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Topic: [Group Buy#1] Avalon ASICs CHIPS! Using JohnK as escrow! FINISHED! - page 10. (Read 150591 times)

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Everybody involved has had AMPLE opportunity to make a timely claim or to contest the current list. If they haven't taken action at this point, the onus is on them.
My concern isn't that, it's that ""the current list"" is apparently still a WIP..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiYcEqkgyjc_dHdIRGhHMG43N21raXJVSjA4dk5nUVE#gid=0

It's only got about 1/4th of the chips/BTC filled in

Or what is the "current list" if not the spreadsheet John K is filling in..?

Said concern will be alleviated when the list is finished

Everything is in progress before it is finished.

Yesterday your concern was that John was rushing to completion, risking error. Now you opine that the list isn't done yet - following John's announcement that he needed to clarify things before continuing.

What would please you?
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Everybody involved has had AMPLE opportunity to make a timely claim or to contest the current list. If they haven't taken action at this point, the onus is on them.
My concern isn't that, it's that ""the current list"" is apparently still a WIP..

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiYcEqkgyjc_dHdIRGhHMG43N21raXJVSjA4dk5nUVE#gid=0

It's only got about 1/4th of the chips/BTC filled in

Or what is the "current list" if not the spreadsheet John K is filling in..?

Said concern will be alleviated when the list is finished
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Everybody involved has had AMPLE opportunity to make a timely claim or to contest the current list. If they haven't taken action at this point, the onus is on them.
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I think the sheet is still a work in progress.  There are over 90 people participating in this group buy, and his sheet is only 22 long.  I'm hoping that 68 people don't have issues.
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Continuing this once I get back in about 1-2 hours and confirm something with bigbeninlondon.

Hey John - just sent you a p.m. with my information as it was not listed on your sheet.

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To aid you in the transaction, I have created the transaction...

...

Here's the code version with the unnecessary comma removed:
Code:
sendmany "" '{"1xbbjJcbeD4Qi88QmJmMgTFSdm7b5WCG4":5.013261,"1L5VE93qbbepo5CJtyeQaVF6sM8PnqrmPL":3.1284,"1QG2H6u9KvjyrgSpEB8sAQH2qzjUPDGmYp":5.013261,"19xZgcRduMiZENg8etHgW3R8KzakHGHvj":1.0026522,"1FKJzNP3bc81Ch2tchffKDs2J7Qj7cjmUN":5.013261,"17S1mgHyWHdpXSSDUtK9jY4Gpwi4sCeSAv":4.6926,"1NhSSrRW5Kqzki6TC2HVvHviEtQdxEBTeB":2.9008089,"17oDXLNifckeMjKk5CioRPHKu4txWAXPMG":1.0026522,"1Dq9q8MBbXFVSSHBtoysxnMwRzeG6rGtTo":6.64785,"1Ky1TKDV2cvHiNxE45sY4CfKyzkst8P4me":1.0026522,"174zoHrPuXNWVsRaNQYxYesihHYoKEKnsc":20.334600000000002,"1NpJWh55tae9Zd7VKRiWknVn8orDBDRi9V":50.1349563,"12hv7UcFgrBWLjWs5McPYP63Yza6ufT6Sw":23.463,"1GrEWEN9hMUAcKkCEtTKD6f2dQn68XKznt":2.0678724,"12KHW3i2Hamk1irY8b181N4vMXUnVYL1ah":4.0106088,"1HwrMG83oVJKABuLHouUvArCGsBuHqafTt":1.5305697,"1PVPGVQGfT8xiUYTNFkBxH7yRBQdUtNrvX":2.03346,"1Ki3sFg6bCasB6tkuMW41DCCpGFDgDHVgL":3.0079566,"17RXcRMUiXqsQkCqqYKXJkP1B4Lqm47hFB":1.0222047,"1CCa1scp5vLrbaha4MZ4sUFn3uboAjpRGX":20.053826100000002,"1F6WM3rjDzVDWRTMz5Q3pwU2T6dZ6Nrb9C":1.01673,"1Q1img1shsDS2sjy3781hpkSAW6eG1rUBm":39.105000000000004,"16SSPCBRxzaiXjA6XoCpq8tBvJdhoSSPmA":3.1635945}' 1 "RaginAzn's Avalon Group buy 1 Refund"

Thanks for putting that together, redphlegm.

