Topic: Has Bruce talked at all about the accusations of fraud against him? - page 3. (Read 6355 times)

wrong. libel has nothing to do with truth. This is covered in other threads. Libel is about malicious intent to bring shame and disrepute to the target.

At least one SA members have already admitted they where doing this out of revenge.

just email myfirstname @ mylastname . com

@ mikegogulski

I was interested in purchasing a bitcoin script from you. Can you PM me so we can chat? Im not allowed to PM myself yet :/

I know, I know.

Yes Bruce Wagner has responded multiple times. Here and in IRC. He has responded with dodges, lies, and half-apologies. The mortgage fraud was just mismanagement and he's really sorry for it, he never said he called the fbi just that he talked to them, etc,etc etc.

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Really, I honestly wish the Thailand/child prostitute stuff never got brought into the whole mess, because while it is certainly alarming, it is mostly completely circumstantial and somewhat ambiguous evidence and makes the whole thing look like a bad talk show episode. (Yes, I realize it is alarming and Bruce somewhat brought in on himself by his freakishly vociferous defending of Pattaya as the next location for a bitcoin conference. Why? I have no idea.)

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Mostly it is clear that he is a dodgy guy with a dodgy past that quite possibly screwed a lot of people out of money. This plus the fact that he was not only the biggest promoter of mybitcoin but supposedly lost 25k coins to them AND was supposedly paid back but refuses to provide any confirmation of that transaction makes me a lot more worried that he is currently scamming lots of people out of their money.

I have no idea why anyone in the bitcoin community would continue to defend him at this point. This project went from interesting open source project to some sort of shrill tribalism and cultishness in just a few months. Quite breathtaking actually. One minute bitcoin was a prototype, the next minute it was being sold as the One True Currency. One minute the forums were a useful place to talk about bitcoin, the next minute they were Our Home and Under Attack.

There are other places where interesting talk is happening around complementary currencies and both the advantages and limitations of the current blockchain technologies. But that place isn'[t here.

I applaud the developers for remaining largely clear of the fray and still focusing on the big picture of what is important about bitcoin.

This.

Wow, bbit, you are doing a better job of trolling new people here than anyone from SA ever did, keep up the good work. 

Bbit I think your concerns here are totally grounded, and if there's money changing hands to destry this man's reputation it would do a lot of harm to the credibility of these trolls.  Is there any more you can share about people being paid to slander this guy?

I would be happy to help get the message out in what is increasingly an unfair, one-sided conversation about Bruce being a money-swindling sex tourist with only circumstantial (online) evidence to back it up.

There aren't any concrete libel laws in America, we used to use the commonwealth law for libel but it has been struck down.
It is very hard to almost impossible for someone in America to be charged with defamation or libel due to the first amendment.
Because the accusations levied against Bruce are not provably false, there is no libel case.
Furthermore the communications decency act mostly makes libel cases pertaining to Internet forums impossible for the plaintiff to win.

Look, a troll!

I think we are starting to read off the same page bbit

This is my only concern. As I posted in the in the bitcoin discussion thread, I really do care about bitcoins. I've invested a lot of money in it over the past 9 months, and I trade a lot with BTC's. I don't want a huge PR mess explode in our faces to the likes of 'Crypto Currency often associated with fraudsters and paedophiles promoted by a convicted fraudster and potential paedophile'. There is already a lack of confidence with BitCoin which is reflected in the recent trading prices.

While it would be stupid to deny that there are a lot of trolls on SA, SA is not a troll site. You should check it out sometime - it is a huge community, and they discuss many things. It is foolish and naive not to look at the evidence that they have uncovered regarding Bruce and Ed.

I think that we need to look at the evidence, while ignoring obvious trolls, and get to the bottom of this situation.

I suppose I could have rose colored glasses on, they are leveling some terribly heavy accusations at him, but they arent entirely unfounded.

I'm not saying it wouldn't if it is true. I hope the community would quickly realize we need someone else or something else representing Bitcoin. But the fact you turn a blind eye to all the terrible things being said by SA members just shows you aren't paying attention.

I don't think anyone is claiming that SA is ONLY presenting evidence, but they ARE presenting evidence.
Interest in bitcoin, or interest in seeing a scammer get his come-upance, either way they sure seem interested in the matter at hand, to all btc users benefit.

It benefits you too bbit, whether you want to admit it or not.

To me it really seems like Bitcoin associating with Bruce would cause irreparable harm to the Bitcoin name.
As a community we need to cast him out, it is nothing personal but he has demonstrated in past and current situations that he is not trustworthy or a good image to represent Bitcoin.

To me it kind of seems like Bruce stole (or spent) a lot of bitcoins that he had access to and then claimed that he lost them.
I can't accept that any person would be so careless with such an irreplaceable file; but nobody really knows I guess.

You are aware of bandwidth costs? Running a site that large cant be cheap and they have very few ads. IIRC they pay a single time to acquire posting rights, so the users aren't being paid, but are actually themselves paying.
Are you honestly suggesting that the owners of SA have some kind of trolling slush fund they dip into to pay users to troll other sites?

I'm not sure how you equate me asking about info they've uncovered with having my head up their ass.
I would argue that if anyone here has lost objectivity its you.
Do you think they are fabricating court documents etc?  Whether or not some users troll is a moot point right now.
Have you personally looked at the evidence?

Please dont call me names, I havent called you any.