Haasonline Simple Trade Bot For BTCe and Bitstamp[Main topic] - page 81.

Stephan224

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Quote from: subhead on December 26, 2013, 03:55:59 PM

Quote from: EABEAB on December 26, 2013, 06:38:56 AM

Is this your bot posted on litecoin talk or a knock-off that one should be aware of ? :

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6733.0

Also please add BitFinex.com exchange
.12% trading fees.

i think this is scam. at least its a rip off of Stephans work.

It is not a rip-off, its the first generation i wrote and published. But it will not work anymore (time limited) and it does not contain all the security features and indicators added into the second generation. So it is totally useless. Cheesy

I will not promiss to add BitFinex on a short notice, as you maybe know i am working really hard on the big update of January. I am adding a lot of new technologies and features this this new version. I want to see how that goes first before i start adding new exchanges.

I have have a better look to all the other responces tomorrow.

subhead

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Quote from: EABEAB on December 26, 2013, 06:38:56 AM

Is this your bot posted on litecoin talk or a knock-off that one should be aware of ? :

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6733.0

Also please add BitFinex.com exchange
.12% trading fees.

i think this is scam. at least its a rip off of Stephans work.

subhead

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EABEAB

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Is this your bot posted on litecoin talk or a knock-off that one should be aware of ? :

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=6733.0

Also please add BitFinex.com exchange
.12% trading fees.

bx8389

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Quote from: Stephan224 on December 24, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

Looking to the responses, it beginning to look like i do have a secret. Grin

If you have tested a bunch of strategies and you are still unable to make some nice profits you should look at the setting you did not change. I know this sound stupid you have maybe tested them all, but i sure there is one you did not change. It the same setting all the users share if they report low profits amounts.

The answer/secret is the update timer.

At each advice i give i always recommend a update time of at least 60seconds. Why? Well at 20seconds the response would be to fast for most of the indicators. The effect is that trades will take place to soon. (aka almost no profit)

When you use at least 60seconds the ups and downs of a currency will become more clear. The indicators will benefit from this because it detect bigger changes and this way the outcome can be calculated better too. The bigger ups and downs will also result in much more profit.

I love the way krach explained this:

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The advantage of the bot is not speed, it is the lack of emotion and the lack of a crystal ball, trollbox, twitter or other influences. It only reacts to facts and that is it.

He is totally right about this.

However. If you want to trade at 20seconds, it is possible to do with the high/low and the price change indicator. Both do not need time to calculate a respond signal.

BTW At the coming big update of January 2014 i can disclose the 20seconds will be gone!

@Soak:
http://www.haasonline.com/trading-strategies/ Wink

Many thanks by explanation but many of my trials are in long term strategies, usually 3 and 5 minutes update
I will disclose the better parameters i found until now but WARNING: this behaves very badly in event of crash
Trading BTC update timer 5 minutes, disable minimum raise/drop
- macd-ma 26,48,22
- ROC (12, -0,050,0,050)
- price chage ( -10, 4 )

What i want really is to program a long term indicator ( like PPO ) to give general trend ( up or down ) and use RSI or stochastic short term indicator to "point" effective trade. With way of work for this bot is impossible because only “lucky” ppo lines crosses in exact moment of RSI trade.
I think will be a large improvement be able to configure some indicators ( ex ROC ) to work not on limit crossing but give a sign steady above and below limits. On MACD_MA and PPO the same - green zone or red zone: on limit i can became able to put a RSI indicator to do buys/sales on green part of PPO.
I think many of this issue and other suggestions given on this thread can be solved with possibility to add user defined functions.

Merry Christmas to all

Mevius

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Quote from: acegilz on December 24, 2013, 11:36:32 PM

is this really generating money or just another scam?

It's all a scam, now please move on.

acegilz

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is this really generating money or just another scam?

afia

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TS can u post benchmark files for long period. i suppose u have them. plz

u have done really nice bot. don't forget to do it for x768 screen resolution. and i have another suggestion to add simple martin to it.

any suggestion on wine support?

Code:

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Stephan224

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I am happy to explain them. But i am unable to give some real examples, you need to look whats going on at that moment with the prices.

High/Low Indicator
The high/low indicator is easy... just look at a chart. Between which prices does the price goes up and down? (whats the highest and whats the lowest price?)

Lets say the average price (or the price now) is $100. When you look at the chart you see that the price was $120 (high) and $80 (low) earlier that day. Well at that moment you could add a high/low indicator with the settings at buy < $80 and sell > $120.

However, if i would set these values i would set $90 and $110. The reason is because it is not very likely the $80 and $120 will be reached the next day when the bot is active. Besides with $90 and $110 i would get more buy and sell signals making more trades and this is more profit.

Please note: If the prices goes higher or lower then the given prices the bot will stop responding.

Price change indicator
The price change indicator responds to movement of the market price and the last buy and sell prices of the trade-bot.

