Topic: GREENPEACE INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM'S MERGE (Read 884 times)

I didn't say it's humans' fault. I just said the obvious: Climate is changing.

Climate changes all the time, but it's not caused by humans:

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/16/climate-variations-analyzed-5-million-years-back-in-time-show-repeating-fractal-patterns/
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2016/03/16/climate-repeats-as-fractals-say-researchers/
https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

The planet also gets greener, since CO2 is plant's food:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/trevornace/2019/02/28/nasa-says-earth-is-greener-today-than-20-years-ago-thanks-to-china-india/#45d066636e13

Nobody talks about this:

https://e360.yale.edu/digest/planting-1-2-trillion-trees-could-cancel-out-a-decade-of-co2-emissions-scientists-find

Man-made climate change is pseudo-science/new age religion.

Believe in Greta you infidels, or else you will rot in Hell!

Protestants are the worst when it comes to guilt complex, always the same BS.

Don't worry though, the elites will fly in private jets thanks to your carbon credits.

Except that I just sent you some. You can check the citations from Wikipedia as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change

Except that there's an immeasurably amount of evidence that proves the Earth isn't flat, while there's no such evidence that the climate isn't changing.

The evidence demonstrates it.

Stop twisting my words and look on the evidence.

There.

It's not a matter of opinions. It's a matter of facts.

I see you are posting news articles in this sub-forum and not for the first time. I think if you posted them in the press subforum, you would be helping everyone out by making those articles easy to find and they would be able to attribute your contribution to your name easier. Here is the board that I mentioned: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=77.0

Please be sure to read through the board guidelines there and use the correct formats to post your news article. (Although be sure to check if someone has already posted your news already. We don't need 10 people posting the same news here)

Have fun on Bitcointalk! Thanks for keeping the community updated!

no one can predict accurately the exact moment it will rain because of wind patterns and such.. but

if you know summer of 2021 had exceedingly high temperatures it = extra evaporation of water. that goes into the sky.. and what goes up.. must come down.. its simple physics

no one can predict exact date WHEN but if you know X billions of gallons are in the sky = Xbillions to fall out the sky

however if this years temperatures were not as hot it = 0.Xbillion gallons of water in the sky = 0.X litres to fall.

no one can know when. but maths is easy to know amount..

if the right conditions apply like a windy end of summer. that wind blows vapour together to combine to create larger droplets which become white puffy clouds. and if wind remains strong they combine and make bigger droplets to make dark grey clods

other factors like if when evaporating they reach the upper atmosphere they cool into ice droplets which if slammed together by wind can form sleet, snow or hail

too man y factors to accurate predict on the daily. but over the course of 3-6 months they can predict the odds of things happening but just not when.

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oh and for the whole "climaate change" debade
its not carbon.. its actually the water cycle that affects temperatures more
notice hw 2 days of bot equal earth tilt towards the sun = equal rays of light on both days, differ.. even though carbon lingers around for moneths-decades..
thus carbon change on the daily is not affecting the daily

but water.. that can change temperatures by MULTIPLE degree's fast.
and here is the human caused effect

instead of letter rainfall run down streams, rivers and soak into neighbouring land to cool the soil and allow easy evaporation to complete the water cycle. most water ends up in vast reservoirs which are harder to evaporat a gallon of water compared to it being spread out on land as a think layer
then its pumoted into pipes thus not having much exposure to the sun. also when it does rain instead of rain soaking into fields.. it hits concrete streets and pushed into drains. thus again less sun exposure to evaporate.. and then its all pushed out to the sea..

thus compared to 1850.. far far les rain reaces open soil land to evaporate to make more rain..

the rain forest.. emphasis RAIN forest is important to climate.. but not due to carbon.. but RAIN.. hint is in the name
each leaf of a tree is like a small frying pan. it holds droplets of water and as the sun hits the leaves, it heats the water causing evaporation and that evaporation takes the heat away keeping the leaf and the air surrounding it cooler. (much like how human sweat cools people)

I’m not so sure this message is getting through. We’re debunking all this lies about BTC and the “climate change” religion. Mass media, governments and their footmen corporations are losing this match. They just are a one-way loudspeaker. You cannot hear what the listeners are saying on the other side of their screens. But we, the common people do. And what are they saying? This is BS.

