Has anyone else with a higher order than 2211 received their order yet or some notification that is even being dispatched?
this isn't a rhetorical question, i'm actually asking all members reading this if they can throw some light on this subject and let us know whats going on as hashfast is giving us nothing. we need to work together here.
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still wait for my refund, that buich of losers, waiting now too long. cant take it anymore. im been crazy.
or they have paid the R&D costs and now have access to thier own hardware production line for cheap. Bitfury did this - thats why Dave has an $8M/month farm while the only equipment for sale is about $10/GH
Would anyone be surprised if HashFast Technologies LLC was without a penny and were licensing the ASIC IP from unamed_company LLC? That naturally you can't sue?Posted from Bitcointa.lk - #r0JViIfpAE1Eagfp
I might as well crosspost here because our replies in the other thread will be deleted as soon as Hashfast_CL is waken up at 10am by his/her mom to get breakfast
First see, then believe
You have not shipped Upgrade kits or Sierra's too, so why would we believe you?
Are you seriously going taunt us and laugh in our face?
The MPP should have shipped out the 1st of Feb. The Upgrade kits should have shipped in December. As should the Sierras. And the BBJets were also 2 months late
the only thing to come to those who wait is an increase in diffulty
MPP is coming SoonTM.
First see, then believe
You have not shipped Upgrade kits or Sierra's too, so why would we believe you?
Sit tight and be patient. Great things come to those who wait! 
Are you seriously going taunt us and laugh in our face?
The MPP should have shipped out the 1st of Feb. The Upgrade kits should have shipped in December. As should the Sierras. And the BBJets were also 2 months late
the only thing to come to those who wait is an increase in diffulty
Well at least I doubt he's making much anymore. Can't be many people buying from ScamFast now.
This is why they will have to move away from preorders, in favour of shipping in stock products...
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or they have paid the R&D costs and now have access to thier own hardware production line for cheap. Bitfury did this - thats why Dave has an $8M/month farm while the only equipment for sale is about $10/GH
MPP is coming SoonTM. Sit tight and be patient. Great things come to those who wait!
This epic full retard has to be here for posterity. HOW ABOUT YOU SIT AND BE PATIENT WHILE YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY DAY YOU MORONIC DUMBFUCK IDIOT???
She really used to get under my skin, also. ...not anymore.
Well at least I doubt he's making much anymore. Can't be many people buying from ScamFast now.
This is why they will have to move away from preorders, in favour of shipping in stock products...
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MPP is coming SoonTM. Sit tight and be patient. Great things come to those who wait!
This epic full retard has to be here for posterity. HOW ABOUT YOU SIT AND BE PATIENT WHILE YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY DAY YOU MORONIC DUMBFUCK IDIOT???
Well at least I doubt he's making much anymore. Can't be many people buying from ScamFast now.
MPP is coming SoonTM. Sit tight and be patient. Great things come to those who wait!
This epic full retard has to be here for posterity. HOW ABOUT YOU SIT AND BE PATIENT WHILE YOU LOSE MONEY EVERY DAY YOU MORONIC DUMBFUCK IDIOT???
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the times you are online makes we wonder where you work from, probably not the US. Who are you HashLast_CL?
Why did you promise full btc refunds if either:
a. You don't understand the volatility of bitcoin
or
b. You don't hold all btc payments in full in case of refunds.
a. You don't understand the volatility of bitcoin
or
b. You don't hold all btc payments in full in case of refunds.
If HashFast had enough resources to build your machine without your money, we would have simply kept the machines for ourselves and not taken the unnecessary (and risky) step of involving customers.
"Full BTC refunds" means a full refund of the price (which is always denominated in USD) via the exchange medium of BTC.
Unfortunately, the decision of a few disgruntled customers to lawyer up and go the legal route forced HashFast to issue refunds solely in USD.
not believe a single word of HF!
i think you got a chance there.
Sadly, I don't because I simple don't have the time— or emotional tolerance— to see these guys through to court. Fortunately other people are already in the process of suing them, so some amount of justice may still be served.I started the heavy prodding in public when I saw they were soliciting more rubes to screw over, with only a mild hope that I'd ever see a dollar or a Bitcoin out of them— that maybe if they saw they they were going to be able to get away with the highly profitable task of pulling in more victims without complaint they might try to rescue things with their past customers. I think that at least the recent noise has been successful at increasing a lot of awareness, and maybe saved some people a $6k loss, so thats all good.
If there is anything someone thinks I can easily do to help them recover please let me know.
The bottom line is that money is power.
Well, hey, some of us still have money here, and their 90%-100% losses on HF so far haven't left them broke. Is there some slot where I can insert money and receive justice? I too am unhappy with them getting away with the fraud— even more so than my financial loss. I'm willing to double down on my losses if I was reasonably confident that the result would be them not getting away with it, because I'm very concerned with the long term effects on the mining ecosystem if its possible for hardware vendors to freely get away with fraud. What I don't have an abundance of is time.I was thinking of perhaps funding some bounties for things like most effective community action to prevent others from getting defrauded by hashfast, but I'm not sure I have time to administer it— and esp. in terms of figuring how how to convince people that I'm being serious when I say that I really don't want anything illegal done.
