my case right now?

I didn't realise the mistake was made because I have been ill and I have left coins alone for a bit. If I had realised I could have organised it so I can then make profit as opposed to losing money - or at least got the money back I paid for the coins.

I don't know what questions I have ignored I am simply stating evidence available that helps towards you making a decision about if I scammed anyone here.

Because I have sent him coins he is not trying to insinuate all the coins I sold have funding issues. That is not fair. Not to me or anyone else who bought coins from me.

I have put coin making on hold due to my health and the pain killers I am taking. Tramadol really messes your head up and I have been on them in heavy doses since last Christmas.  When I realized it was effecting my coin making I stopped. I dint ask to be ill or intentionally  mislead anyone.  I am still here and I am still sorting out my mistakes.

Everyone who knows me personally knows what I am facing and would certainly frown against this tarnishing of my name.

Regards,

Gravitate can’t even explain it clearly.  

First, SRR #2 COINS ARE NOT ALL funded.  All SRR1 and SRR2 are lottery coins.  Only one coin was supposed to be FULLY funded (non-lottery) and it was my coin.  That’s ironic because it really wasn't!  Why do I keep having to fix his mistakes?  Second, he shouldn’t segregate by colors if he can’t accurately describe what he is selling, print the right color on the correct coin and send the correct coin to the correct person.  But, he messed up on all of these for my coin.  There is also a SRR3 #6 THAT CLEARLY IDENTIFIES MY COIN.  So, you printed the WRONG NUMBER, IN THE WRONG COLOR, ON THE WRONG COIN, AND SUPPOSEDLY SENT IT TO THE WRONG PERSON.  It was NOT labeled just SRR #6 as you are leading everyone to believe. This image would have been useful before you sold the coins.    Everything has to be explained after your “mistakes”.  Why is that?  



I'm really tired of re-hashing the same thing over and over again...A SERIOUS (funding) mistake that you made and someone else found.  This isn’t just an accidental sending of the wrong coin because ONLY ONE SRR coin was funded and the rest were NOT.  This is the problem you cannot seem to grasp!  If the entire series was unfunded or all lottery, I can understand.  That didn’t happen and I was the one affected!  How does a coin get sent to MinerJones that doesn’t turn up and then ALSO sent to me and/or sitting in your office??     Unless you made TWO OR THREE OF THE SAME COINS!  Hmmm….      This is really all the proof I need to show that you are scamming.  And, your words are proving it.  



You admitted to losing them, now.  So, you lost the coins or you mailed the coins?  Which is it?  I thought they were sent?    :-/  But, then, the final story is they are magically on your desk waiting to be sent to Digicoinuser and chronicsky!  Of course!   LOL

So, answer me this, why didn’t you notice you had these coins in your office this whole time and fix the problem 2-3 months ago and ship me the correct coins BEFORE SOMEONE HAD TO PEEL OFF THE HOLOGRAM??  I believe the answer is they were never in your office and/or you created a new set in the last week.  And, if you did do this, then this proves you are keeping a copy of the private keys which should be ANOTHER RED FLAG because coin makers should ALWAYS DESTROY THE PRIVATE KEY ONCE THE COIN HAS BEEN MADE!!!  I want the funds swept on both coins.  But, all I am getting is more excuses.  



Gravitate doesn’t know what the definition of scam is.  The official definition is “a fraudulent or deceptive act“. This was a HIGHLY DECEPTIVE act.  Who’s AFFECTED (not effected)?  Digicoin WAS affected.  Chronicsky WAS/IS affected.  I AM affected.  Possibly a lot more who have purchased your coins in the past because this accusation clearly shows there are inconsistencies, problems, errors, mistakes and deception with buying your coins.  Just look through some of your latest sales threads!  It seemed like everyone was having these problems.  This is an accusation that you deceived me!  Others can speak for themselves and maybe they don’t feel deceived or don’t want to bring it up publicly.  I am the bad guy reporting this.  And, all Microsoul coin holders probably aren’t happy with me.  I know this.  But, I’m doing what I feel is right.  I will be the bad guy if this brings to light a coin seller who is deceiving its customers.  And, you are (at the very least me).  This will be the last time I say this!  I bought the coin from you the coin was NOT funded.  I sold the coin, the buyer asked for a refund for the coin value (0.16BTC) that wasn’t on the coin because I advertised it as funded because I thought it was funded from YOU!  It was NOT funded.  This was NOT a “slight” problem as you see with this accusation.  The mistake would never have been discovered and you would still had the 0.16BTC and 0.083BTC if I hadn’t sold this coin.  That’s called deception all the way through and through.  And, now others see it too.

