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Topic: [Group Buy] Avalon ASIC Chips (SebastianJu) Batch 6 ordered (Closed) - page 36. (Read 125254 times)
June 27, 2013, 03:24:43 AM
June 27, 2013, 03:00:08 AM
The total sum of the current batches of four EU group buys is currently only 6537. 
I think it will rise quite fast once first chips are delivered to any group buy. Because we already know the chips exist, miners from developers seem to be working, so everyone (who still has some money to spend) is waiting if the 9-10 weeks of delivery will be true or not. 
June 27, 2013, 02:50:15 AM
Has anyone contacted you about merging a number of the current groupbuys together to finish up the last batch(s)? I saw it suggested in a thread in order to fill up these final slow buys. I believe your name was brought up, as well as bizwoo and t13hydra.
Yes i was contacted and asked about it in the threads. But no one was really interested in it because of the additional layer of insecurity.
Here are the group buys I have considered:
1. t13hydra https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closedavalon-chips-0081-btc-globalescrow-batch2-secured-189582 batch 2: 1021
2. Marto74 https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-avalon-chips-escrow-john-k-please-check-refund-list-until-sunday-217316 batch 2: 48
3. bizwoo https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-avalon-chips-0082btc-k16-miner-assembly-60eur-200067 batch 2: 3470
4. SebastianJu https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/group-buy-avalon-asic-chips-sebastianju-batch-6-ordered-closed-187660 batch 6: 1998
Thanks to ujka for the list (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2584348).
June 26, 2013, 06:55:14 PM
EDIT: Thanks, got what I was looking for!
June 26, 2013, 04:39:55 PM
As long as more than one buyer is of the opinion that chips from early batches are worth it... 
It's a matter of 9-10 weeks of mining in the times of rapidly growing difficulty...That for sure... if the batches come in at different times. Im not so sure about it. My guess is that they all come at one time. I might be wrong, maybe Yifu holds younger batches back artificially too, i dont know. But i think all batches will be created at one time by the foundry, so they should be received by avalon at one time too.
I don't believe batch #6 from this very group buy could be delivered at the same time as batch #1...
June 26, 2013, 04:31:55 PM
As long as more than one buyer is of the opinion that chips from early batches are worth it...
It's a matter of 9-10 weeks of mining in the times of rapidly growing difficulty...That for sure... if the batches come in at different times. Im not so sure about it. My guess is that they all come at one time. I might be wrong, maybe Yifu holds younger batches back artificially too, i dont know. But i think all batches will be created at one time by the foundry, so they should be received by avalon at one time too.
June 26, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
As long as more than one buyer is of the opinion that chips from early batches are worth it...
Yes, that one too
June 26, 2013, 04:20:16 PM
As long as more than one buyer is of the opinion that chips from early batches are worth it...
It's a matter of 9-10 weeks of mining in the times of rapidly growing difficulty... June 26, 2013, 04:02:05 PM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
I think you can buy those chips here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242267.0;all
Thanks.
0.14 per chip... oh boy, those prices have really gone up.
that is greedy part of bitcoin story, but what can we do
As long as more than one buyer is of the opinion that chips from early batches are worth it...
June 26, 2013, 03:09:40 PM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
I think you can buy those chips here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242267.0;all
Thanks.
0.14 per chip... oh boy, those prices have really gone up.
that is greedy part of bitcoin story, but what can we do
June 26, 2013, 02:49:47 PM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
I think you can buy those chips here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242267.0;all
Thanks.
0.14 per chip... oh boy, those prices have really gone up.
June 26, 2013, 02:32:47 PM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
I think you can buy those chips here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242267.0;all
only 2,5 hours left
June 26, 2013, 09:53:00 AM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
I think you can buy those chips here
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242267.0;all
June 26, 2013, 09:16:29 AM
I have an order in batch #5, and need 6 more chips to complete the miner. Is there someone who is willing to sell me those six chips? Batch # is not important to me, of course, and I'll pay more (0.1BTC per chip) and be very grateful.
June 25, 2013, 06:55:01 PM
Would be a shame to have to use a fan to cool. Could imagine it giving a large price increase for power consumption. Would be allot sweeter to have a chip that is comfortable working at high temperatures period.
Avalons have fans too, burnins design too and some klondike assemblers plan to use fans too. I think when wanting to use it without fans it has to be undervolted to lower the heat.
