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Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 167. (Read 880461 times)

legendary
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Don't worry. HashTard can't delete messages here. So

True or False: HashFast failed to deliver on time and actually delivered 3 months later and screwed all of their customers?

Failing to deliver is not their major sin. If they've only failed to deliver it would not be such a problem if they've issued refunds, like Avalon for instance. Failing to deliver *and* keeping customers money is a daylight robbery.

Failing to deliver *and* keeping customers money is a bold ass BFL shafting  Cheesy
legendary
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^ Will code for Bitcoins
Don't worry. HashTard can't delete messages here. So

True or False: HashFast failed to deliver on time and actually delivered 3 months later and screwed all of their customers?

Failing to deliver is not their major sin. If they've only failed to deliver it would not be such a problem if they've issued refunds, like Avalon for instance. Failing to deliver *and* keeping customers money is a daylight robbery.
legendary
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True or False: HashFast failed to deliver on time and actually delivered 3 months later and screwed all of their customers?
Answer: HashFast Wiki.
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legendary
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Don't worry. HashTard can't delete messages here. So

True or False: HashFast failed to deliver on time and actually delivered 3 months later and screwed all of their customers?
legendary
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The HashLast flunkey just woke up and does his pathetic everyday duty again: deleting posts.

Even more unvelievable is that HashFast's Sierra EVO only uses 3 chips to get 2TH/s, while Cointerra's uses 4 and only gets ~1.6 (if you're lucky).
You know what is even more unbelievable than that? That I still haven't received HashLast products for which I paid in September 2013.
The only company in the world selling mining equipment that really hashes at 2TH/s is HashFast (hence our name).
This may be true, selling, but what about delivering? Anything? My Cointerra order, paid in November, arrived last week and hashes away happily since then. I still wait for HashLast products (hence the name).
You sound different since you're back. Are you IceDrill? Did they offer you faster delivery for some propaganda? Don't trust them, they tricked you before.
I did pre-order a Batch 1 BJ stated as ‘in-stock’ and ‘Shipping Oct 20-30’ on the HashFast order site. The December 31st deadline was not part of the Terms of Sale I agreed to at the time of the sale. Nor did it appear on my BitPay and HashFast order receipts. The final shipment deadline was added after the fact. It was added to the 'order confirmation' that I receive a week after I completed the transaction.
so did I, I never would have ordered if they had stated a later date. In-stock - my ass. Criminals.
When posts fail to respect the OP ("HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: up to 800GH/s") they are off-topic and will be moderated.
You can't call for rules, your company doesn't have any.
Do you see how many posts in this thread are now from you? You call this a discussion? Why not delete the rest too? You can discuss your delusional crap undisturbed with yourself then.
hero member
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Update: My post just got deleted by HF on the other thread so reposting here.

I’d like to address some of that statements HF made in the response to my customer complaint @ http://hashfast.org/HashFast_consumer_complaint_response.pdf



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Complainant pre-ordered his Baby Jet unit in order to secure his status as a “Batch 1” customer,
meaning he would receive a unit from HashFast’s first batch of production.
All HashFast Batch 1 customers were offered a final shipment deadline of December 31, 2013.

I did pre-order a Batch 1 BJ stated as ‘in-stock’ and ‘Shipping Oct 20-30’ on the HashFast order site. The December 31st deadline was not part of the Terms of Sale I agreed to at the time of the sale. Nor did it appear on my BitPay and HashFast order receipts. The final shipment deadline was added after the fact. It was added to the 'order confirmation' that I receive a week after I completed the transaction.

Aug 9 ToS:
http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf

References:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3209063
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2949502
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3405970



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Complainant alleges that the only option HashFast gave it’s customers to pay for its products was in Bitcoin.
In reality, besides Bitcoin, HashFast accepted (and still accepts) most traditional methods of payment such as checks and wire-transfers,
and Complainant was free to pay for his equipment by these means if he so chose.
It was not until online purchasers made it all the way to the “checkout” page that they were
offered the additional option of paying in Bitcoin, in addition to payment in USD.
HashFast accepted payment in Bitcoin as a convenience to its customers.

At the time of my order (Aug 9), payment in Bitcoin via BitPay was the only payment option available to me on the website. It was only after the widget broke that HashFast accepted alternative methods of payment.