For example, lets say your trade-bot has bought for the last price of $100. And you have added the price indicator with $+10 and $-10. In this cause the indicator will wait for a market price of $110. (last buy price=$100, wanted change $+10= $110) Now lets say your trade-bot has sold its coins for the price of $110. Now the indicator will look for a market price of $100 again. (last sell price=$110, wanted change $-10= $100)

The given $+10 and $-10 did i get by looking at the chart. If the average price movement is about $12 or more then $10 will do fine.

Please note: Due market movement it is more likely this indicator will sell at little higher price (> $110) and buy at a little lower price (< $100).

Please note: Do NOT reset your last buy and sell prices if you use this indicator. This indicator uses the last buy and sell prices.

PPO indicator
The PPO indicator is very simulair to the MACD-MA (or MACD-Histogram) the only difference is that the PPO percentage based. So the outcome is a little different.

Setting up the PPO can be done the same way. You can use 2minutes updates, 3minutes updates and up.

@subhead:
I understand you think you miss momentum. It is true and it is not true, i will explain it; Just open any chart on the internet that shows you the prices and at least 2 moving averages. Now play with the time setting. Do you see what happens? The cross-over momentum changes. The same happens to the simple trade bot when you use a different time interval.

BTW Merry Christmas to everybody at the forum here too!

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Quote from: Stephan224 on December 24, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

If you have tested a bunch of strategies and you are still unable to make some nice profits you should look at the setting you did not change. I know this sound stupid you have maybe tested them all, but i sure there is one you did not change. It the same setting all the users share if they report low profits amounts.

thats a perfect example of a "miracle" answer. maybe you could explain on your website all the options a bit better.

Quote from: Stephan224 on December 24, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

The answer/secret is the update timer.

At each advice i give i always recommend a update time of at least 60seconds. Why? Well at 20seconds the response would be to fast for most of the indicators. The effect is that trades will take place to soon. (aka almost no profit)

When you use at least 60seconds the ups and downs of a currency will become more clear. The indicators will benefit from this because it detect bigger changes and this way the outcome can be calculated better too. The bigger ups and downs will also result in much more profit

When we both talked in the past about my problem you told me that i should use an bigger interval. Since then i use an 180seconds interval with an PPO indicator. Is it okay to use such an big interval with and PPO indicator? Is 180 overall to much or should i decrease the interval? With 180 seconds interval length i have that feeling that the bot misses really often the opportunity for an profitable trade (at least this is my impression).

Quote from: Stephan224 on December 24, 2013, 11:00:36 AM

However. If you want to trade at 20seconds, it is possible to do with the high/low and the price change indicator. Both do not need time to calculate a respond signal.

BTW At the coming big update of January 2014 i can disclose the 20seconds will be gone!

When you read this thread carefully you see that a lot of people have problems settings up these high/low and price change indicators. Could you please provide an example of these indicators.

btw: merry christmas to all!

cheers,
subhead

Stephan224

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Looking to the responses, it beginning to look like i do have a secret. Grin

If you have tested a bunch of strategies and you are still unable to make some nice profits you should look at the setting you did not change. I know this sound stupid you have maybe tested them all, but i sure there is one you did not change. It the same setting all the users share if they report low profits amounts.

The answer/secret is the update timer.

At each advice i give i always recommend a update time of at least 60seconds. Why? Well at 20seconds the response would be to fast for most of the indicators. The effect is that trades will take place to soon. (aka almost no profit)

When you use at least 60seconds the ups and downs of a currency will become more clear. The indicators will benefit from this because it detect bigger changes and this way the outcome can be calculated better too. The bigger ups and downs will also result in much more profit.

I love the way krach explained this:

Quote

The advantage of the bot is not speed, it is the lack of emotion and the lack of a crystal ball, trollbox, twitter or other influences. It only reacts to facts and that is it.

He is totally right about this.

However. If you want to trade at 20seconds, it is possible to do with the high/low and the price change indicator. Both do not need time to calculate a respond signal.

BTW At the coming big update of January 2014 i can disclose the 20seconds will be gone!

@Soak:
http://www.haasonline.com/trading-strategies/ Wink

Soak

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Hello,

I just bought the bot. I don't want to make a lot of profit. Even if I make $10 or $20 per day with 1 BTC I would be happy.

I know the question has certainly been asked a lot of time but what settings do you recommand to put? I don't want to modify all the settings and I hoped the bot can works by itself but visibly I need to put some indicators.

So what's the point?

Thank you if anyone can take the time to answer me. Cheesy

krach

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Get Rekt

"anticipate "
Bots have 0 to do with antiipation and everything to do with "reaction" most apis can handle updates every 20 seconds so if the dip is faster than that it wont be able to react. The advantage of the bot is not speed, it is the lack of emotion and the lack of a crystal ball, trollbox, twitter or other influences. It only reacts to facts and that is it. You -can- be faster with manual trades.
" would like to use it to make sure that the trades exceed the Fees by a couple of dollars."
The bot automaticly trades above fees, so that you do not lose money by paying fees. If you want a bigger span then adjust the price difference to a couple of bucks and it will wait untill that threshold is reached.
We have to ask stefan if the trade log profit includes the fees or not.

dldavis007

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subhead,

I found that you must not check the "Reset last buy and sell price after sell command" in the Advanced Settings, if you want the "Buy at price: (or below)" to function properly.