June 25, 2013, 06:07:06 PM
Would be a shame to have to use a fan to cool. Could imagine it giving a large price increase for power consumption. Would be allot sweeter to have a chip that is comfortable working at high temperatures period.
Avalons have fans too, burnins design too and some klondike assemblers plan to use fans too. I think when wanting to use it without fans it has to be undervolted to lower the heat.
June 25, 2013, 06:04:16 PM
Look at this info from Bitsyncom/Yifu:
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
KNCMiner says: 500 W 175 GH/s that means: 2.86 J/GH
Burnin/Avalon says: 40 W 5.56 GH/s that means: 7.19 J/GH
So on the long term, when difficulty increases and power requirements count, the new techniques should be better.
But nobody knows if KNCMiner meets its power requirements or will ever deliver.
However we are pretty sure that we will get something from Burnin/Avalon in time.
All ASIC developers (AVALON, BFL, KNCMiner) try to sell their products at prices as high as they can.
Much more than the actual costs.
I didnt take the power consumption into account yet because its not a factor yet. But youre right of course. In the long term, when the power cost will mean something, then it will be a factor.
I guess avalon 2.0 will be similar to the chips from knc, bitfury and bfl. That means it will take time until they are ready. An advantage of them is that the assembly cost will be lower per gh too, a downside might be the higher heat if im not mistaken. But of course one day newer chips has to be used because the power costs are so high that running old asics isnt rewarding anymore. But thats away some time.
June 25, 2013, 04:55:44 PM
Look at this info from Bitsyncom/Yifu:
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
KNCMiner says: 500 W 175 GH/s that means: 2.86 J/GH
Burnin/Avalon says: 40 W 5.56 GH/s that means: 7.19 J/GH
So on the long term, when difficulty increases and power requirements count, the new techniques should be better.
But nobody knows if KNCMiner meets its power requirements or will ever deliver.
However we are pretty sure that we will get something from Burnin/Avalon in time.
All ASIC developers (AVALON, BFL, KNCMiner) try to sell their products at prices as high as they can.
Much more than the actual costs.
I didnt take the power consumption into account yet because its not a factor yet. But youre right of course. In the long term, when the power cost will mean something, then it will be a factor.
I guess avalon 2.0 will be similar to the chips from knc, bitfury and bfl. That means it will take time until they are ready. An advantage of them is that the assembly cost will be lower per gh too, a downside might be the higher heat if im not mistaken. But of course one day newer chips has to be used because the power costs are so high that running old asics isnt rewarding anymore. But thats away some time.
June 25, 2013, 04:50:40 PM
Look at this info from Bitsyncom/Yifu:
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
KNCMiner says: 500 W 175 GH/s that means: 2.86 J/GH
Burnin/Avalon says: 40 W 5.56 GH/s that means: 7.19 J/GH
So on the long term, when difficulty increases and power requirements count, the new techniques should be better.
But nobody knows if KNCMiner meets its power requirements or will ever deliver.
However we are pretty sure that we will get something from Burnin/Avalon in time.
All ASIC developers (AVALON, BFL, KNCMiner) try to sell their products at prices as high as they can.
Much more than the actual costs.
I didnt take the power consumption into account yet because its not a factor yet. But youre right of course. In the long term, when the power cost will mean something, then it will be a factor.
June 25, 2013, 03:30:56 PM
Look at this info from Bitsyncom/Yifu:
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
......
But i find it funny that the old technique, that is used by Asicminer or Avalon is nearly as good pricewise like the newest asic-tech that comes on the market.
Only some thoughts. Correct me if im wrong.
KNCMiner says: 500 W 175 GH/s that means: 2.86 J/GH
Burnin/Avalon says: 40 W 5.56 GH/s that means: 7.19 J/GH
So on the long term, when difficulty increases and power requirements count, the new techniques should be better.
But nobody knows if KNCMiner meets its power requirements or will ever deliver.
However we are pretty sure that we will get something from Burnin/Avalon in time.
All ASIC developers (AVALON, BFL, KNCMiner) try to sell their products at prices as high as they can.
Much more than the actual costs.
I didnt take the power consumption into account yet because its not a factor yet. But youre right of course. In the long term, when the power cost will mean something, then it will be a factor.
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