BFL got away with a lot of crap, but they never promised full BTC refunds so this is why HF's case is so interesting.
Edit: This is just too good to not quote it for history:
Why did you promise full btc refunds if either:
a. You don't understand the volatility of bitcoin
or
b. You don't hold all btc payments in full in case of refunds.
a. You don't understand the volatility of bitcoin
or
b. You don't hold all btc payments in full in case of refunds.
If HashFast had enough resources to build your machine without your money, we would have simply kept the machines for ourselves and not taken the unnecessary (and risky) step of involving customers.
"Full BTC refunds" means a full refund of the price (which is always denominated in USD) via the exchange medium of BTC.
Unfortunately, the decision of a few disgruntled customers to lawyer up and go the legal route forced HashFast to issue refunds solely in USD.
Yes, i hope you are right and as HF stated explicit BTC-refunds i think you got a chance there.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
Deals denominated in something other than fiat currency are not new. I think the law is just fine. For example, a judge ordered CoinLab to deliver bitcoins to Bitvestment, and not some USD-equivilent.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/
Yes, i think we have to distinguish here between orders placed with Bitcoin and orders placed with US$.
Orders placed in BTC have a chance imo to get their BTCs back, but whats the situation for those that paid in US$?
They are of course offered a US$ refund but as i already stated thats a situation very close to fraud, cause they basically are able to choose what suits them best. Like a BTC-call-option.
Had Hashfast just accepted BTC as a form of payment like many vendors out there, yes you should not expect full refund in BTC. However, HashFast team had been advertising and giving ppl a sale agreement that they WOULD refund the full BTC amount if they couldnt deliver the products.
Its clearly the contract that they now refused to abide.
Order placed in USD can choose between USD refunds or hardware. What could be better than that?
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Yes, i hope you are right and as HF stated explicit BTC-refunds i think you got a chance there.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
Deals denominated in something other than fiat currency are not new. I think the law is just fine. For example, a judge ordered CoinLab to deliver bitcoins to Bitvestment, and not some USD-equivilent.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/
Yes, i think we have to distinguish here between orders placed with Bitcoin and orders placed with US$.
Orders placed in BTC have a chance imo to get their BTCs back, but whats the situation for those that paid in US$?
They are of course offered a US$ refund but as i already stated thats a situation very close to fraud, cause they basically are able to choose what suits them best. Like a BTC-call-option.
Yes, i hope you are right and as HF stated explicit BTC-refunds i think you got a chance there.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
Deals denominated in something other than fiat currency are not new. I think the law is just fine. For example, a judge ordered CoinLab to deliver bitcoins to Bitvestment, and not some USD-equivilent.
http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2013/11/07/judge-orders-coinlab-to-pay-up-in-bitcoin/
So there is a gap in lawmaking and HF is using this gap to commit fraud.
I don't really agree there. This is what contracts exist for. The law doesn't have to forsee in advance every possible business contingency. There is no basis in law that says that you can just ignore a contract when it suits you.Yes, i hope you are right and as HF stated explicit BTC-refunds i think you got a chance there.
I see a gap in lawmaking more as a general problem when it comes to mining and late deliveries, cause in a traditional customer protection way of thinking there is nothing wrong with not delivering and offering a refund after 6 months. And this fits perfectly to maybe a purchase of a BMW or whatever but it doesnt fit the purchase of a Bitcoin-miner. And thats where i see a gap in lawmaking.
Edit: Basically the Bitcoin-Miner-Manufacturer misuses his customers as a way of Bitcoin-Call-Option. If BTC/Fiat stays the same they deliver, if it raises they choose not to deliver and to offer you a US$ refund.
So there is a gap in lawmaking and HF is using this gap to commit fraud.
I don't really agree there. This is what contracts exist for. The law doesn't have to forsee in advance every possible business contingency. There is no basis in law that says that you can just ignore a contract when it suits you.HashFast's behavior has been completely unacceptable by any measure. The fact that they seem to be getting away with it irks me to no end.
The bottom line is that money is power.
A pre-order is you giving that power to a counterparty based on trust, promises and a sales contract.
The counterparty can decide to default on their contract/promises and proceed to use that power against you.
HF has been doing exactly that by hiring Strategic Counsel Corp. and Zuber Lawler & Del Duca.
The bottom line is that money is power.
A pre-order is you giving that power to a counterparty based on trust, promises and a sales contract.
The counterparty can decide to default on their contract/promises and proceed to use that power against you.
HF has been doing exactly that by hiring Strategic Counsel Corp. and Zuber Lawler & Del Duca.
The bottom line is that the law isnt up to date when it comes to bitcoin and especially bitcoin mining.
Bitcoin mining is a very complicated situation when it comes to refunds and delivery dates etc and there is simply no law speaking yet that takes care of this.
So HF is basically misusing the traditional law of customer protection to fraud their customers, cause in a usual customer protection situation there is nothing wrong with offering a US$ refund.
So there is a gap in lawmaking and HF is using this gap to commit fraud.
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