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Topic: GridSeed 5-chip USB miner voltage mod - page 64. (Read 156988 times)

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March 30, 2014, 04:52:26 PM
Okay, my 'non-pencil-trick' mod is:
Replace C36 10nf with a 100nf capacitor = no more pencil tricks! 'yay'
This includes the other 3 mods i.e. the two jumpers and resistor change out on page 14 (Sandor's mods) of this thread.
I have run over 36 hours with ZERO hardware errors - 1000MHz (stable) at 568KH/s peak - 378KH/s average pool side .07% stale shares out of 587,114 valid shares. Comm port FIFO's were set at 14 Receive and 16 Transmit.
It's still running strong and stable. So I believe this mod is a pass!

I"m looking forward to trying out nemercry's mods when he finally releases the particulars. His results sound fantastic!

As usual, if you do these mods, you do them at your own risk!


378 kh/s is lower than you should expect at 1000 MHz. Reported hardware error counts only tell half the story. A reported hardware represents a nonce that your miner thought was valid, but really isn't. It's way more likely that your miner would be corrupting and missing valid nonces, which are unfortunately not detectable.
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Vice versa is not a meal.
March 30, 2014, 02:32:05 PM
It's currently still running but i wanted to share some results.(yet only 6h runn)
first batch (red)
second batch (dark gold)
third batch (white gold)

I modded one of the newest Gridseed units (those with smdleds on it, batch 3) and an older one,batch2.
For some reason the newer version of the gridseeds isnt stable like the older ones.
After the run is finished i will measure the voltages between some parts, to see if there are any differences...
I am not sure if this is just variance or if they did change transistors, which causes this now.



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March 30, 2014, 11:57:32 AM
Okay, my 'non-pencil-trick' mod is:
Replace C36 10nf with a 100nf capacitor = no more pencil tricks! 'yay'
This includes the other 3 mods i.e. the two jumpers and resistor change out on page 14 (Sandor's mods) of this thread.
I have run over 36 hours with ZERO hardware errors - 1000MHz (stable) at 568KH/s peak - 378KH/s average pool side .07% stale shares out of 587,114 valid shares. Comm port FIFO's were set at 14 Receive and 16 Transmit.
It's still running strong and stable. So I believe this mod is a pass!

I"m looking forward to trying out nemercry's mods when he finally releases the particulars. His results sound fantastic!

As usual, if you do these mods, you do them at your own risk!
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March 30, 2014, 10:41:34 AM
Give me a little more time and ill give you a run of my 1250mhz and of my 1150mhz units. 24h each. I was able to setup a headless machine now and can let them run 24/7 now.
Probably i'll get a higher stable rate. Lets see Smiley

OK. Be careful, output voltage is limited by organic polymer capacitor. Max. 2.5V allowed(but keep a small safety range).
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March 30, 2014, 07:56:52 AM
Stable 510kH/s@1200MHz mod of Reggie0, _only_ by replacing R52 with 100k Resistor and C32 with 120k? On the first view this sounds good!
@Reggie0: You've said GS takes 28W, do you have measured only the GS with fan or including the power supply?
Additionally I'm a bit confused. Here you talk about 510kH/s:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5954771
But later, when it comes to proof stability you screenshot talks about 473kH/s
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5971887
Are we talking about different mods?

@nemercy: What are your modifications to get 489kH/s@1150MHz stable? It consumes 21W (with fan and PSU) you wrote, so I think its maybe the better choice.

28W is only GS's power consumption without fan.
The second picture is for win sandor's 0.6 BTC reward. You can see less than 10 HW errors in 24 hour. It is the same mod, only freq was reduced.

BTC: 1gqdzx8iSwUGt3vaoEaPCjvrWo7zKn7PK

Give me a little more time and ill give you a run of my 1250mhz and of my 1150mhz units. 24h each. I was able to setup a headless machine now and can let them run 24/7 now.
Probably i'll get a higher stable rate. Lets see Smiley
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March 30, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
Stable 510kH/s@1200MHz mod of Reggie0, _only_ by replacing R52 with 100k Resistor and C32 with 120k? On the first view this sounds good!
@Reggie0: You've said GS takes 28W, do you have measured only the GS with fan or including the power supply?
Additionally I'm a bit confused. Here you talk about 510kH/s:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5954771
But later, when it comes to proof stability you screenshot talks about 473kH/s
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5971887
Are we talking about different mods?

@nemercy: What are your modifications to get 489kH/s@1150MHz stable? It consumes 21W (with fan and PSU) you wrote, so I think its maybe the better choice.

28W is only GS's power consumption without fan.
The second picture is for win sandor's 0.6 BTC reward. You can see less than 10 HW errors in 24 hour. It is the same mod, only freq was reduced.

BTC: 1gqdzx8iSwUGt3vaoEaPCjvrWo7zKn7PK
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March 30, 2014, 06:29:36 AM
I have done the 3 mods on 2 of my pods and seen some benefit locally and pool side.  I do find that the choice of pool for testing is important as these multi-coin pools really have poor stratum results.  They toss all different kinds of rejected shares upon switching coins.  I would suggest for testing mod stability to use a sole coin pool as that has given me better numbers.  