You can’t keep TRYING to fix the situation by throwing BTC at other people as a peace offering.  But, yet I am the one in the middle of this and you do nothing to appease me because you only care about your reputation.  That’s what is sad.  


THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS HIGHLY DECEPTIVE!!!  

And, the reason for the accusation which doesn't appear to be going away anytime soon.  I am sorry if you don't agree.

I have thought of one more way I will take this accusation down.  I will not be removing the negative trust, it will stay!  Gravitate has the option to buy all of my remaining coins back so I don’t have the worry about any of my other coins that are not funded and any other seller blaming me for them not being funded.  But, I have a feeling I would have a problem with this as well as he would find some kind of excuse not to pay me out of spite (even with escrow).  

There have been questions ignored by gravitate which shows he will not do anything to get the scam accusation removed.  He will not put his reputation on the line with stating there are no more “mistakes” because he knows and I know there are.  

I’m just trying to protect others from a similar problem when they open their coin’s hologram in 3, 5, 10 years when bitcoin price is (hopefully) much, much higher than it is today.  It may not be a problem today because it is only $100 today.  It may be $1000 or $10,000 in 2020.  No one knows...

Hi Vod,
I would like to explain a little more about the situation and illustrate it in an easier way to understand.
Here is an illustration of the series of coins I made. Basically bitenvy was sent RR1 set rather than RR3 set.



One thing I didn’t make clear was how you would tell the difference between the 3 sets. The way you can is by the text on the back of the coin. The text is exactly how illustrated above. Im the original thread I changed the color of the coins for sale to illustrate this and also I replied with this:



I would now like to analyse existing evidence that I have not tried to scam anyone and that this is just a mistake. I sold Series 1 coins to MinerJones and basically they didnt turn up, I refunded him and by accident sent them to bitenvy instead of the RR3 set.


EVIDENCE 1
MinerJones bought and paid for the RR1 pair. He did not receive them and I refunded him thinking I lost the coins. Proof is here:



EVIDENCE 2
I released the public kets of the RR3 pair which are here



Srr3
1QJANSJ8whtrwLuHVyi3dpUdTwczrvamUm
Brr3
1CaUkQTaUjDF58qo2fP3PTTV2yApQiBBah
You can see they are still both funded.

EVIDENCE 3

The coin that was received and opened by digicoinuser was not part of the released public keys
Actual public key was:
Private key is:  L1oEBAxDPAHLKoexoJuGfNMoM7Bwttvc7Tnz4BYWYTWss6kNvGAc and MATCHING public key is:  1iWE27m4WYDX4hZeyHSKPAuN4mcnKKLEJ

This is not listed in this release:



EVIDENCE 4

You can see here that I have taken a photo of (on the original for sale thread) #5 S RR – please note that this is in exactly the same format as the coin that digicoinuser found. It is not likely to be part of another series because if it was there would be zero way to identify between the coins. For a coin maker that’s not just a stupid mistake it’s a ridiculously stupid mistake.


EVIDENCE 5

Here are the REAL RRS3 coins that are still funded.

http://imgur.com/Auh4DKc

http://imgur.com/lGtutXi


http://imgur.com/6dmcqab

I would now like to ask who has been detrimentally effected here and what makes this a scam? It is my understanding someone must have lost monies to be scammed. But I will leave that up to your judgment.

Bitenvy – had a slight problem with the release of the escrow. Was not called a scammer. Has not lost any money or bitcoin.
Digicoinuser - had a slight problem with the release of the escrow. Was refunded the Bitcoin value
Chronisky – I will honour the value of the Bitcoin that he expected to be loaded on the coin.
MinerJones- Bought the coins bitenvy received accidentally. MJ was refunded the full purchase price.


I would like to apologies for this mistake of sending the coins out. Also as for peeling the Real SRR3 set well I don’t have the facilities to do it. I have a CAT android phone and the camera is not that great so you wouldn’t be able to read the private key anyway.
What I propose to do if you still think this issome sort of scam are these:

1.   Let chronisky peel his coin and he will have this address #6 B RR                  
compressed                                                   bitcoin address
1EN66vah1crJktsJyFXskk9oFK2BkqyoTy          1KbvnJkYXRNntDyYh78YUMcG4Sd8mXNxd
2.   As I don’t have the facilities here I am more than prepared to ship the coins to someone else to do this. I suggest I ask someone a favour to do this.

Vod I will await your decision on the matter and I will do what ever you want to prove this isn’t a scam.

Thanks,
Regards,

If he does this I can remove the red trust.  I'll wait for his legal team to contact me.

I have already made a few requests which have not been followed through by gravitate.  

