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LegendaryK, you should stop trying to put yourself between the seller and the buyer. You social justice warriors always try to interfere in the market and put your hands in other people's pockets in the name of equality and ecology.

So when those ~7 million people die from the 2024 Texas grid collapse,
You want to be the one to tell them, your greed and cult faith in PoW is why their loved ones had to die.






1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  Kiss
Sad day for you.
Gone off the Deep end

Dude,
just go outside, you have become too stupid to talk too.

So sad.






https://decrypt.co/109283/white-house-bitcoin-mining-greener-ban
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White House: Bitcoin Mining Must Be Greener—Or US Should Ban It
The White House has said it wants federal agencies and states to make mining cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin more climate-friendly—or else.
Time is short.
legendary
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1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  Kiss
Sad day for you.

4 pools does not mean 4 warehouses


oh and the "unknown" slice of the pie chart..
https://www.blockchain.com/charts/pools
is not a single pool called "unknown"
its many pools which blockchain.info cannot identify so just clumps the numbers together into one slice

and if you delve into the depths of data/statistics of each pool you would learn that the pool services thousands of users around the world. not one location
legendary
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Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

idiot thinks bitcoin causes rolling blackouts..
i think that Leg-endK things that all bitcoin miners of a pool are housed in one building like an amazon AWS server farm

sorry Leg-end. but a pool is just a data manager single server, that receives data from miners all across the world.. its a little thing called decentralisation

there are not 3-10 locations of mining. there are tens of thousands of locations

the ~1.5m-2m asics are not located in just a half dozen locations putting high pressure on a single power plant that circuit breaks every day..

get real learn something

The way I see it, this "legEND" is never getting a legendary rank in here.

I always find it amazing how some people develop this socialist mentality that makes them think they can limit people's access to some goods and services "for the good of others". He uses words like leeches and parasites, because in his mind it's one apple for each person. You can't go to the market and buy out all apples, if you do it means the system is broken to allow that and you're a parasite.

It's the same with power grid, he lacks the basic understanding of how electricity works. Each power company calculates the amount they can sell. If I decide to set up a mininng operation, I have to write to them and ask if it's possible that I get a certain amount like 100kW for that. If they can spare it, they'll set me up with everything needed to support such draw.
You cannot steal 100kW just like that. You can't put miners anywhere you like. If you do it without thinking you'll trip your breakers first and if you decide to put in bigger ones you'll fru the connection between your house and the nearest HV transformer.

A mining operation cannot cause blackouts. It's up to the power company to limit power to certain businesses if they are unable to provide a constant and stable supply. They will rather stop supplying miners than hospitals if it comes to that and no mining ban is needed for that to happen. The market will always regulate itself and power companies are free to choose how much power they can send to a location.

LegendaryK, you should stop trying to put yourself between the seller and the buyer. You social justice warriors always try to interfere in the market and put your hands in other people's pockets in the name of equality and ecology.
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Do you realize that Bitcoin's energy impact is miniscule compared to global energy footprint?

Geez, you are another slow one.
The world power grids are not , I repeat not interconnected , no grid has access to the entire world's total energy output,
Currently your btc PoW mining parasites are trying to suck an additional amount out of Texas grid that is equal to New York State energy use.
Texas grid produces less than 1% of the World Total energy.
PoW will be banned or the Texas grid will collapse by 2024 and kill millions of people in the 2-5 years it takes to repair.


Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  Wink
On the other hand, you present arguments riddled of logic fallacies and failed to provide a single one that held water.

Dude,
they don't hold water for you , because you are stupid.  Kiss
Don't worry , after the PoW Permaban, you can just play with your crayons all day.


Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

get real learn something

1.  Too many ASIC Warehouses PoW parasites are trying to be on 1 grid.
2.  4 mining pool operators are not decentralized
3.  Proof of Waste will be banned.

What I have learned Franky1 is you are now as dumb as doomad.  Kiss
Sad day for you.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-26/texas-crypto-rush-may-need-as-much-power-as-entire-state-of-n-y?leadSource=uverify%20wall
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Crypto currency miners are accelerating their push to expand in Texas far beyond what authorities had initially expected, threatening to send the state’s electricity use skyrocketing.
Enough miners have applied to connect to Texas’s power grid to use up to 33 gigawatts of electricity, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, which runs the system, said in an email Friday. That’s a third more than what the grid operator’s chief executive officer said in April that officials were preparing to handle over the next decade.

https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county
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Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the increase in water and electricity bills.

We do not want the increase in environmental temperature in the immediate vicinity of the factory-that-produces-nothing.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.

We do not want our county to facilitate in the illegal activity Bitcoin is used for, such as money laundering, child, human and sex trafficking, tax evasion and drug trafficking.

WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THIS. FACILITY. IN. NAVARRO. COUNTY.

