Topic: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! - page 4. (Read 150651 times)

Just want to say that prodigits refunded me with his own BTC. 

I'm here to let all the group members and those of the KnCMiner's group buy know that ragingazn628 is holding 11.6BTC that belongs to me and refuses to give them back. He has kept all those shares that I personally refunded to people, all for himself, as well as the 8 shares (4BTC) which I originally put in. He has left me out of it entirely and has not informed any of the other group members of what he did to me or how he continues to pocket my share of the profits.

in total, he owes me 11.6BTC from the entire KnCMiners Group Buy situation which I went I stuck my neck out for him and defended him and was his apologist. I started refunding group buy members with my own bitcoins, only because Ragingazn628 assured me that he would reimburse me once the actual KncMiner refund came through. I would never have done it otherwise. When the refund finally came through, he turned his back on me and refused to return the BTC that I had handed out to people.

JohnK was a witness to all this because I made sure to include you and inform you every step of the way. He was sent PM, Skype and GChat messages by me and ragingazn628 together. Now ragin's trying to screw me by not paying me back. Others that can vouch for me are Noitev and glendall and the actual people that I personally refunded including , damiano, piecinitup, floatyfish, danieldaniel, jesse11. You will see some of these people post on here to back up my story.

You all saw how MUCH I went out of my way to help him when he was depressed and at his lowest point. Yes its true that he gave me the sample chips, which were never actually used, to help his NEO-ASICs business venture. He had asked me to build him Klondike-16 and Avalon clones so he could sell to people through his site. After he got the refund from KnCMiner, he shut down the site (for a second time) changed his avatar and completely ignored the entire business. I still have the chips and offered to send them back to him.

I'm hoping with all your help, that I can get some justice in this situation and get back the BTC that is owed to me by Ragingazn628.

Yup that's before I finally opened up my eyes and see who you really are. Who knows what you were going to do with 10,000 Avalon Chips and $30,000+ KNC was going to wire into your account? I took action and refunded 98% of everyone and even used my own BTC on top of the KNC Miner refunds to refund the BTC people. Paypal was unfortunate because my account is frozen and there's nothing I can do about it now. I am waiting for John.K to refund my BTC so I can refund the Paypal people.

Did I tell you to refund those people?
No. You did it to try and put smoke and mirrors in my face so I wouldn't see the real you. You lied about having already refunded over 60+ BTC to people with YOUR OWN BTC. Then you tried to maneuver your way saying that the 60BTC was still in queue in coinbase until the KNC Wire transfer is completed so the BTC can be bought.

Again, I will say this one last time. You will get your refund when I get my refund from John.K. If I am responsible for the 2.6BTC for the Sample Chips then it will be deducted from you. Even though I am in no way legally responsible for the refunds that you self-willingly gave to some people, I will still refund that to you because it is the right thing to do. If you want to stay in the Mining Club and get shares from Week 1 and this upcoming payout then you can with out any deduction. Otherwise, I am done wasting my time and energy with you. I am tired of your constant harassment and idiotic threats. Please never post in my thread(s) again.

Believe what you want. Fact of the matter is: people got their refunds and payouts are being made regularly. Got the entire blockchain to back me up.

There is no question who the more reliable party is here.

Ragingazn... scamming since 2006!


Really makes you wonder about the value of his GB "shares"

May I remind everybody...in your own words

Quote from: ragingazn628 on September 20, 2013, 11:39:04 AM

"Again Prodigits7 will be in charge of refunds now. He will post to confirm this. He just emailed JohnK all the bank account info. "

What I owe Prodigits7:
-4 BTC for 8 KNCMiner Shares
-KnC BTC that he self-willingly refunded

In regard to ragingazn's personal refunds, I am still holding to that due to emails I have obtained from prodigits7. I will not post his email directly, but I ask that he show up in this thread to clarify his claims against ragingazn here.

Everyone else with an address should be refunded here, otherwise please PM me so that I can clear that up.

First and foremost I would like to point out that SL has nothing to do with this. You need to stop harassing him with any form of communication. He does NOT want to hear from you. Second, you need to stop with your absurd scare tactics. We are NOT doing anything illegal. As I have stated before, I am in no obligation to pay you back the BTC that you self-willingly sent to those people to cover up the fact that you lied about having already refunded "over 60 of your own Bitcoins". Again you sent those ~7 BTC (or how many ever) by yourself to try to cover up your sloppy mistake during your scam. You needed to gain trust from me that is why you thought sending a few bitcoin would help. However I will refund those BTC if you agree with my statement.

