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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 27, 2015, 01:06:01 PM

Quote from: adzino on June 27, 2015, 12:57:12 PM

A principle of most societies is that if you borrow money, then you must repay it to the lender. The Greeks reject this principle.

Wrong. The Greeks didn't rejected this principle. They never requested the troika to write off their debt. All they asked was for some more time and an extension of the deadlines. They promised the troika that they will make the payments once the economy picks up. It was the troika which refused to make the compromise.

Bollocks. They (the government of Greece) asked for money to pay back what they already owe, and then more. Every fucking day they needed more money. All they asked for was more money, repayment postponed into "the distant future" (Varoufakis).

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Quote from: adzino on June 27, 2015, 12:57:12 PM

A principle of most societies is that if you borrow money, then you must repay it to the lender. The Greeks reject this principle.

Wrong. The Greeks didn't rejected this principle. They never requested the troika to write off their debt. All they asked was for some more time and an extension of the deadlines. They promised the troika that they will make the payments once the economy picks up. It was the troika which refused to make the compromise.

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Quote from: ajareselde on June 27, 2015, 12:45:22 PM

Quote from: adzino on June 27, 2015, 12:40:55 PM

Greece is going into bankruptcy. This referendum is not legal, and after the fact, window dressing. The Eurozone will be stronger after Greece.

Now we can move on, there are big things to do to move the project forward. Eu is not standing still.

EU will be stronger after cutting away dead weight (Greece), but how will they get their money back and who will enforce the payback ?
As far as i can tell, people are about to go frenzy over there, and it wont end well.

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A principle of most societies is that if you borrow money, then you must repay it to the lender. The Greeks reject this principle.

That is the crux of the problem.

To fix this problem, Berlin and Paris should expel Athens from the Euro zone. The member states of the European Union should also expel Greece from that club.

Can't get the money back but atleast after a few decades in the wilderness (in which the Greeks live lives worse than, say, Belorussians), the Greeks will mend their ways.

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A final decision on the referendum hasn't been reached yet. The Greek MPs are still debating whether the planned referendum should go ahead, and which are the questions that should be asked. A final vote might happen a few hours from now, at approx. 10 pm Greek time (right now it is 8:45 pm there). So we will be knowing their decision within the next 90 minutes.

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Quote from: adzino on June 27, 2015, 12:40:55 PM

Greece is going into bankruptcy. This referendum is not legal, and after the fact, window dressing. The Eurozone will be stronger after Greece.

Now we can move on, there are big things to do to move the project forward. Eu is not standing still.

EU will be stronger after cutting away dead weight (Greece), but how will they get their money back and who will enforce the payback ?
As far as i can tell, people are about to go frenzy over there, and it wont end well.

cheers

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Greece is going into bankruptcy. This referendum is not legal, and after the fact, window dressing. The Eurozone will be stronger after Greece.

Now we can move on, there are big things to do to move the project forward. Eu is not standing still.

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Personally I think Greece will be better off to default.

Another bailout will just be kicking the can further down the road. Take the pain now, yes it will not be easy but neither will it be to take on even more debt.

Who knows, Greece might come back stronger in a couple of years time while most of the other countries are still battling with their debt.

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The fool is just buying time. I'm very happy his request has been denied. The world has already been waiting far too long for Greece. If Greece expects to keep on receiving money from banks, it must accept what the banks are saying. I've seen a Greek family enjoying a vacation in Paris last month. You wonder how this is possible, when the government says the country is being strangled.

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Quote from: LiteCoinGuy on June 27, 2015, 11:27:58 AM

Well they did say how more than 500 ATM's are dried up, and people need to make withdraws, especially now when everything seams to be going down for them.
Given the fact that there is a 600EUR daily limit for cash withdraw,it being in the parliament doesn't enable wealthy ones to dry it up solo.
Not surprisingly, the price seams to be rising slowly over major exchanges; someones misfortune is another mans success i guess.

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Quote from: u9y42 on June 27, 2015, 08:44:22 AM

Quote from: BillyBones on June 27, 2015, 06:05:50 AM

According to me that is not the right step, if he keep asking public opinion votes then they will become accustomed with these and Greek people will demand the same as in future when Greek will rise up economically and socially, I am still sad for Greece for their unstable state.