This is NOT a done deal.

We have the power & authority to deny access to our municipal water supply.  We're in a drought and already experience brown-outs during the summer months.

This factory-that-produces-nothing will affect every single citizen of Navarro County and MUST BE STOPPED!

EMAIL CITY COUNCIL

JOIN The Concerned Citizens of Navarro County Facebook Group

Sign This Petition

THANK YOU!
legendary
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Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,

idiot thinks bitcoin causes rolling blackouts..
i think that Leg-endK things that all bitcoin miners of a pool are housed in one building like an amazon AWS server farm

sorry Leg-end. but a pool is just a data manager single server, that receives data from miners all across the world.. its a little thing called decentralisation

there are not 3-10 locations of mining. there are tens of thousands of locations

the ~1.5m-2m asics are not located in just a half dozen locations putting high pressure on a single power plant that circuit breaks every day..

get real learn something

rolling blackouts are the failure of government and power stations.. not the people that use electric and pay their bills

here's the reasons
imagine a region has a 240GW capacity and a 150 average demand

1. when they insert solar and show that they can achieve a yearly 240GW capacity
politicians say "turn off the 240GW fossil, we are good to go green"
but this 240GW capacity is not evenly spread as 10gw per hour(same hour of each day totalled for year)
its actually 30GW an hour for the 8 hours of sunlight
meaning they have problems when its not daytime as they no longer have support from fossil at the end of the day

2. with hydro (lets use same numbers)
that too is not evenly spaced out as 60GW per season..
its actually more like 120 for winter 100 for autumn and 10 each for spring and summer

3. lets take california and the colorado river.. the silly people in the energy/water market have a "magic number2 of water capacity and then allot quota's of water to go to certain counties..
the thing is the magic number is higher than the actual amount of water available. and also those at the top of the river ensure they get their quota because if they dont use it they lose it.
meaning those at the bottom dont get any. meaning the dam reservoirs do not fill thus energy production doesnt meet capacity. and in summer where there is not much rain and alot of evaporation. energy generations really slows down

this is not about blame the energy user. its about knowing the facts that for decades the utility companies have been over exaggerating their numbers to get money but not investing in expanding and staying within their capacity..

dont blame energy users.. its not their fault they pay for a service they cannot get.. blame the energy provisors who have for decades been on a mis-spending spree of their profits and not investing into meeting demand. and now the politicians want to turn off fossil fuel plants.. that mis-spending and exaggerations of capacity are beginning to show
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Greenpeace is known to be overreacting to things a bit, and they defend behind a good logic to do that. What do they say they want? A better earth that's not killing us, which is amazing right? I mean think about it this way, would you want a world where it is doing a lot better? Everywhere green, the whole world filled with oxygen that you breath to feel better, beaches and forests all amazing? It would all happen and that would be amazing.

But that doesn't mean that you should be overreacting to every little thing and think that you are doing the right thing. I should save money and be rich too, but spending a dollar won't get me there, saving 50% of my salary would. Focus on the top 100 companies that ruin the world, they are the cause of 70% of the pollution, that would be a great start.
The reason we're 'overreacting' is that they are being deceitful.
Spending this kind of money on anti-Bitcoin campaigns is one of the worst ways I can think of to use cash for saving the planet.

I think it's easy to understand that we're not going to be silent if someone is trying to bullshit us into this 'Bitcoin causes global warming' narrative that is a requirement for arguing against PoW.
Since we know better, it is our duty to counter the loud voices that are prevalent in the misinformation-camp of deliberate fraudsters and deceived newbies.

I'm all for fighting global warming, but focusing on Bitcoin is a waste of time and money. It pollutes way too little for any change to its protocols to have an impact and it's moving to renewables due to economics, on its own - faster than almost any other industry.
Anyone claiming otherwise is either unknowingly wasting their time or knowingly deceiving people for whatever motive they're following.



Those perceived authorities can permaban Proof of Waste Mining.
Those perceived authorities can make it illegal to trade in PoW coins in the US.
Those perceived authorities can have you arrested if you transact in a PoW coin.
'Banning' is relative. Nobody can prevent me mining ETC on a GPU at home or Bitcoin on a stick miner; and it will be barely possible to track. Mining will continue in one way or another.
Making it illegal to use a coin works with any cryptocurrency; it has nothing to do with PoW or not. In fact, coins tend to be banned / restricted by authorities mostly by degree of privacy. This should tell you enough about the real reasons behind attempted BTC / crypto bans.

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,
well you make yourself too stupid to recognize the reality you live in, that is on you and has nothing to do with me.
Do you realize that Bitcoin's energy impact is miniscule compared to global energy footprint?
Just because blackouts happen and Bitcoin mining also happens, doesn't mean causation. Classic fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Anyone here with the ability to use logic knows Proof of waste is a dying tech.
Or we could say Bitcoin is the only PoW coin that prevailed. Since PoW is competitive by design, it pushes out weaker competitors. ETH was one of the strongest contenders until recently.

Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  Wink
That's interesting! So far, a lot of members in this community, but also people in my real-life ventures, valued my logic abilities. On the other hand, you present arguments riddled of logic fallacies and failed to provide a single one that held water.
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Proof of Waste being Eliminated , Soon.
According to Government Sources.
You continue argumenting purely based on (perceived) authorities on various subjects.

The 'argumentum ab auctoritate' is one of the weakest arguments in existence, in my opinion. You consistently fail to provide verifiable arguments based on logic and numbers. Nobody will take you seriously here, that way.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Those perceived authorities can permaban Proof of Waste Mining.
Those perceived authorities can make it illegal to trade in PoW coins in the US.
Those perceived authorities can have you arrested if you transact in a PoW coin.

Facts such as the rolling blackouts and increasing energy costs and the increased drain on energy resources,
well you make yourself too stupid to recognize the reality you live in, that is on you and has nothing to do with me.

Anyone here with the ability to use logic knows Proof of waste is a dying tech.

None of the BTC cultists have to believe a word I say, none of that will stop PoW from being banned.  Cool

FYI:
Did you run out of crayons, their was no meme in your post, just like their is never any logic in your posts.  Wink

 
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Greenpeace is known to be overreacting to things a bit, and they defend behind a good logic to do that. What do they say they want? A better earth that's not killing us, which is amazing right? I mean think about it this way, would you want a world where it is doing a lot better? Everywhere green, the whole world filled with oxygen that you breath to feel better, beaches and forests all amazing? It would all happen and that would be amazing.

But that doesn't mean that you should be overreacting to every little thing and think that you are doing the right thing. I should save money and be rich too, but spending a dollar won't get me there, saving 50% of my salary would. Focus on the top 100 companies that ruin the world, they are the cause of 70% of the pollution, that would be a great start.
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You continue argumenting purely based on (perceived) authorities on various subjects.

The 'argumentum ab auctoritate' is one of the weakest arguments in existence, in my opinion. You consistently fail to provide verifiable arguments based on logic and numbers. Nobody will take you seriously here, that way.
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Greenpeace? Aren't they the idiots who were protesting against oil drilling platforms by sailing around one of such platforms in a boat powered by a diesel engine? Cheesy

you mean the same people that wanted to take photos of clmate change of how icebergs are being broken.. by sailing in a icebreaker ship.

oh the guys that printed a billion paper leaflets to campaign about deforrestation

Yes, they are the guys who are sailing a gazillion miles in a couple of icebreaker ships to protect the whales... but that is not the real issue. The real issue is this.... The Fiat Banking system are using a lot more energy and polluting the earth more, but they focus on Bitcoin.  Roll Eyes

Do you see them standing in front of the 1000s of armored cars that are being powered by large Diesel engines on a daily basis? Do you see them picketing in front of the 1000s of Bank branches, where air-conditioning are running 24/7 ....and also electronic machines like computers / CCTV / Networking equipment / ATMs / Card readers... etc...etc?
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They are unnecessarily attacking the POW because they are using energy to mine something useful and which can be used as payment mode so what's the problem in that? The Air conditioning from the other financial sector also disturb the environment as they also emit carbon to the nature but they have never raise a voice against them why? Because it's for government and they know they can't go against them.Miners are also using energy efficient ways or say green resources to mine btc but we always see this drama but it's totally waste and miners will continue the same way moving to more renewable sources and the people will realise what a waste they were part of.
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Here is the link: https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/greenpeace-intensifies-campaign-against-bitcoin-after-ethereum-merge.

They just don’t get it. Of course, it is impossible to understand something when their income depends on not understanding it. Well, this is the difference between honesty (Bitcoin) and total moral corruption (Ethereum and the rest of the fiat world).

I repeat. There is no such an invention in PoS. This is the way fiat currencies and even the gold standard worked since the origins of monetary history. All modern nationalized fiat currencies (the USD, the EUR, the GBP, etc.) are already digital and working under the PoS model.  Where is the innovation? Nowhere.

This is the computer versus the typing machine, and old fogeys proposing going back to the typing machine because computers spend energy. Well, you type… I’ll use a computer. Let’s see who wins.


It is important that people realize that a great deal of what they read on the mainstream media has been manipulated in order to create a reaction on them, in this case governments are trying to cloud their judgment and manipulate them into believing that somehow the system implemented by bitcoin is both inefficient and a threat to the environment.