When I gave you the chips, I trusted you to be responsible for them and I had asked for them back to return to the group. But you did not. The chips will cost about 2.6 BTC (815 BTC https://blockchain.info/address/1At75rKd6e8b7S7AAPzZ5V3kAzhkGYhnpU total for the group buy and a total of 10,000 + 32 sample chips). It is now too late to return the chips because the group wants you or me to pay for the chips. You are responsible for the chips since it was your duty in Neo-ASICs to handle the hardware side of things. I still have the contract to prove it. The chips are worthless and cannot be resold so the fees must be paid due to negligence.

The only BTC I really owe you is the 4 BTC you sent for the 8 shares. I can add you to the mining company for 8 shares or you can fill out the refund form provided. Additionally since you bought the shares from the other group members self-willingly, you are able to add those shares to the group as well. I will count you in for the past 2 weeks of mining.

We are not doing anything illegal or committing any fraud. It is not illegal to mine Bitcoin. If it is illegal then you are/were involved in it because you opt in to buy shares. It is illegal however, to release any of our personal information without consent.

"I will also have a court ordered injunction that will freeze your entire operation as well as freeze all your bank account, debit and credit cards and all other assets including house, cars, computers and smartphones."

Go right ahead. I have a clear conscience. I have nothing to lose. Make my day.

Also for attempted fraud, Sam Cole co-founder of KnCMiner, already said he will help build a case against you for international grand theft fraud. He has all the evidence from the bank and recordings of you or someone calling in pretending to be me. The only person that knew all my information and the order information is you. On top of that I have an individual who's willing to step up and help me prove that you were also trying to pull something with her. I'm sure there were others from the Facebook Group that you tried to exploit.

Let me know how we should proceed.

In regard to ragingazn's personal refunds, I am still holding to that due to emails I have obtained from prodigits7. I will not post his email directly, but I ask that he show up in this thread to clarify his claims against ragingazn here.

Everyone else with an address should be refunded here, otherwise please PM me so that I can clear that up.

I agree that he has a bad track reord, but we have the BTC from this group buy as collateral

The problem is that those chips are the only collateral that prodigits has.  If he sends those back, then he gives up all of the leverage he has.

I don't recommend him sending it back.  Ragingazn has had a HORRIBLE track record so far.

I sent a pm to john, ragingazn, prodigits.

Talked with prodigits7 a handful of times via skype and he's pretty upset with raging holding his funds. Basically, from what I can gather, Ragingazn won't send the funds til prodigits7 returns the chips and ragingazn gave the chips to prodigits for safekeeping. The fact it's because of the sample chips that raging won't refund is fairly weak in my opinion, but I proposed that after sending the chips, raging give prodigits funds back, and if he does not, to take them out of his share of this groupbuy. If raging can weigh in, I'd be happy to hear about it.

I'm here to let all the group members and those of the KnCMiner's group buy know that ragingazn628 is holding 11.6BTC that belongs to me and refuses to give them back. He has kept all those shares that I personally refunded to people, all for himself, as well as the 8 shares (4BTC) which I originally put in. He has left me out of it entirely and has not informed any of the other group members of what he did to me or how he continues to pocket my share of the profits.

in total, he owes me 11.6BTC from the entire KnCMiners Group Buy situation which I went I stuck my neck out for him and defended him and was his apologist. I started refunding group buy members with my own bitcoins, only because Ragingazn628 assured me that he would reimburse me once the actual KncMiner refund came through. I would never have done it otherwise. When the refund finally came through, he turned his back on me and refused to return the BTC that I had handed out to people.

JohnK was a witness to all this because I made sure to include you and inform you every step of the way. He was sent PM, Skype and GChat messages by me and ragingazn628 together. Now ragin's trying to screw me by not paying me back. Others that can vouch for me are Noitev and glendall and the actual people that I personally refunded including , damiano, piecinitup, floatyfish, danieldaniel, jesse11. You will see some of these people post on here to back up my story.

You all saw how MUCH I went out of my way to help him when he was depressed and at his lowest point. Yes its true that he gave me the sample chips, which were never actually used, to help his NEO-ASICs business venture. He had asked me to build him Klondike-16 and Avalon clones so he could sell to people through his site. After he got the refund from KnCMiner, he shut down the site (for a second time) changed his avatar and completely ignored the entire business. I still have the chips and offered to send them back to him.

I'm hoping with all your help, that I can get some justice in this situation and get back the BTC that is owed to me by Ragingazn628.

Just want to say that prodigits refunded me with his own BTC.  Ragin really should pay him back.

Ragin is either a scammer or has a mental disorder combined with incompetence/laziness, in this instance the GB participants were extremely lucky. If Yifu didn't screw up chip orders and offer refunds, they would likely have NOTHING. No (worthless) chips, no boards, etc. His stories were fake (ask him to produce an obit)... you can't very well speak ill of someone who has lost a family member or ask them to "prove it" and he has an extensive track record (check hard forums) of "issues."

I would encourage anyone who participated in this GB to add a negative trust so others aren't duped.

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