Wait... what exactly is the problem with the voters becoming accustomed with voicing their opinions, and more importantly, having them actually acted on? I understand "real" democracy is hard, and it requires an informed, educated and active public but, surely, this is going in the right direction? If anything, it seems to me that more consultations like this could help incentivize greater public participation and activity, and effectively revitalize their society - and indeed, most Western societies, as we all share the same "democracy" (for sale) problem.

I believe in democracy, but sometimes asking every other day what to do and doing referendums daily leads to a mess. You need some sort of solid plan to execute.
In this case I would agree for the referendum.

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Quote from: maku on June 27, 2015, 04:45:34 AM

I think calling for vote is a cheap and bad way to throw off responsibility for the situation to come. Almost every time people will vote against changes that will force them to lower their living standards. So Greek prime minister Alexis Tsipras is making an easy way out of this for himself, if people vote against and Greece will fall he will say "it's not my fault", if Greeks vote for and it will cause some sort of unrest he will say "you voted for those conditions so now don't complain"

Ya, he is not taking his responsibility.

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Quote from: BillyBones on June 27, 2015, 06:05:50 AM

According to me that is not the right step, if he keep asking public opinion votes then they will become accustomed with these and Greek people will demand the same as in future when Greek will rise up economically and socially, I am still sad for Greece for their unstable state.

Wait... what exactly is the problem with the voters becoming accustomed with voicing their opinions, and more importantly, having them actually acted on? I understand "real" democracy is hard, and it requires an informed, educated and active public but, surely, this is going in the right direction? If anything, it seems to me that more consultations like this could help incentivize greater public participation and activity, and effectively revitalize their society - and indeed, most Western societies, as we all share the same "democracy" (for sale) problem.

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Quote from: minecoins on June 27, 2015, 08:11:45 AM

In the end (i cannot speak very good english)

the mosts money went to politicians (THEY GOD EVERYTHING). Every person that takes this country's leadership doen't take them to courts and jail. They are out playing with the rest of us. And we hav to pay for the money they got.. We, our children, and our childrens children...

in my oppinion if a few years(1 year maybe or less), we will be the worst economical country all over the planet. !!!

Start anew with free market and private property, food and everything will appear immediatedly. It's of no use to feed the politicans and the military.

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BTW if you're looking for somewhat-objective coverage try the live updates from the guardian

http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/jun/27/greek-crisis-mps-referendum-tsipras-eurogroup-ministers-live

I would avoid independent.co.uk and dailymail.co.uk as well as zerohedge.com

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Quote from: minecoins on June 27, 2015, 08:11:45 AM

In the end (i cannot speak very good english)

the mosts money went to politicians (THEY GOD EVERYTHING). Every person that takes this country's leadership doen't take them to courts and jail. They are out playing with the rest of us. And we hav to pay for the money they got.. We, our children, and our childrens children...

in my oppinion if a few years(1 year maybe or less), we will be the worst economical country all over the planet. !!!

no it wont be the worst economical country. without the Euro you will be free again and maybe in 10 years things will be better. but now there will start some tough times i think.

look at argentina. they did this twice in 10-15 years time span.

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I'm watching a livestream from the Greek parliament and from what I understand, not even the MPs have a clear idea of what the question of the proposed referendum would be. A lot of uncertainly flowing around.

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In the end (i cannot speak very good english)

the mosts money went to politicians (THEY GOD EVERYTHING). Every person that takes this country's leadership doen't take them to courts and jail. They are out playing with the rest of us. And we hav to pay for the money they got.. We, our children, and our childrens children...

in my oppinion if a few years(1 year maybe or less), we will be the worst economical country all over the planet. !!!

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Now the greek ppl did nothing wrong. most ppl here pays their taxes. the problem is not that. The problem is political. every desicion thas was made wasn't for the good of the country but for politicians. Example. We took like 10 million euros for ESPA. We got nothing. all went to banks and politicians.
Also
We payed a Bunched of money for military viecles that never costed so many "the rest once more went to politicians"

All the statistics in order to enter EURO was mistaked made by sacks and our politicias (early 90's) We didn't had the economical power to join the rest of EU

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