Nice bit of coder redphlegm.  Your insistence did make me suspicious at first, but just before John chimed in I was in a "dark dark place".  Now it just seems you're being nerdy.

I'm sure John has this covered either way.

ciao ppls
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My spoon is too big!

It doesn't take any time to put the command together. You can do it yourself and see. Open John's spreadsheet and then save a copy. Take the first bit of code, paste it into cell F2. Then select that cell,

and in the same cut and paste steps you send out each one by one ...  why be cute?

Transaction fees, primarily. Doing it one by one doesn't change the risk of error at all.

That depends on John being comfortable with sendmany, of course. This is his show.

Completely agree that it's his show and whatever route he chooses I'm fine with, though I would contend that the risk error would probably be higher doing them individually due to missed/repeated copy & pastes or the blurring together of steps due to monotony/repetition. The risk error fear is simply (at least in my opinion) due to people's ignorance of the existence / use of the command coupled with a fear of the unknown (or perhaps technology). Saved fees are one thing, sure, but it will also save John time and get us our refunds more quickly. It will also be quicker for everyone to verify that the transaction went through since everyone will be part of the same transaction rather than John having to PM / email everyone their own tx number / link.

I'll step off the soapbox now and leave it in John's hands. My only real goal was to try to continue to facilitate in any way possible to get us our refunds, mitigate potential errors, and just get this whole thing behind us.
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My spoon is too big!
Hey, have you done this list by the new spreadsheet? because for some reason my return address isn't here

Understand that this should not be taken definitively or used as the final transaction. Rather, I took a(n incomplete) version of John's spreadsheet, copied it, and generated the proper sendmany transaction such that all he had to do was copy a formula to a cell, drag-copy it to the rest of the cells, and copy another formula to generate the sendmany. It was just to illustrate that it was possible (and quite easy). It was not meant to be the final version. You should look to John's linked spreadsheet (or anything else he links) as final. This was just to help him. He may choose to use it or he may choose to go another route. It's ultimately up to him.
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To aid you in the transaction, I have created the transaction that will take your data and require one small change to execute it. In column F, insert this formula and then drag it down to copy it to the rest of the rows that have addresses / amounts:
Code:
=concatenate("""",B2,"""",":",C2,", ")

Then somewhere else (doesn't really matter where - I put it in G2), put this:
Code:
=concatenate("sendmany ","""",""""," ","'","{",F2:F24,"}'"," 1 ","""","RaginAzn's Avalon Group buy 1 Refund","""")

Using those two in a copy of your spreadsheet, I generated this:
sendmany "" '{"1xbbjJcbeD4Qi88QmJmMgTFSdm7b5WCG4":5.013261,"1L5VE93qbbepo5CJtyeQaVF6sM8PnqrmPL":3.1284,"1QG2H6u9KvjyrgSpEB8sAQH2qzjUPDGmYp":5.013261,"19xZgcRduMiZENg8etHgW3R8KzakHGHvj":1.0026522,"1FKJzNP3bc81Ch2tchffKDs2J7Qj7cjmUN":5.013261,"17S1mgHyWHdpXSSDUtK9jY4Gpwi4sCeSAv":4.6926,"1NhSSrRW5Kqzki6TC2HVvHviEtQdxEBTeB":2.9008089,"17oDXLNifckeMjKk5CioRPHKu4txWAXPMG":1.0026522,"1Dq9q8MBbXFVSSHBtoysxnMwRzeG6rGtTo":6.64785,"1Ky1TKDV2cvHiNxE45sY4CfKyzkst8P4me":1.0026522,"174zoHrPuXNWVsRaNQYxYesihHYoKEKnsc":20.334600000000002,"1NpJWh55tae9Zd7VKRiWknVn8orDBDRi9V":50.1349563,"12hv7UcFgrBWLjWs5McPYP63Yza6ufT6Sw":23.463,"1GrEWEN9hMUAcKkCEtTKD6f2dQn68XKznt":2.0678724,"12KHW3i2Hamk1irY8b181N4vMXUnVYL1ah":4.0106088,"1HwrMG83oVJKABuLHouUvArCGsBuHqafTt":1.5305697,"1PVPGVQGfT8xiUYTNFkBxH7yRBQdUtNrvX":2.03346,"1Ki3sFg6bCasB6tkuMW41DCCpGFDgDHVgL":3.0079566,"17RXcRMUiXqsQkCqqYKXJkP1B4Lqm47hFB":1.0222047,"1CCa1scp5vLrbaha4MZ4sUFn3uboAjpRGX":20.053826100000002,"1F6WM3rjDzVDWRTMz5Q3pwU2T6dZ6Nrb9C":1.01673,"1Q1img1shsDS2sjy3781hpkSAW6eG1rUBm":39.105000000000004,"16SSPCBRxzaiXjA6XoCpq8tBvJdhoSSPmA":3.1635945,}' 1 "RaginAzn's Avalon Group buy 1 Refund"

