Topic: Hacked, cracked, carded... bitcointalk - home of scumbags - page 2. (Read 4343 times)

Why? I know some good forums that do exactly that. The name of this forum is "Bitcoin TALK"... how would this forum evolve without the section where keys/hacked accounts/etc... are sold?

This has been something that's bugged me for quite a while.  I used to give negs to people that were selling things that looked to be illigitimately gained, but there's so many of them that it's just useless.  There's no enforcement of any sort of policy against this.  That's one of the reasons I stopped doing escrow, who knows where the item I'm helping to sell came from.

However, it would be hard to make a policy that would fix this...  If it's a 'common sense' policy based on price it will just let the carders sell for more, blocking out the legitimate sellers.  The best thing to do is just trade with reputable members or get the card shipped with a receipt.

it fine if there is an official statement.

it seems it depends who works on the reports, some get taken down, others not

Its not, its just that staff wants to stay out this. Its the same when theymos does not restore (possibly) hacked and (possibly) sold accounts to the original owner. Someone from DT might want to issue warnings against those (like Vod did for MS keys), but it will probably not stop them. Neither buyers nor sellers.

btw, as expected my reports ratings dropped a percentage point, so I got the message.

yeah cool on that. if its what the staff says i am okay with it, obvious i have to. loosing a battle doesnt mean loosing the war.

Just wanted to add: Its not an "assumption" if people clearly state those keys are MSDN based.

I find this weirdly similar to what I said

I just got a statement from grue via pm regarding msdn keys:


ill skip my comment on this....

just let me push this back up while waiting on some statements...

okay i thought in one of my messages i wrote: if i want to sell something because i have it around but dont need it or need quick bucks, i might give an awesome discount (like 80%). but this wont work on hundreds of accounts. even if you are a reseller of whatsover you wont be able to provide endless awesome discounts on accs but you might be able to show some proof.

dont get me wrong, i like cheap stuff too but like i said before numerous times: 3$ on a netflix lifetime acc? NO WAY. I also not saying to kick anything in question that might be not legit, i would be happy with those that are obvious.

The tough question though - which I might have overlooked in my enthusiasm earlier - is where is the border? 80% discount is probably carded, how about 50%, 20%, 12.499999%?

You asked hilarious if they think an 80% discount is legit, but ignored their question about where the cut off point is between obviously carded and quicksale. The board will most likely stay as it is, if its obviously illegal (fake IDs) it will be removed, if its borderline (99.79% discount) it will stay.

mexxer you got something wrong, i never asked or assumed to ban people

Yup, you're not. You're talking about banning someone based on the assumption that he/she broke the service's(unrelated to bitcointalk) TOS. Bannable offense that is , my young padawan /sarcasm

again i am not talking about scams, i am talking about selling cracked, hacked and carded stuff.

if there is a posting for admins saying something like: "we dont care about people selling stolen stuff on here" i will just not look at the sections again or think about leaving the community. i dont care about the ongoing scams and i am not talking about scams.

tl;dr might make my point about those points later. Considering you want an official statement from the(an) admin:
(That quote is coming in handy)
As for banning every user for suspicion of doing something illegal , I say (coming up with a nice word to put this->Results not found-> Using passive-aggressive tone) bullcrap. If they openly describe it as being carded or illegal, then their thread should be deleted, a ban is not an answer. The thread I pointed out(earlier), an improvement on the guidelines(the one from theymos) might be better in this case IMO. But as it goes, until you don't create enough drama to get the attention of admins, rules stay as they are.

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Hilarious' say on the matter, below BB's post is also something you should take in mind

1) its i not ridiculous, illeagal stays illegal, paint it blue or red, still illegal. its that simple. Like i said, i am not complaining about illegal activitys going on on darknet webistes or at habbo, i am talking about those happening here. Wrong is wrong, thats always the way it has been.

2) I dont complaining about obvious scams, i do about obvious illegal activitys like selling hacked or carded stuff. If scamming isnt a real problem around here why do we have a section for accusations of it?