I also found that it is best to keep the "Buy at price: (or below)" about half or less then the value of the "Sell at price: (or above)" setting.

Darrell

dldavis007

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subhead,

After some thought, it might be wise to put a small amount in to the "Buy at price: (or below)", I've often seen the bot "Sell" then almost immediately "Buy" because of a small dip in the rally. Often this would leave the bot in a "Bought" position during the start of a down trend. So, I guess there is a purpose for using the "Buy at price: (or below)".

Darrell

dldavis007

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subhead,

If you are like me you are probably making it seem harder than it really is.

If you want your trades to always be greater than $5, set the "Sell at price: (or above)" to 5.000000. This will ensure that the Sell price is always $5 or more greater than the Buy price.

The "Buy at price: (or below)" will force the bot to make the next buy at a price lower than the last sell (I'm not sure why you would want to always do this), so if you set it to -$5, the bot will make sure the price is $5 lower than the last sell when it makes the next Buy. You can play around with this, but I would recommend setting it to $0.

I hope this helps.

Try it with the benchmark on some historical data (I can post a link to some if you haven't saved any).

Darrell

dldavis007

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I played with the "Price Change Indicator" and it does seem to work. It is actually quite simple and seems to work very well.

I am going to combine it with a PPO Indicator with the "Sell at price: (or higher)" set to around $6 and the "Buy at price: (or lower)" set to $0. This should make sure that my trades are profitable (fee for 2btc trade is around $2.5 * 2 = $5).

I will let you know what happens.

Darrell

subhead

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i also struggle hard with the price change indicator. Some explanation would be nice.

dldavis007

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I also seem to be losing money when using this bot.

I have notice though that the recent rallies on BTC-e are not significant enough for this bot to really be successful for rapid trading (completing trades in around 10-15 minutes). For instance, two nights ago, I was able to make about $70 (I ended up losing about $30 of that though) by manually trading on BTC-e. The peaks and valleys of the opens and closes were not really high enough to allow the bot to make money. During my manual trading, I had to anticipate that the "Buys" and "Sells" would shoot up somewhat higher and lower than the opening and closing prices and put in the appropriate Buy and Sell orders on BTC-e. There is no way the bot could have traded in this manner. The main reason for this, is that the bot will never see the larger swings, they occur just too fast for the bot to see. This really became evident when I ran the benchmark on the same historical data that I was able to manually make money on. I don't remember the exact amount, but I think the bot said it would have made about $15. I've also noticed that the Benchmark profit does not seem to have the Fee taken out, so the $15 was probably even less.

I also still have not found a combination of indicators that I am satisfied will make my trades more profitable.

I haven't given up hope yet though, I think this bot could make money over longer periods of time, such as when the price changes in the range of $20 or more.

Has anyone had any luck with "Price Change Indicator"? I have tried several times to get it to work, but haven't figured it out yet. I would like to use it to make sure that the trades exceed the Fees by a couple of dollars. I suspect that a lot of the trades are too close to the price of the fee and I am constantly losing a little money on each transaction. I know without a doubt that this has happened in the past when I was trading with 0.1 btc. After a run of a couple of hours, the bot said I made a few dollars, but looking at the trade history on BTC-e I actually lost a few dollars.

Darrell

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Quote from: silverston on December 23, 2013, 08:08:54 PM

Quote from: bx8389 on December 23, 2013, 07:39:35 PM

Please: Have plans to make avaliable a interface so I can write my own functions-like mt4?
Also: Maybe all this is my fault but i have read almost all of this thread and haven't found someone posting a working configuration for this BOT, only "educational" examples. Is secret or someone can share a good working configuration?

I think this bot is really simple and have many good functions and potential but lack flexibility. One example: possibility to Buy/sell be dependent from one function result OR other function result. Or something as bot buy at x ( x is last buy value ) do normal operation but if anytime current value is below 95% of x bot should sell all values imediatly.

Regards

same thing.

i know this feeling. i got small success with the bot but over all i dont think (for me) buying this bot was worth the money. also i have a feeling that when u want to make some money with this bot you have to trade large amounts. It´s kind of strange when the bot only makes 2 trades a day and earns some cents. Also some buy and sell patters are more then wierd.

i really have hope in the advanced version of this bot. But i dont think that i buy the advanced version. It makes no sense for me because the simple bot didnt payed for itself.

The guides on haasonline are okay but in the end only short introduction into the indicators. These explanations can be found all over the internet. Why not explain how to adapt these indicators for an proper configuration? When i need to read up all by myself where is the point in an bot?

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