Currently running at 1050Mhz stable and I do not have the PLL down to 0.94 yet. Looks like there is more room in these units.
PLEASE READ SO YOU DONT BRICK YOUR DEVICE

I just recall everyone: Dont play with PLL Voltage at all if you want to overclock. I did it once and it worked, but i found out that it was just because of the low frequency. As higher i got the higher the Errors did go.
So i can advise you to: whatever you do, dont change the PLL voltage. This week i'll gonna post the mod i am doing right now, to show everything its not hard to reach or complicated.
But pls dont resolder anything at your PLLs. Also did i calculated some values for the PLL resistors: dont use them, they are wrong!

For example: Even on my 1250mhz unit it just gets from 0 HW Errors to more when increasing the PLL.
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March 30, 2014, 05:39:12 AM
Stable 510kH/s@1200MHz mod of Reggie0, _only_ by replacing R52 with 100k Resistor and C32 with 120k? On the first view this sounds good!
@Reggie0: You've said GS takes 28W, do you have measured only the GS with fan or including the power supply?
Additionally I'm a bit confused. Here you talk about 510kH/s:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5954771
But later, when it comes to proof stability you screenshot talks about 473kH/s
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5971887
Are we talking about different mods?

@nemercy: What are your modifications to get 489kH/s@1150MHz stable? It consumes 21W (with fan and PSU) you wrote, so I think its maybe the better choice.
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March 30, 2014, 01:39:14 AM
I have done the 3 mods on 2 of my pods and seen some benefit locally and pool side.  I do find that the choice of pool for testing is important as these multi-coin pools really have poor stratum results.  They toss all different kinds of rejected shares upon switching coins.  I would suggest for testing mod stability to use a sole coin pool as that has given me better numbers. 

Currently running at 1050Mhz stable and I do not have the PLL down to 0.94 yet. Looks like there is more room in these units.

If you're using cgminer, use --benchmark to see how well the unit is performing. This hashes the same work unit over and over again while recording stats (hashrate, errors, etc.). It's probably the most objective measure you can get.
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March 29, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
I have done the 3 mods on 2 of my pods and seen some benefit locally and pool side.  I do find that the choice of pool for testing is important as these multi-coin pools really have poor stratum results.  They toss all different kinds of rejected shares upon switching coins.  I would suggest for testing mod stability to use a sole coin pool as that has given me better numbers. 

Currently running at 1050Mhz stable and I do not have the PLL down to 0.94 yet. Looks like there is more room in these units.
sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 07:54:43 PM
please don't post this hashra shit here! it's just another spam.. it has nothing to do with voltage mod.



It's posted as 'vindication' for being accused of spreading BS about pricing....
I guess I should have said that.
But, like I said, no more spam.
newbie
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March 29, 2014, 07:39:53 PM
please don't post this hashra shit here! it's just another spam.. it has nothing to do with voltage mod.

sr. member
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March 29, 2014, 06:55:24 PM
Okay everyone, let's settle down. Take a deep breath. Start over.
Got it on spamming on here. I'm a bit new to forum-ing and all. Smiley
I HATE SPAM TOO! I get what it means on here now.

Oh yeah, no more signing all the time. It takes too much time Wink

I do have some improved 'evidence' to post sometime over the next few to several hours 'with pertinent notes' I'm studying longer to figure out what all the variables are at the pool and tune these babies up.
I'm still tuning mine based on the original and current discoveries by others on here who deserve thanks for their contributions.

I am duplicating and applying data and reporting the results as I go. I'll keep it more concise as I already like to be as precise as possible. I am not afraid to be wrong either. After all, it's part of the game of being right - as it goes in life. Wink

I'm always interested in contributing and making a positive difference in everyone's lives.

Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions, comments, challenges or concerns.
I want to stay excited and looking forward to the progress we all make as individuals while contributing to the group so that everyone has a fair chance to improve performance and profit$

If you can't do these mods yourself, I'll be happy to do them for you at a fair price! And, I guarantee my work to be 100% stable and permanent! If by some chance, I brick your pod, I'll replace it with one of my own. PM me for details.
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March 29, 2014, 05:35:09 PM
i believe R336, R46, R212 are all 0402? also it is very hard to find 14.7k and 27.4k where i live. closest i could find is 15k and 27K. will the performance will very much?

The resistors are all 0402 (1005 metric) 1% tolerance.

I'm sure anything close will work, but again, there are a lot of variables, YMMV, etc.
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March 29, 2014, 05:26:56 PM
i believe R336, R46, R212 are all 0402? also it is very hard to find 14.7k and 27.4k where i live. closest i could find is 15k and 27K. will the performance will very much?
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March 29, 2014, 05:22:20 PM
looks like you can use liquid solder and get an extra 40kh per unit. Nothing like an extra 100kh but still something to consider

There is a thread about it in this sub-forum

So kudos to whomever guessed it may be a viable option. Alas not the most effective it is still an option.

