[Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! - page 102.

rideelement247

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I will be retracting my interest as well. I wish you all the best!

ragingazn628

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@ JohnK and fpgaminer

I am willing to provide JohnK with my identity with the following proof:

1. A scan of my driver's license.
2. A picture of me holding and showing my driver's license.
3. And if needed I can record myself with my driver's license so no suspicion of photoshop etc.

When I started this group buy I did not expect any drama at all. My #1 goal for this group buy right now is to redeem myself from the past. Again I did not scam anyone it was a misunderstanding but looking back at what has happened I do realized that I did make a mistake. So I would like to follow through with this group buy towards a path of redemption. When you are on the internet, apparently nothing you cannot hide anything

Without further a due we will start sending BTC to the escrow's address when we hit ~600 BTC.

JohnK let me know what and how I need to sign to get rid of any possible discrepancy. Thanks.

Quote from: Vycid on April 19, 2013, 07:13:24 PM

Put me down for 5 BTC. I may increase that stake later.

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Quote from: Kevlar on April 19, 2013, 07:27:27 PM

I'm in for 2.028 BTC. (26 chips) Please add me to the list.

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John (John K.)

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Quote from: fpgaminer on April 19, 2013, 07:38:30 PM

Retracting offer.

I finished my research on OP and though I do not believe there is anything foul going on here, I personally do not see enough trust for this amount of money. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this has caused to John or ragingazn628. Thank you for the opportunity.

I understand this concern and agree that there is a certain risk that has to be bourne by all parties involved. I would be able to offer multi-signature ownership of the funds if my trust is a concern here, although everyone will have to agree that I do not offer any personal warranty on the reliability of the multisig system.

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Quote from: fpgaminer on April 19, 2013, 07:38:30 PM

Retracting offer.

I finished my research on OP and though I do not believe there is anything foul going on here, I personally do not see enough trust for this amount of money. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this has caused to John or ragingazn628. Thank you for the opportunity.

Bitcoin enables trustless payments, but unfortunately some things still require trust. When someone figures out the 'Bitcoin' of handling physical goods, we will reach reach the next level of humanity.

fpgaminer

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Retracting offer.

I finished my research on OP and though I do not believe there is anything foul going on here, I personally do not see enough trust for this amount of money. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this has caused to John or ragingazn628. Thank you for the opportunity.

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I'm in for 2.028 BTC. (26 chips) Please add me to the list.

Vycid

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♫ the AM bear who cares ♫

Put me down for 5 BTC. I may increase that stake later.

fpgaminer

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I will be bound to the end then, but please note that my obligation of most of the funds is over once I pass this over to Avalon.(so if Avalon fails to ship or anything I'm not in fault although this is very unlikely)

Agreed, and understood.

John (John K.)

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Quote from: fpgaminer on April 19, 2013, 06:18:16 PM

Thank you for the responses, John, I appreciate it!

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4) No, so far. I would be willing to hold his identity in escrow if he allows this.

Personally, this would make me feel a little better. ~8BTC of collateral isn't much.

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1) It would be binding with all parties involved up to when I submit the order (and the funds) to Avalon. Afterwards, it would be between the buyers and ragingazn628.

I believe it would need to remain binding on you, since you will be holding a portion of BTC in escrow.

So, to complete our participation in this group buy, each group buyer should:

1) Send BTC to the address John specified.
2) Reply (or PM?) stating the amount paid, expected number of chips, and preferably signed with (one of) the sending addresses.

Is that correct? Shall we wait for confirmation by ragingazn628 to the agreement thus far before proceeding?

Thank you again.

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As for the contract, please use the paste bin link, and CTRL-A CTRL-V it to notepad to verify it. The forum has spacing bugs which will invalidate the signature.

Oddly enough, I downloaded the file for that very reason, and got the bad sig. After going to pastebin and copy-pasting it from there, instead of downloading, I got a good sig:

Code:

$ gpg --verify asic.txt
gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory!
gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/faqs.html for more information
gpg: Signature made Fri, Apr 19, 2013  2:28:16 PM PDT using RSA key ID B3AAEEB0
gpg: Good signature from "John Koh (johnthedong@bitcointalk) "
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 42B6 DC51 3D9D FDEC 4C28  7CD7 8353 E637 B3AA EEB0

Yes, I kind of forgot that I will be holding his fee as collateral (and probably identity). I will be bound to the end then, but please note that my obligation of most of the funds is over once I pass this over to Avalon.(so if Avalon fails to ship or anything I'm not in fault although this is very unlikely)

Please proceed with the payment after ragingazn628 gives to go-ahead. Please post the amount you'll be sending before sending the coins or sign your tx with your btc address to prevent others claiming your payment
Thanks!

fpgaminer

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Thank you for the responses, John, I appreciate it!

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4) No, so far. I would be willing to hold his identity in escrow if he allows this.

Personally, this would make me feel a little better. ~8BTC of collateral isn't much.

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1) It would be binding with all parties involved up to when I submit the order (and the funds) to Avalon. Afterwards, it would be between the buyers and ragingazn628.

I believe it would need to remain binding on you, since you will be holding a portion of BTC in escrow.

So, to complete our participation in this group buy, each group buyer should:

1) Send BTC to the address John specified.
2) Reply (or PM?) stating the amount paid, expected number of chips, and preferably signed with (one of) the sending addresses.

Is that correct? Shall we wait for confirmation by ragingazn628 to the agreement thus far before proceeding?

Thank you again.

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As for the contract, please use the paste bin link, and CTRL-A CTRL-V it to notepad to verify it. The forum has spacing bugs which will invalidate the signature.

