Topic: Hacked, cracked, carded... bitcointalk - home of scumbags - page 3. (Read 4343 times)

IMO when someone is selling accounts at a 90% or higher discount than their subscription it is hacked/stolen 99% of the time. I've noticed your reports and will only handle those where it is obvious that they are stolen/hacked until we get a statement on the forums as well. e.g. One of your reports contains a seller selling Brazzer accounts for ~5$; that subscription is worth over $100.

Trash all the threads!

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/staff-why-was-my-topic-trashed-1339037

I reported all theads bumped (or posted in or created) today in that fashion. As always, act on the reports or label them invalid so I know Im wasting my time with them. Even with my report numbers a few bad reports should drop me a percent.

This is why you need to join us on IRC.

I have only removed those that seemed like they were illegal (e.g. "they're hacked accounts"; "don't change password"). Besides, it is pretty obvious if someone is selling yearly subscriptions for a few dollars. If it was legal, they'd be rich by now.

Don't you think you should check with theymos first before taking things into your own hands and going renegade? Why are you going to trash all threads by newbie accounts but not going to do anything about the rule mexxer linked to? Isn't your idea of trashing all these threads going to be 'too complicated for a big userbase'? And what threads are you going to trash or not? Just people selling Hulu/Netflix accounts very cheaply or torrent invites and gift codes etc as well? Would you trash bipolarbob's threads? Are you going to trash a newbie's thread if he offers an Amazon voucher for 70% off? 60% off? 50% off? Where's the cut off point? Remember, we don't moderate scams because of the difficulty in doing so and the problems that arise from it but there needs to be a consensus among Staff about what theads will get removed or they are left be unless there is sufficient proof that they are illegal because all it will do is cause confusion and people will complain about double standards. I have previously only really trashed threads if they explicitly state that they're hacked or cracked etc but it's not going to do any good if there's no consistency and only you or a couple of staff are trashing threads by newbies whilst everyone else's are left alone. I'm all for cleaning this place up and wouldn't be against removing stuff that are almost certainly hacked/cracked/obtained fradulently etc and welcome some dialogue between staff about what should and shouldn't be allowed here but at the moment it isn't going to do any good if you're the only person removing threads by newbies.

Yes they will; starting with me. These accounts fall under rule 17. I'll delete any threads that I see/can delete.

Unfortunately I can not moderate members of higher hanks there at this time. Any reported threads started by newbies will be removed. 99% of those threads that sell accounts for very cheap are hacked/stolen and thus illegal. It is time that we cleared this place out.

That's too complicated for a big userbase. It would be best to "reinstate" the rule against these accounts; he posted about it somewhere.

Did you remember BipolarBob ? In those cases ... his giveaways were really legit (I suppose). However, the things (unfortunately)  will not change here... so let's move on .

No its not, I mediated a scam accusation a while back and the password for the account in question was also a password commonly found (as in several times) in e.g. the web000 database dump. They are either obtained via phishing or because of weak password. Most of the sellers even advise you not to change the password, which should make you cancel the deal immediately. People are greedy though and in their eyes they only steal from the big companies so there is no harm done. This is nothing new, the only new part is that these keys/passwords are now resold for bitcoin. The question is whether or not theymos wants something to be done about it. IMHO it easily falls under the "illegal goods" rule same as fake IDs or funny money.


Its too specific about invites to be applied here.

Ah okay. I was just speaking in general

My point was that yes you can find out if things are too good to be true, by getting caught. I wasn't suggesting it as a method of proof.

The problem is guessing and the discussion about it. A netflix or hulu acc for 3$ cant be legit. Please proof me wrong.

That post is too vague and selling invites is only a part of the problem

I wonder why this thread hasn't been mentioned even once: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/sales-of-accounts-and-invites-to-invite-only-sites-134779 . Is it ineffective ATM?

According to the stats of my reports nothing happend or a mod choosed to dissmiss it. I reported only three thread were the op stated the accounts were hacked. I might recall my stats wrong but it seems so. I will just go on and report everything that smells fishy.

@Minifrij i might be wrong on this but what bob does is not the common rule. He gives away stuff without asking for something or if he asks people know already there is some kind of reward. I like bob but the digital good section is not full of bobs giving away "expensive" stuff for for cheap because they want other people to jerk off without getting poor. Thats a fact and that logic works perfect in life. But please proof i am wrong.

Edit: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1327486 i would love to learn that this is legal. I just would like to know why i can buy accounts that cheap. Shouldnt be a problem to explain it if its legal.

Trying to determine whether things are legal or not by the logic of "It's too good to be true" doesn't work. Let's use BiPolarBob for example. He gives out completely legitimate giftcards for free or a fraction of the price; all of the nice things he has done would have made him a prime target to be a 'scammer' by your logic, rather than being praised. Sometimes deals are too good to be true, despite being legitimate.

As has been said earlier, the reason these items/deals still exist is due to there being a market for them. If you educate people on the risks of such deals rather than moaning about it here you would probably get more done towards your goal. Remove the demand and the people selling will reduce.

They still are classed as scams by the community most of the times. The staff don't moderate scams, and they aren't about to start.

Unless you're the one carding them, the cops wouldn't be interested in you for having a carded account.

As long as you report them and they are obviously hacked/cracked/stolen then it is highly likely that they are going to be removed. I remove after I see a reported thread. There isn't a fixed rule in regards to this.
However:
it is indirectly affected by this rule. Such accounts are illegal everywhere. We'll have to wait for theymos to make a statement in regards to this (there have been some in the past).

OK, so going by your logic, go out and buy the stuff you think are cracked/hacked/stolen and tell us they get cancelled or the cops show up at your door then make a scam accusation thread when you have the evidence

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Of course everyone is mostly right but it still doesnt change the forum rules.
I really dont recall any scams that got busted by the forum staff (in the last 2 years)
It is usually the community itself that makes it public and the perpetrator gets negative trust.

Um, yes you could buy it and find out when the gift card gets canceled or the cops show up at your door.  My point is that you can assume with good confidence that if someone's selling something that looks too good to be true, that it is stolen/carded/hacked/cracked. 

For me, I'm not going to risk it.

it is, as their tos (haha sooo funny) sometimes states: you are not allowed to change any account related data. just as an example