I personally am not comfortable micro soldering. Micro painting i can handle tho Wink
newbie
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March 29, 2014, 04:15:37 PM
If I wanted to run mine at 1150 stable, which resistor values should I use on R46 and R212?  I appreciate your picture and the risk you put in finding this mod.
I think I was able to get 1100-1150 at 1.581V (7.79k) - I make absolutely no guarantees.

@Mixdio:
Could you explain me which benefit i'll get when i give it a higher PLL voltage ?
Doesnt make sense for me to higher the voltage there ?
Would be nice if you can help me on that here.
Same concept as overclocking the core - increase voltage to increase stability. I tried decreasing VPLL to 0.91 V which resulted in hardware errors at 950 MHz.

To follow up with a 12 hour test:
1.821 V at 1250 MHz (~548 kH/s) - 0 HW errors
1.734 V at 1200 MHz (~526 kH/s) - 0 HW errors

The remaining 8 devices ran at 950 MHz with only the VID1 mod. There were 3 with HW errors.

The test was run with bfgminer compiled from nwoolls' feature/gridseed-support-new branch. girnyau's cgminer fork was segfaulting with clock speeds over 1200 MHz. I needed to be able to set individual clock rates because my devices have different mods. bfgminer allows this with the set-device parameter. bfgminer also appears to report hashrates a bit higher than cgminer.

Before drawing any conclusions from the data presented by myself and others, keep in mind that there are a lot of variables and the sample size is incredibly small.
ZiG
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March 29, 2014, 03:43:22 PM
Some tuning news on Gridseeds (Scrypt Mining)

1.) Tuning of Gridseed Hardware (Soldering required) upto 436 KH/s per Miner
2.) Fork from CGMiner for Gridseed Hardware (Frequency per Miner, Easy Overclocking for more stable Miners)

http://gridseed-blog.com (contains link to Originalpost, BLOG about Gridseed Mining is currently created)

Nothing new...imho...and spam/pay-per-click redirect...I'll avoid...for now... Wink
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March 29, 2014, 03:38:01 PM
So that's what's been mystifying us all - lost 'Completed Work' which is caused by a False Negative, of which the GS isn't programmed to detect and flag or display in the print out?
It just goes un-noticed in real time locally - then one sees the result pool side which ends up as Stale Shares or just No Shares of any kind reported at all.
Lost Completed Work = Lost Money = Throwing Coin Away!....Pssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Is this correct?

Still, I see my Reward$ caufers filling up nearly twice as fast as before I made the mods.
Something still isn't being caught or explained here. Maybe I'm just hallucinating! Cheesy
Better explanation. But the complete 'why' still eludes, I fear.

I wonder if an oscilloscope connected to the right spots on the card will give a better if not the indication of what's going on and even tell one when they've hit the real 'sweet spot' and not go any further. That would be some serious fine tuning. I happen to have a CRO. I guess I'm going to have to start probing and see what I can find out.

Or, is it all calculable (math) and the end result of the equations ARE the REAL answer and THAT"S THAT no matter what hardware changes are made or probing is done?

False Positive's SUCK!  Angry Cry

But....

The fact is, the original 4 mods have caused hardly any increase in power consumption while having reduced if not negated and stabilized an otherwise very unstable 'red noncey' stock miner at 850MHz or higher clock rate. So at this point, I still believe the original 4 mods are beneficial. I still want to circumvent the pencil mod without losing its positive results and I may have achieved this already. Still testing.

The thing is to get the clock and resulting counting / calculations in the chips to be stable and positive at higher clock rates so as to produce more valid shares i.e. $Moolah$! at the pool. I still believe this is achievable and we're on the right track.

All in the name of progress....right?  Tongue Embarrassed

Wolfey2014

Maybe, but I thin pencil mod is unnecessary, because PLL is stable.
There are no reasonable way to detect false negative results, because the only way if you check the job in full range on a trusted hardware or software. In this case, you do the job twice and it is an inadmissible overhead.

Awesome! I'll gonna try to beat that Smiley!

My opinion is it's not a good idea, because
- every 100mV gives more less extra frequency and efficiency will be very bad.
- i tried to add more 280mV and it caused temperature runaway in idle state.


Solder bridges + resistor + pencil ?

Tell me your secret!

Nope, you need to change resistors only. Replace R52 with 100k, and place 120k to C32. In parallel it is 54.54kOhm, and VDD will be 1.97V.
If you would like to use only one resistor there is a 54.9kOhm in E96 series, but VDD will be more than 1.97V maybe 2V.

If it is working pls. for you, pls support my risky experiments:)
BTC: 1gqdzx8iSwUGt3vaoEaPCjvrWo7zKn7PK


I am giving out 0.6BTC to the first to get his Gridseed miner stable at 1100 MHz (<10 HW error in 24h) and post the steps to mod the miner. So far I have managed to get it stable at 1013 MHz, but I feel we can push it further.

Disclaimer: as always, I am not responsible for damage to your miner, do this at your own risk!

So i won 0.6BTC  Shocked

Sorry to disappoint, but that's not yet stable by my standards, which is less than 10 HW error in 24h. But obviously the highest stable frequency wins, so it will be you if you manage to get it stable...
Now that, folks, is called pushing it to the limit, great work mate.  Wink

Is it enought?



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