As we know this is not true, but the average person doesn't really have the time or even the interest to try to look for the truth so they are going to believe whatever they are told especially if it comes from an organization like Greenpeace.
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Trader University make a video about the subject. Reasonable opinion. It is one of the beautiful things about open source software and consensus. You don't need to ask anyone.

https://odysee.com/@TraderUniversity:a/bitcoin-tells-greenpeace-to-go-fork:3
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By the way, if memory serves me correct, this is the person who I made this meme for. They're very worried about the grid.

Be sure and start on your meme for when the executive order from the white house bans PoW.

That should be the funniest one of all.  Cheesy

Guess you better do a meme for the Office of Science and Technology too.
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/business/white-house-condemns-energy-use-of-mining-bitcoin
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The Office of Science and Technology asserts that
bitcoin mining facilities create added stress on the power grid
that
leads to blackouts, fire hazards, and equipment deterioration.

The report also claims that bitcoin miners will raise the average electricity cost for local consumers

Bitcoin cultist are so clueless about what is happening, it is like they can't read, maybe that is why they play with pictures so much.  Cheesy
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~Delusional gibberish cut out~
https://cleanupbitcoin.com/
Thanks for the idea (or rather no thanks because this idea will melt their brain cells). Now I'm going to register an opposite domain and make it point to all the resources that thoroughly debunk that "bitcoin is bad for the environment" argument.
https://bitcoincleanup.com/ would be cool! Cheesy

By the way, if memory serves me correct, this is the person who I made this meme for. They're very worried about the grid.


Also, related.
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~Delusional gibberish cut out~
https://cleanupbitcoin.com/

Thanks for the idea (or rather no thanks because this idea will melt their brain cells). Now I'm going to register an opposite domain and make it point to all the resources that thoroughly debunk that "bitcoin is bad for the environment" argument.
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They were accepting donations in Bitcoin for years.

No way back from there Smiley


Looks like they are trying anyway.  Smiley

https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2021/05/21/greenpeace-stops-accepting-bitcoin-donations-cites-high-energy-use/
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Environmental campaign group Greenpeace USA has stopped accepting bitcoin donations over the carbon footprint of the cryptocurrency.

According to a report from the Financial Times on Thursday, the organization said:
"As the amount of energy needed to run bitcoin became clearer, this policy became no longer tenable."

At some point everyone realized that it is PoW or them, and then they refuse to use it.
Everyone except bitcoin cultist that are utterly delusional about Proof of Waste.

Many Crypto Users realized that PoW was a dead end starting in 2013 until now.
Greenpeace realize that PoW was a danger in May of 2021,
Texas will realize the PoW danger, when their power grid collapse in 2024.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/news/change-the-code-not-the-climate-greenpeace-usa-ewg-others-launch-campaign-to-push-bitcoin-to-reduce-climate-pollution/

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Bitcoin is already using as much power as Sweden. Other crypto-currencies use 99% less electricity
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Change The Code: Not The Climate – Greenpeace USA, EWG, Others Launch Campaign to Push Bitcoin to Reduce Climate Pollution

https://cleanupbitcoin.com/

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They were accepting donations in Bitcoin for years.

No way back from there Smiley
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It is also important to note that Ethereum's switch to PoS is in its experimental stage. In a few months, the challenges and disadvantages of this switch would become evident to all.
The uselessness and flaws of PoS and how they can be easily overcome by centralization have been evident to all for about a decade. You shouldn't forget that we already have old centralized PoS shitcoins and now we have one more. The fact that ETH is bigger than other shitcoins doesn't mean the algorithm or their centralization is any different.

The only thing that may become evident is very specific bugs related to the mess known as the ethereum protocol that may start showing themselves in the future.
What's funny is that ETH fans celebrate the switch to PoS and use this event to demand Bitcoin to do it as well (for various reasons).
Meanwhile we can also interpret it as surrender. They basically surrendered in the fight against Bitcoin; remember 'flippening' and such words thrown around?

They relinquished completely and stepped down to attempt at least becoming the #1 in the children's sandpit of PoS.
Basically, they took the blue pill.
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It is also important to note that Ethereum's switch to PoS is in its experimental stage. In a few months, the challenges and disadvantages of this switch would become evident to all.
The only thing that may become evident is very specific bugs related to the mess known as the ethereum protocol that may start showing themselves in the future.

biggest flaw of eth PoS is yes the centralisation.. the custodianisation of the stake

this makes eth PoS now even easier for regulators to get exchanges to pull off more mandated upgrades to ease regulators minds. because its not just the utility of transaction recognition with exchanges.. but also those exchanges are the miners now. so they dont have to threaten miners to flag agreement with economic nodes.. because the economic nodes are the miners

so if they want to only follow a particular fork. USERS with full nodes would even more easily follow exchanges because not only are they the recognised services to spend coins with. but those exchanges now own those users stake and opposing the exchanges means users lose their stake.. thus now for eth a double hit for users that dont want to follow a exchange thats pushed to follow a particular fork

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