1)  Video in real-time of the redemption of the REAL SRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) AND BRR3 #6 (RED TEXT) that he "found" recently.  These two coins need to be redeemed NOT SOLD!  He needs to sweep these amounts away from the original coins that were "recently found".  He is attempting to sell/give these away to digicoinuser and chronicsky.  That's not fair to me.  Yes, I am no longer the owner any more, but it made me look bad in this situation because of this mistake.  

2)  Answer my above questions regarding any more mistakes on public/private keys.  He knows he can't because there are probably more mistakes.  Because his coins are full of "mistakes".  If I open any other coins and they are not funded or any of the public addresses or private keys are not matched properly.  This will be the end of the excuses and mistakes.

To me the brand is untrustworthy and don't think he can save it because of how I have been treated as a customer from my MANY coin purchases.  But, the above two request are a start.  This whole time I haven't asked for any compensation, and I still don't because I feel this is about the honesty of coin manufacturers and them owning up to their failures and not blaming others for their own demise.  I was a victim of the Coinographics scam in a big way.  And, after that, I learned not to stay quiet with funding issues, excuses, delays of funding, etc that mimic the Coinographics scam.  I'm not out to harm any manufacturer that makes a simple mistake.  I have had other coin makers make mistakes, and they have addressed them quickly, efficiently, and I am pleased.  It's not hard to do.  But, this is NOT a tale of one simple mistake, if you knew how many problems I had with gravitate and ordering his coins.  The biggest problem is this one.  When I bought a funded coin.  I go to resell TWO of his coins and they were BOTH found out to be unfunded.  This makes me look bad, appears as if I am a scammer because I am selling an unfunded coin!  And, this makes me not want to sell any more of his coins because I will be labeled a scammer if they are found to be unfunded AGAIN!  Gravitate was NOT the one to inform me.  This is a HUGE mistake on his part.  You don't create coins and make mistakes with funding of coins and wrong private/public keys! Period!    If any other coin maker did this, you would see the same accusation here about them.

EDIT:  Proving he knows the "BRR3 #6" (err, I mean BRR1 #6) coin public address just confirms he did wrong, it doesn't exonerate him like he wants everyone to believe.  This (to me) is not proof of anything other than he sent me the wrong BRR3 #6 as well and they are not funded.  What does this prove AFTER THE FACT?  To me nothing.

#6 B RR                 


compressed                  bitcoin address
1EN66vah1crJktsJyFXskk9oFK2BkqyoTy          1KbvnJkYXRNntDyYh78YUMcG4Sd8mXNxd

So bitenvy, what does he need to do to make you feel whole again?

I don't think you should have to do this as it really doesn't prove anything we don't already know.  Your coin is not funded.  He should redeem the red SRR3 #6 coins, sweep the funds, provide a video.    Regardless, Microsoul funded coins are in question because of this funding "mistake".  You don't sell coins funded and have the customer find them NOT FUNDED.  That's fraudulent.

Gravitate, you have failed to answer my question...  Do you have confidence in your own coins?


Just because, I feel like adding more fuel to the fire...

Let me introduce Evidence B:



I ordered and reserved coin set #17.  Gravitate "accidentally" shipped my #17 coins to someone else.  (Hmm, I've heard this story before...)  So, he agreed to ship me a different coin set (#30).  I eventually received the #30 0.05BTC coin set.  One coin had an problem though.  Coins #1-10 coin ID's were printed in RED text.  This coin was supposed to have #30 1DrvH5zF (BLACK text) but instead had #30 1DrvH5zF  (RED text) as stated in the Microsoul 0.05 sales thread:


So is this coin really mine?  Or, did you accidentally ship this to someone else?  Or, maybe the BLACK coin ID is in your office?  Is it really funded?  I don't know anymore...  

When will this end...?   

I am out of town on a trip and do not have much time to look into this but if it needs to be peeled , i will try to do it with a video and post soon

Please post the address of the coin publicly first so it can be confirmed later

Yes, you are so right, I don't understand the whole "thing"!  You sold me a coin that was "funded" LABELED AS SRR3/BRR3 #6, that never would've been known or discovered without someone besides you letting me know that there were no funds on the coin and/or my coin was sitting on your desk for months.  I totally don't understand...   

Let me re-iterate something you said...

That coin YOU sent to me directly that I paid for which was SRR3 #6.  It was your mistake and making it seem like I am the scammer is just scammy!  How dare you, when I was the customer who purchased this very coin and did no wrong!

You don't understand...  I'm doing nothing wrong with this accusation as others have stated, this action described above is shady because you said nothing when you had the coins the entire time for months!!!  What don't you understand about this??

Emm...OK. 

I've seen these physical coins for sale, and they always make my skin crawl for this very reason.  Not knowing if there really is a valid pub/priv key.  But Gravitate was certainly trusted before this, and I'm hoping it turns out well.  Sure doesn't look that way from where I'm standing, though.