The only thing to do to run it after that is to remove the comma before the closed curly bracket at the end (red, bold, and underlined). This is because it was a copied formula for the rest of the cells above it that contain the comma. Of course you can change the minconfirm (the 1 at the end) and the comment for the transaction.

Here's the code version with the unnecessary comma removed:
Code:
sendmany "" '{"1xbbjJcbeD4Qi88QmJmMgTFSdm7b5WCG4":5.013261,"1L5VE93qbbepo5CJtyeQaVF6sM8PnqrmPL":3.1284,"1QG2H6u9KvjyrgSpEB8sAQH2qzjUPDGmYp":5.013261,"19xZgcRduMiZENg8etHgW3R8KzakHGHvj":1.0026522,"1FKJzNP3bc81Ch2tchffKDs2J7Qj7cjmUN":5.013261,"17S1mgHyWHdpXSSDUtK9jY4Gpwi4sCeSAv":4.6926,"1NhSSrRW5Kqzki6TC2HVvHviEtQdxEBTeB":2.9008089,"17oDXLNifckeMjKk5CioRPHKu4txWAXPMG":1.0026522,"1Dq9q8MBbXFVSSHBtoysxnMwRzeG6rGtTo":6.64785,"1Ky1TKDV2cvHiNxE45sY4CfKyzkst8P4me":1.0026522,"174zoHrPuXNWVsRaNQYxYesihHYoKEKnsc":20.334600000000002,"1NpJWh55tae9Zd7VKRiWknVn8orDBDRi9V":50.1349563,"12hv7UcFgrBWLjWs5McPYP63Yza6ufT6Sw":23.463,"1GrEWEN9hMUAcKkCEtTKD6f2dQn68XKznt":2.0678724,"12KHW3i2Hamk1irY8b181N4vMXUnVYL1ah":4.0106088,"1HwrMG83oVJKABuLHouUvArCGsBuHqafTt":1.5305697,"1PVPGVQGfT8xiUYTNFkBxH7yRBQdUtNrvX":2.03346,"1Ki3sFg6bCasB6tkuMW41DCCpGFDgDHVgL":3.0079566,"17RXcRMUiXqsQkCqqYKXJkP1B4Lqm47hFB":1.0222047,"1CCa1scp5vLrbaha4MZ4sUFn3uboAjpRGX":20.053826100000002,"1F6WM3rjDzVDWRTMz5Q3pwU2T6dZ6Nrb9C":1.01673,"1Q1img1shsDS2sjy3781hpkSAW6eG1rUBm":39.105000000000004,"16SSPCBRxzaiXjA6XoCpq8tBvJdhoSSPmA":3.1635945}' 1 "RaginAzn's Avalon Group buy 1 Refund"


Hey, have you done this list by the new spreadsheet? because for some reason my return address isn't here
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To aid you in the transaction, I have created the transaction...

...