Just yesterday I was surprised at lunch time at work, when a guy that I would have never thought he was holding such opinion said that... this is all BS. Some guys were talking about news that this autumn is expected to be really hot and dry, and he just said, “how would they know if they cannot even forecast the weather tomorrow? We know. Everybody knows they cannot forecast accurately the weather one day in advance, and they are pretending to know what is going to happen next three months? Give me a break!

So no, the message is not getting through. We’re many, and we’re doing quite a good job when it comes to debunking all these interested liars.


No, the fact that governments can weaponize people based on the climate change religion does not prove there's no climate change. That's why I have never said that. What demonstrates it is not real is the rest of my comment that you, obviously, did not read. There is not data to prove climate change. Having you playing stunts with my arguments does not prove yours is right.  

One person, you, or many people saying there is such a “climate change” does not prove there is such change as having everybody saying the Earth is flat, as it already happened along history. A fact does not depend on how many people believes it to be true or false. I do not need to prove it to be false. You, whoever is saying it is true, need to demonstrate it is. Saying, “look, the other day I saw images of a draught, or a flood" does not prove it. Or "oh, look, there’s hurricanes!” And there are a lot more than ever!” Says who? Where is the data to prove your statement? You need to come along with data that demonstrates there is a real change respecting the millions of years the Earth has been turning on. You have no data. No data? No proof. No proof? Climate change does not exist. This is call scientific method. You lack it.
 
Do you believe it does? Some people believe in God. I do not discuss people’s beliefs. Everyone has the right to his own religion. Climate change is a religion. Take it for what it is.

Jokes aside the effects of a lie told by a "legitimate" face is a lot more effective than the same lie told a thousand times by a thousand trolls. This is why the bullshit Elon Musk spreads against bitcoin spreads more than the same bullshit idiots on bitcointalk, reddit or elsewhere spread.

Not to mention their wider audience. You may suddenly see an idiot in the parliament somewhere referring to such reports as their source of "reliable" information and make decisions that way. Nobody is going to take a trolls post on a forum seriously though.

at minimum wage of $10 an hour for 40 hours a week = $5k a person for 3month usual campaign length

its only 1000 trolls for 3 months

i guess ripple couldnt find its own 1000 idiot army of altcoin supporters

as for what greenpeace is saying. that part is social drama.. its the petition part to government that has more implications

especially if you read the exaggerations of the report that us governments own "experts" have pushed to the decisions makers
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60985112

in short bitcoin uses only 36-57TWH/year using fair efficient asics of the last few years at the years actual hashrate calculation of the network of 192exa average.

 instead of the exaggerated BS numbers oin the report based on older outdated asics of 4-5 years ago and pretending the hashrate was at a constant state of its ATH 230exa constantlt all year long(facepalm)

Oh don't worry about that, I'm being paid exactly $0 to deploy an anti-FUD gun.  

The problem with ignoring those spreading misinformation is that you won't see it anymore to correct it for everyone else who is also reading this forum. If we don't do that, we suddenly see after years that people still believe in the FUD like those who still think SegWit removes signatures from transactions!

What you shouldn't do is prolong the conversation with users like LegendaryK since at this point I'm convinced he is either trolling or getting paid to spread FUD. In which case I'm wondering how much they're paying him, hopefully he is doing it for $20 since the rate is $5 million these days

LegendaryKnob would be permabanned in another forum...

You forgot the blockchain technology of these cryptocurrencies and comparing with existing fiat monetary system which is completely under control of single authority called Central banks.

PoS is not really that bad but ethereum is not actually competing with bitcoin in my opinion, it is trying to up the transaction processing speed since the rivals of ETH like BSC, Tron and others are way ahead and lot cheaper than ethereum for long time.

Riot explains it well.

https://youtu.be/JM1L3Lobdsk

Just press the "Ignore" button, there's a reason why this topic is not called "LegendaryK INTENSIFIES CAMPAIGN AGAINST BITCOIN FOLLOWING ETHEREUM MERGE".

Why do you only reply to the little side note I posted in the end and not to the thorough argumentation above it? This selective reading / replying (that is a pattern with you, I noticed) is not very convincing.
And do you have any other arguments than 'They will ban it! Every PoW supporter is an idiot!'?

We're in Bitcoin Discussion!

You're utterly incompetent for dialogue, and that's seriously unfavorable for you. There's no damn way you'll ever move on with life if you keep offending your interlocutors in this manner. Despite being explained to you numerous times that Proof-of-Work comes with benefits that are otherwise impossible to gain, I've concluded that you don't even care about that energy you're constantly whining about, at all.