3) I have an issue with it because its falling back on this entire community. Just because something wrong is ongoing for a long time its a reson to allow it happen in the future? I have a problem seeing trades ongoing where seller put in hacked, carded and stolen stuff. Your mind would probably change if one of the accounts you own gets sold somewhere online putting you into deep shit. Its not a question of moral its just about wrong and right. Two options: the forum allows illegal stuff and we all dont care or it does not. Why always hiding in the grey area? Its to easy to hide behind the bipolarbob example...

4) Simple questions, try to reply honestly. Try to use just yes or no:

Do you think a 3$ lifetime netflix acc is legal?
Do you think an acc gen granting access to 70 sites is legal?
Do you think selling an item 80% of the regular price is legit?

If i have something here i dont need but i need money urgent, i might sell it off cheap because i am in need. But no one has hundreds off accounts around for the same sites. This cant be legit. Even if you are a reseller. Hiding behind a logic of: yes that might be possible, it has always been that way is just same lame, lazy bullshit excuse.

Well, i say it again: Staff and administration should talk about this and bring a clear statement on it. If the operators of this site decide they are okay with it, i can just stop visiting that sections or just leave the forum. Until its official, i can just try to change it.

Ofc, this is all just imho.

No, it really doesn't and comparing child pornography to a hacked or shared account is ridiculous as is complaining that allowing such sales on a mere forum is going to tarnish the entire currency. You can just as easily buy these accounts with Paypal or whatever on other forums but I guess it's down to whether theymos wants the activity here and that's up to him but needs to be clarified.


It has long been the rule that staff do not moderate scams or potential ones so I don't know why this is such a pressing issue for you but I'm more concerned about consistency. If it's deemed that we should remove them then I will but there needs to be consensus about what sort of threads get removed or not and staff all need to be on the same page whether we like the rule or not as we can't have one or two staff members deciding they don't like certain threads and removing the little amount they can whilst others ignore them and go by the existing rules. It just causes more problems and issues otherwise (just look at the threads we've already had in Meta today and the numerous people who have been complaining to me via PMs because they've had their threads removed whilst others haven't).


They might not be bipolarbob but people were complaining his deals were too good to be true and must be illegal but it looks like they weren't so do we trash those type of threads as well or do you just have issue with people selling accounts that are likely hacked or shared ? If so, why? Do we disallow anyone selling various giftcodes with discounts too? A lot might be carded or obtained nefariously but many others won't be but how can we tell? And that's why it's not always black and white and why we generally leave scams alone but if the admins want to change or amend the rules then I'm open to it but all the mods need to follow the rules set out currently as it's going to be messy otherwise.

like i asked in my pms to you, this basicly mean staff will not do anything about it if people start to trade obvious realted CP stuff beacause "no one can determine if it is a scam or illegal somewhere on the globe"? come on guys, thats just a lame excuse. again, 100% of the sellers are not BiPolarBob and while typing this you knew exactly there is a huge difference between him and those offers. Tell people about bitcointalk, let em browse the site and ask them what they think, they will tell you: oh thats the place where you can inform yourself but mostly buy cheap access to paid services sites. and you guys ask yourself why btc and btc related stuff is not taken serious?? there a plenty of place in the web where stuff like this can be traded, but not here.

if you really tell me its hard to decide if a netflix acc for 3$ is legit or not i better dont write what i think about a statement like this..... again i welcome everyone to explain me how this can be legit.

i beg on my knees, please proof me wrong!

i assume staff and administration should talk about this and get a out a clear statement about this. shouldnt be that hard, eh?

I don't want, why should I ?




Oh ok, now it's more clear.

In that case it is even worse.

That depends. Do you want to make this forum a nest for hackers and associate Bitcoin with them? If so, then there is no problem at all.

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I might have incorrectly expressed myself here (it's still too early for me). If there are indications that the goods are stolen/hacked then I will remove them until there's some official clarification (around here). I have only deleted a very small number of them (most were duplicates by the same seller though).

So depends only on the account who opened the thread.



It's really a 'big problem' 




Or bought with a stolen credit/debit card.