Here's the code version with the unnecessary comma removed:
Code:
sendmany "" '{"1xbbjJcbeD4Qi88QmJmMgTFSdm7b5WCG4":5.013261,"1L5VE93qbbepo5CJtyeQaVF6sM8PnqrmPL":3.1284,"1QG2H6u9KvjyrgSpEB8sAQH2qzjUPDGmYp":5.013261,"19xZgcRduMiZENg8etHgW3R8KzakHGHvj":1.0026522,"1FKJzNP3bc81Ch2tchffKDs2J7Qj7cjmUN":5.013261,"17S1mgHyWHdpXSSDUtK9jY4Gpwi4sCeSAv":4.6926,"1NhSSrRW5Kqzki6TC2HVvHviEtQdxEBTeB":2.9008089,"17oDXLNifckeMjKk5CioRPHKu4txWAXPMG":1.0026522,"1Dq9q8MBbXFVSSHBtoysxnMwRzeG6rGtTo":6.64785,"1Ky1TKDV2cvHiNxE45sY4CfKyzkst8P4me":1.0026522,"174zoHrPuXNWVsRaNQYxYesihHYoKEKnsc":20.334600000000002,"1NpJWh55tae9Zd7VKRiWknVn8orDBDRi9V":50.1349563,"12hv7UcFgrBWLjWs5McPYP63Yza6ufT6Sw":23.463,"1GrEWEN9hMUAcKkCEtTKD6f2dQn68XKznt":2.0678724,"12KHW3i2Hamk1irY8b181N4vMXUnVYL1ah":4.0106088,"1HwrMG83oVJKABuLHouUvArCGsBuHqafTt":1.5305697,"1PVPGVQGfT8xiUYTNFkBxH7yRBQdUtNrvX":2.03346,"1Ki3sFg6bCasB6tkuMW41DCCpGFDgDHVgL":3.0079566,"17RXcRMUiXqsQkCqqYKXJkP1B4Lqm47hFB":1.0222047,"1CCa1scp5vLrbaha4MZ4sUFn3uboAjpRGX":20.053826100000002,"1F6WM3rjDzVDWRTMz5Q3pwU2T6dZ6Nrb9C":1.01673,"1Q1img1shsDS2sjy3781hpkSAW6eG1rUBm":39.105000000000004,"16SSPCBRxzaiXjA6XoCpq8tBvJdhoSSPmA":3.1635945}' 1 "RaginAzn's Avalon Group buy 1 Refund"

Thanks for putting that together, redphlegm.
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It doesn't take any time to put the command together. You can do it yourself and see. Open John's spreadsheet and then save a copy. Take the first bit of code, paste it into cell F2. Then select that cell,

and in the same cut and paste steps you send out each one by one ...  why be cute?

Transaction fees, primarily. Doing it one by one doesn't change the risk of error at all.

That depends on John being comfortable with sendmany, of course. This is his show.
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It doesn't take any time to put the command together. You can do it yourself and see. Open John's spreadsheet and then save a copy. Take the first bit of code, paste it into cell F2. Then select that cell,

and in the same cut and paste steps you send out each one by one ...  why be cute?
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Let's let John do this however he's most comfortable. I'm not listed on the new sheet, but I assume it's a work in progress.

Keep us updated.
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Why is anyone against doing this? Don't you realize that this type of transaction is done all the time with mining pools, gambling sites, etc? It's not a script. It's a command built into the bitcoind protocol / API. Not only is it faster (eliminating doing each one individually), it also applies the mining fee to the one transaction (for everything) and not to each individual transaction. It's easier for John, cheaper for us, and faster for everyone.

There's no script. See here for sendmany: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
Because you are doing this for the transfer of ~80,000$ and all it takes is one "whoops i made a typo sorry you're out 5000$ and you're not getting it back" or something else to go wrong, intentional or accidental

Less oversight for something like this is bad

what if the wrong person is listed?

Maybe you're right about TX but is a fee even required to get through on the current network?  i thought TX volume was far down from the peak

What? Typing them in one by one is magically less prone to error?

If we're super paranoid, John should ping 0.001 BTC to all of the addresses and confirm it's OK, THEN do the final send. But that seems unnecessary to me.

Some of us are on edge because we have thousands of dollars in this and we've been going around in circles for weeks with different forms, confirmations, people gathering them, adjusting for chip transfers, people trying to scam/break said forms, etc.

maybe a send many is fine, but the last fucking thing that should happen is he finishes up this form and sends it out immediately

I have 10.285 BTC in this, don't get haughty.

After weeks of collecting information, when exactly would you like this money to get refunded? I'm not clear on what you want to happen here.

Looks to me like the information is accurate for you anyway, so you'll get yours.
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Why is anyone against doing this? Don't you realize that this type of transaction is done all the time with mining pools, gambling sites, etc? It's not a script. It's a command built into the bitcoind protocol / API. Not only is it faster (eliminating doing each one individually), it also applies the mining fee to the one transaction (for everything) and not to each individual transaction. It's easier for John, cheaper for us, and faster for everyone.