- Shipments begin: October 20th-30th, in order of purchase
 - Payments to be made in BTC with the help of BitPay

Orders are taken in BTC, in the unlikely event we get to refunds they will be given in BTC.

if you buy Baby Jet for 51 BitCoins today and it does not ship, you will be refunded the 51 BitCoins you paid.
-Cara

In fact, John Skrodenis from HashFast did make that promise to me in person during my visit to the HF office in SF on October 30.

HashFast will issue a full refund the payment for the units that Buyer purchased but did not receive and cancelled.

But it also states (at least in my order confirmation):

For every day HashFast misses their target shipping date, a partial automatic refund should be made based on what a 400 GH/s unit would have mined at the difficulty at that date.This would continue until either the refund is complete or the unit is delivered.

And on Aug 17:
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I expect refunds to made in accordance to the Bitpay receipt of payment.

References:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2901489
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2907958
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2949898

In addition, I filed a refund request within 10 days after HF defaulting on their advertised shipment date of October 30.
My refund request was ignored by HF and closed without response (see: https://i.imgur.com/qPrxhmE.png).
To say I was motivated by the USD value at the time of the complaint is baseless. If any party was motivated by the USD value it was HF as is apparent from their actions that are contrary to their earlier statements and terms.

I have already given up and accepted my losses. I'm making this post simply to set the record straight. I wish those that are taking legal action against HF all the best.
hero member
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Welcome to the club raskul! Smiley

In other news - I just received a response from HF after filing a consumer complaint with the State of California Department of Justice a couple of months ago:

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"This letter is to inform you that the Attorney General's Office has received a reply from the company you contacted us about which indicates that there is a difference of opinion on the issue you raised in your complaint."

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7abwnv4og1xn3e/HF_consumer_complaint_response.pdf

Basically HashFast's response is that I am the bad guy.
...

Thank you for linking the material. Not surprisingly HashFast is playing the bitcoin volatility card. Every informed miner knows that this is a strawman as bitcoin price is irrelevant (under current conditions) to bitcoin mining. If you plan further action, you need to expose that strawman in writing.

Thanks Jutarul,

Currently I'm not planning further action. However, I would like to assist those that do on this board.

I did write down some of my thoughts regarding HF response to the complaint here:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hashfast-announces-specs-for-new-asic-up-to-800ghs-493435
donator
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Welcome to the club raskul! Smiley

In other news - I just received a response from HF after filing a consumer complaint with the State of California Department of Justice a couple of months ago:

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"This letter is to inform you that the Attorney General's Office has received a reply from the company you contacted us about which indicates that there is a difference of opinion on the issue you raised in your complaint."

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7abwnv4og1xn3e/HF_consumer_complaint_response.pdf

Basically HashFast's response is that I am the bad guy.
...

Thank you for linking the material. Not surprisingly HashFast is playing the bitcoin volatility card. Every informed miner knows that this is a strawman as bitcoin price is irrelevant (under current conditions) to bitcoin mining. If you plan further action, you need to expose that strawman in writing.
legendary
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Phil Sadow and Joe Russell?
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sr. member
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Welcome to the club raskul! Smiley

Bitcoin is a wonderful thing. It is something we need to nurture, protect and grow together. It is bigger then just you and me. It is something we owe future generations. Let's not screw this up. Maybe I am an idealist, a dreamer or just a fool to be taken advantage of but it really pains me to see so many scammers and opportunists in this space.


thanks, I totally agree. Sorry to hear of your troubles, having been following the state of affairs, I kind of expected that this (exchange rate rise) would be hashfast's main rebuttle to the complaints. That particular statement, i don't feel qualified or experienced enough to comment on. I guess I don't feel the same pain as I bought in USD... anticipating the price rises of BTC for the next 10 years, I'm trying my best not to spend/sell/cash-out a single satoshi. I had to fund some bill payments with BTC last week and heck, it brought a tear to my eye cashing out a 1/3rd of a coin. I can't begin to know how you feel having paid so much in BTC for the batch 1's.

keep mining  Wink
hero member
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
Welcome to the club raskul! Smiley

In other news - I just received a response from HF after filing a consumer complaint with the State of California Department of Justice a couple of months ago:

Quote
"This letter is to inform you that the Attorney General's Office has received a reply from the company you contacted us about which indicates that there is a difference of opinion on the issue you raised in your complaint."