It's just that decentralized, self-authenticating, unstoppable form of money doesn't meet your ideals. Your perpetual appealing to authority proves it. You don't like us, nor do you accept our arguments as valid, because authorities are number #1 priority for you. Evidence's secondary. You're attacking, because we're justifiably an enemy for you.

You're a psychologically concerning, weak person.

Speaking of bans, aren't you evading yours? 

atleast they admit that the problem is their "fragile infrastructure.." but Leg-endK needs to realise what that actually means..
yep power companies took peoples money for decades but didnt use that received money to strengthen the infrastructure

they should actually be campaigning to stop power companies from profiteering and actually invest the money in upgrades

rather then tell neighbours to turn off the lights because they dont like the neighbours using power a selfish person wants.

silly thing is
when one neighbours cries about how much another neighbour makes noise and uses electric and wants to tell the neighbour to turn off the lights and sit in silence... that neighbour restricted neighbour then cries about the first one who is now using electric and making more noise..  
social drama echoechamber of fighting in the suburb between neighbours rather than actually getting power companies to stop profiting off of people while not investing in supplying the services all people want

power companies want power uses to blame each other..
yep look at the fossil debate..
blame power users not the power company burning the fossil fuel

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power companies knew over 50 years ago they only had 80 years of fossil reserves left in the ground.. the 2050 date of climate change is significant. because it just so happens to be when fossil fuels run out anyway..
but instead of investing in renewables in the 1980;s they instead funded the US DoD to go to war in the middle east to get at their fossil reserves. to keep fossil industry running.
instead of transitioning and upgrading to renewables. they instead started to blame citizens and people for using plastics and pumping out exhaust fumes out of their cars..
it is all finger pointing by energy produces to shift the blame to people who should fight amungst themselves for using so much and having lame excuses to then charge those users more higher prices.. while still those companies didnt invest in renewables..

normal people do not buiild power plants they pay power companies to cover costs to build power plants.. the problem .. the power companies didnt build power plants.. .. and now they want to blame people for using energy so that it becomes the tax payers burden to give government grants to power companies to be pushed into upgrading.. pfft..

leg-end is pointing his fingers at the wrong people


oh and here is the climax..

asic farms produce no greenhouse gas.. they have no chimney. they have no coal or oil on the facility. no furnace

.. now look were the greenhouse gas actually comes from when energy is produced..
yep..
power plants create greenhouse gas.. not asic farms

i can guarantee you this Leg-end
stand anywhere near a asic mining farm. your lungs will not inhale plumes of carbon
you will not be coughing due to co2 . you wont have that smell in the air of soot


your summer time barbecue of just your one household, emits more smoke than an asic farm does

so point your cries at the actual emitters.. the power stations.
you know the people you pay your bills to with the hope and dream that your electric bill is suppose to pay for your electric by that money being supposedly used to pay for costs of maintenance and upgrades of their power generation facilities. which for as long as you have lived has not been used to make your power utility source go greener.

No , I am linking to what the Authorities are saying they are going to do,
which is ban PoW, because the btc cultist are too stupid to fix the energy waste.

PoW supporters continued stupidly on the mater is what I find insulting.

What is really amazing is how all PoW supporters are just utter morons.

Oh well , your PoW coin waste energy , and you PoW morons waste everyone else time with your stupidity.

You have wasted enough of my time.

Enjoy the 2024 permaban on PoW.  

Last I checked, insults are a pretty weak argument - yet again, nothing of substance.
That's why they say more about whoever uses them instead of whoever was targeted.

If Texas were to actually sell all their electricity to Bitcoin miners and to take it away from people even if that means they die - are you honestly blaming the miners instead of the state?
Now, I don't know whether Texas is willing to do that, I can't judge how likely that is.

Here's a point with thesis and argumentation, maybe you can learn something from this methodology.
Proposition: There is economic reason why starvation in Texas will never happen.
Argumentation: Do keep in mind miners need the cheapest energy they can get. If people are in dire need of electricity, they will pay prices that miners can't afford to pay.
Proof: You can easily compare it to Europe, where miners are basically 'forced out' of the market by consumers, who pay upwards of $0.30 per kWh -- a price that no mining operation can work with. At such prices, they shut down their gear temporarily until prices drop again, or relocate to a cheaper location.

You're again appealing to authority; if instead you meant to propose their argument as a good one, it's really not. Bitcoin mining is already much greener than the industry average and highly incentivized (financially) to continue in that direction, since mining profits are directly correlated with energy costs and renewables are so cheap.