There's no script. See here for sendmany: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
Because you are doing this for the transfer of ~80,000$ and all it takes is one "whoops i made a typo sorry you're out 5000$ and you're not getting it back" or something else to go wrong, intentional or accidental

Less oversight for something like this is bad

what if the wrong person is listed?

Maybe you're right about TX but is a fee even required to get through on the current network?  i thought TX volume was far down from the peak

What? Typing them in one by one is magically less prone to error?

If we're super paranoid, John should ping 0.001 BTC to all of the addresses and confirm it's OK, THEN do the final send. But that seems unnecessary to me.

Some of us are on edge because we have thousands of dollars in this and we've been going around in circles for weeks with different forms, confirmations, people gathering them, adjusting for chip transfers, people trying to scam/break said forms, etc.

maybe a send many is fine, but the last fucking thing that should happen is he finishes up this form and sends it out immediately
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♫ the AM bear who cares ♫
Why is anyone against doing this? Don't you realize that this type of transaction is done all the time with mining pools, gambling sites, etc? It's not a script. It's a command built into the bitcoind protocol / API. Not only is it faster (eliminating doing each one individually), it also applies the mining fee to the one transaction (for everything) and not to each individual transaction. It's easier for John, cheaper for us, and faster for everyone.

There's no script. See here for sendmany: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
Because you are doing this for the transfer of ~80,000$ and all it takes is one "whoops i made a typo sorry you're out 5000$ and you're not getting it back" or something else to go wrong, intentional or accidental

Less oversight for something like this is bad

what if the wrong person is listed?

Maybe you're right about TX but is a fee even required to get through on the current network?  i thought TX volume was far down from the peak

What? Typing them in one by one is magically less prone to error?

If we're super paranoid, John should ping 0.001 BTC to all of the addresses and confirm it's OK, THEN do the final send. But that seems unnecessary to me.
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Why is anyone against doing this? Don't you realize that this type of transaction is done all the time with mining pools, gambling sites, etc? It's not a script. It's a command built into the bitcoind protocol / API. Not only is it faster (eliminating doing each one individually), it also applies the mining fee to the one transaction (for everything) and not to each individual transaction. It's easier for John, cheaper for us, and faster for everyone.

There's no script. See here for sendmany: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
Because you are doing this for the transfer of ~80,000$ and all it takes is one "whoops i made a typo sorry you're out 5000$ and you're not getting it back" or something else to go wrong, intentional or accidental

Less oversight for something like this is bad

what if the wrong person is listed?

Maybe you're right about TX but is a fee even required to get through on the current network?  i thought TX volume was far down from the peak
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My spoon is too big!
that's nice and all, but this is a one and done event (the refund) so the time it takes to put together a script would be the same amount of time or more than just sending them out one by one



It doesn't take any time to put the command together. You can do it yourself and see. Open John's spreadsheet and then save a copy. Take the first bit of code, paste it into cell F2. Then select that cell, go to the bottom right corner where the plus sign shows up, and drag-copy it to all the cells below it in the rows that have content. After that, the second bit of code and paste it into G2 and press enter. Voila - you have the sendmany transaction with one extra comma. Copy the contents, remove the comma before the closed curly bracket, and press enter. Everyone's funds are sent in one transaction. This also saves time because only one transaction needs to be linked to everyone. We can see everything sent and John doesn't then have to copy / paste the transaction to every person - a time saver I neglected to mention initially.

Come to think of it, for as long as John has been doing escrow, I'd be surprised if he wasn't already familiar with sendmany. He might have already even used it.
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My spoon is too big!
Why is anyone against doing this? Don't you realize that this type of transaction is done all the time with mining pools, gambling sites, etc? It's not a script. It's a command built into the bitcoind protocol / API. Not only is it faster (eliminating doing each one individually), it also applies the mining fee to the one transaction (for everything) and not to each individual transaction. It's easier for John, cheaper for us, and faster for everyone.

There's no script. See here for sendmany: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_calls_list
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Any idea why I am not in this new payout sheet ?
I filled out the from that was posted and verified my return address with bigbeninlondon.
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