Oddly enough, I downloaded the file for that very reason, and got the bad sig. After going to pastebin and copy-pasting it from there, instead of downloading, I got a good sig:

Code:

$ gpg --verify asic.txt
gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory!
gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/faqs.html for more information
gpg: Signature made Fri, Apr 19, 2013  2:28:16 PM PDT using RSA key ID B3AAEEB0
gpg: Good signature from "John Koh (johnthedong@bitcointalk) "
gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
Primary key fingerprint: 42B6 DC51 3D9D FDEC 4C28  7CD7 8353 E637 B3AA EEB0

John (John K.)

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Quote from: fpgaminer on April 19, 2013, 04:50:42 PM

John, thank you for taking the time to facilatate these transactions. A few questions, if you wouldn't mind:

1) Is that contract binding between you and ragingazn628, or is it binding between you and all parties participating in this group buy (Group Buyers)?
2) What will you do if ragingazn628 keeps the chips for himself?
3) Do I understand correctly that we (the group buyers) will deliver the full payment to you (John), including ragingazn628's 1% fee, and you will hold that 1% fee in escrow?
4) Have you done anything to verify ragingazn628's identity and destination shipping address?

I mean this with no disrespect to ragingazn628 or yourself; just trying to keep everything detailed and clear.

1) It would be binding with all parties involved up to when I submit the order (and the funds) to Avalon. Afterwards, it would be between the buyers and ragingazn628.

2) I would provide all information that I have in hand for this transaction to the public, and probably assist in any litigation/legal enforcement efforts.

3) Yes. I will forward the funds to Avalon when the preorder opens, and keep ragingazn628's fee in escrow.

4) No, so far. I would be willing to hold his identity in escrow if he allows this.

As for the contract, please use the paste bin link, and CTRL-A CTRL-V it to notepad to verify it. The forum has spacing bugs which will invalidate the signature.

fpgaminer

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I'm getting a bad signature when I check it:

Code:

$ gpg --verify asic.txt
gpg: WARNING: using insecure memory!
gpg: please see http://www.gnupg.org/documentation/faqs.html for more information
gpg: Signature made Fri, Apr 19, 2013  2:28:16 PM PDT using RSA key ID B3AAEEB0
gpg: BAD signature from "John Koh (johnthedong@bitcointalk) "

Here is the public key I retrieved for John:

Code:

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samurai1200

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C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG>gpg2.exe --verify C:\asic.txt
gpg: Signature made 04/19/13 14:28:16 Pacific Daylight Time using RSA key ID B3AAEEB0

Am I doing it right? Roll Eyes

fpgaminer

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John, thank you for taking the time to facilatate these transactions. A few questions, if you wouldn't mind:

1) Is that contract binding between you and ragingazn628, or is it binding between you and all parties participating in this group buy (Group Buyers)?
2) What will you do if ragingazn628 keeps the chips for himself?
3) Do I understand correctly that we (the group buyers) will deliver the full payment to you (John), including ragingazn628's 1% fee, and you will hold that 1% fee in escrow?
4) Have you done anything to verify ragingazn628's identity and destination shipping address?

I mean this with no disrespect to ragingazn628 or yourself; just trying to keep everything detailed and clear.

John (John K.)

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Escrow contract: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Xtx4M6nN

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

The escrow address for ragingazn628's group buy transaction for Avalon ASICs chips would be:

1At75rKd6e8b7S7AAPzZ5V3kAzhkGYhnpU

Please state and agree to the conditions (if item is received damaged, item lost with tracking, customs fee etc) beforehand.

If possible, GPG sign your agreement to prevent any discrepancies later on and please ship with tracking to prevent problems during delivery. GPG signing is not a requirement, and any verbal exchange in the form of private messages or posts on bitcointalk.org, or email is effective as a ‘statement of condition’.

The fine print:
This Contract is solely generated for the purpose of facilitating the transaction between the seller and the buyer, which refers to the pseudonyms used on bitcointalk.org.
The escrow holder, John, assumes and gives no liability or guarantees on the satisfaction of all parties involved, although he agrees to mediate and facilitate the deal to the fullest extent he is capable of. On the event that any problems arises, he will release the escrow to whichever party that presents him with the most convincing proof and/or after an open discussion with others or theymos.
The verbal acceptance by both parties (or the failure to reject) and the sending of Bitcoins to the escrow address above constitutes the acceptance of the terms and conditions stated, and the activation of this Contract.

Thank you.

John (the escrow holder)
20 April 2013
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thdvmgbgjn

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Hi, I was interested in 5 BTC earlier. However my stupid email filter threw all Bitcoin posts into the trash after tax day... ugh. Hope you can recount me in OP....

salfter

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My PGP Key: 92C7689C

If it's not too late, I'm good for BTC1. I've had a couple of BFL Jalapeños on preorder since August...would be interesting to see what arrives first. Grin

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Quote from: ragingazn628 on April 18, 2013, 12:03:04 PM

Quote from: dan99 on April 18, 2013, 11:57:29 AM

if you do not have a single clue on what to do with the chip better consider buying a complete set..

yeah this is for engineers or people who knows how to follow the DIY guide and put together a system. I already have a few local guys lined up to tackle this. I will let everyone know the progress and if they would like their chips assembled once they arrived and I have some sort of prototype ready. But that's all in the future just planning ahead for now.

When can I buy a complete set and for how much?

ragingazn628

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Here's the updated fees guys:

The total before fees is 782.1 BTC

JohnK's fee: 1.5% or 11.7315 BTC
My fee: 1.0% or 7.821 BTC

- I also added another column in the spread sheet: BTC Need to send to Escrow.

Obviously in this column, it is the exact amount in which you need to send to JohnK.

My fee: 1.0% or 7.821 BTC will also be sent to Escrow's address and will stay there until I start shipping and giving out tracking info!

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