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h7abwnv4og1xn3e/HF_consumer_complaint_response.pdf

Basically HashFast's response is that I am the bad guy.

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"Complainant lodged the instant complaint when the value of Bitcoin grew 800% above what he originally paid. The price of Bitcoin now trades at 500% of what it did when complainant placed his order. At the time of making his claims to you, such a maneuver would have provided Complainant with an approximate 800% windfall based on the price of Bitcoin when he made his purchase. No doubt, Complainant would eagerly have accepted a USD refund and cried foul to a refund in Bitcoin if the price of Bitcoin had dropped to 20% from the date of his purchase."

At this point I have already accepted my losses and accepted the BJ, so I am not going to fight it. That said I am very angry at the untrue statements HF is making in this letter as fact. I am too tired now, but hopefully tomorrow I'll find some time to go through the individual statements and refute them based information in the public record (earlier threads and saved documents).

Bitcoin is a wonderful thing. It is something we need to nurture, protect and grow together. It is bigger then just you and me. It is something we owe future generations. Let's not screw this up. Maybe I am an idealist, a dreamer or just a fool to be taken advantage of but it really pains me to see so many scammers and opportunists in this space.

This is why we can't have nice things.
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There ya go then. One happy customer.

don't get me wrong, I completely understand other folk's issues and with every right to complain about the treatment (you) have had. In no way do I want to be a shill for hashfast but I just wanted to throw it in the mix.. perhaps they are tidying up their customer service? in all honesty, I hadn't expected a response as quickly as I got, but my question was genuine regarding me going on holiday when they state my next delivery will arrive, so it was a kind of 'need to know' issue, and, whether positive or negative, the response has assured me - my mother will just have to babysit the cat  Grin

I'm leaving her instructions on setting up the rig!! wish me luck with that!

I hope the rest of you guys get your problems solved, in these days when so many sham companies are popping up with no product at all, and plenty of preorders, the one thing that gives me relief is that hashfast are actually building and shipping rigs, when I could so easily have given my money to a fraud, with no hope of seeing either a rig or my money back.

anyway, I hope your headaches ease and everyone find some kind of satisfaction.
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There ya go then. One happy customer.
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Was it a sales question,? i.e. an inquiry of you parting with funds for promise of delivery of equipment at some future date? The response is different based on your questions impact to their bottom line.

nope. they already have my money and I'm happy with their response.
sr. member
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Was it a sales question,? i.e. an inquiry of you parting with funds for promise of delivery of equipment at some future date? The response is different based on your questions impact to their bottom line.
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i had an email response from hashfast today, very polite, pleasant and giving me all the information I had requested.
 Undecided sorry some of you are having a hard time, I've had no issues whatsoever.
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FYI: Chris from HS responded to my support ticket from early Feb regarding MPP today:

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In regards to MPP - other than knowing that for Batch 1 it will be the full 1.6TH, I am unable to release any more information of this for you. I do hope to get something out shortly as this is a very hot topic in the forums.

So.. 'shortly'

Not sure what that means, but probably 'soon-ish' Wink

Every time I call in and ask, they tell me "In the coming weeks"

They passed BFL Status.

2 Weeks™?
hero member
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FYI: Chris from HS responded to my support ticket from early Feb regarding MPP today:

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In regards to MPP - other than knowing that for Batch 1 it will be the full 1.6TH, I am unable to release any more information of this for you. I do hope to get something out shortly as this is a very hot topic in the forums.

So.. 'shortly'

Not sure what that means, but probably 'soon-ish' Wink

Every time I call in and ask, they tell me "In the coming weeks"

They passed BFL Status.
At least bfl doesn't break/modify contract multiple times.
hero member
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FYI: Chris from HS responded to my support ticket from early Feb regarding MPP today:

Quote
In regards to MPP - other than knowing that for Batch 1 it will be the full 1.6TH, I am unable to release any more information of this for you. I do hope to get something out shortly as this is a very hot topic in the forums.

So.. 'shortly'

Not sure what that means, but probably 'soon-ish' Wink

Every time I call in and ask, they tell me "In the coming weeks"

They passed BFL Status.
full member
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Considering the evo's are running at a supposed 800 gh/s, they will just send you guys 2 boards.  And this will most likely be after their 1st batch of evos so sometime after May.
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