Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 216. (Read 880461 times)

Im rather curious josh. when your sucking off Castro do you let Skrodenis join in for a circle jerk.

the question i put to the rest of the community,
Scamfast has lied on most every point so far,
what are the chances they could charge back the checks those that would cash them.
Or decide the MMP will be based of the current BTC rate instead or the original order date like they promised

I love this guy. You really can't answer without contradicting yourself in the same phrase, can you?

I have no idea what is going on inside Hashfast or what it all means.  I'm simply pointing out the complete hypocracy of a large majority of this thread and calling for an end to it. (haha yeah like that'll happen!) Be consistent and logical when you pose your arguments.  Posing these contradictory arguments for and against something only undermine your case. A lawyer would have no problem digging up all this useless blabber and using it in a defense against Hashfast to show that the plaintiffs are nothing but immature temper tantrum throwers.


You haven't made any valid points with regards to you (and those following your same flawed logic) being a hypocrite.  You claim on one day it's required by the FTC and then the next day claim it's a "Force Refund" like it was against your will. 

BFL had to deal with this and I find it exceptionally egregious, but up until now, I had no solid case evidence for the hypocritical nature of the whiners and complainers... now I do.  BFL offered full refunds without question up until we started shipping. At that time, we forced everyone to either opt-in, by having to login to their account, read the agreement and then click that they accept the agreement that there would be no further refunds... If they failed to do so or disagreed, they would be given a refund.  After more than a month (almost two!), we stopped refunds.  Now BFL is villified for not giving refunds, even though we offered them unconditionally for months and then forced people to agree to no refunds before their order would proceed.  So now we have people screaming and crying about the FTC regulations (which they obviously don't understand, but we'll leave that for a different discussion.) and how BFL is required to give refunds.  Now we have Hashfast, who is forcing those self same refunds on people and people are crying and screaming about Forced Refunds.

This just demonstrates that it was absolutely, unequivocally the right decision by BFL on how we handled the situation. 

TL;DR: No matter what a company does, there will always be the whiners and criers about how it's done... that being said, it's best to do what's good for the continued existence of the company. If you're going to have to deal with the disgruntled people no matter what, then keep the company a float so you can handle the problems instead of going out of business trying to satisfy the unsatisfiable.  I believe that's what might be happening with Hashfast right now - they are doing the best they can in a really crappy situation.  Maybe I'm completely off base and incorrect about it, but having been on both sides of the equation now, that's what it looks like to me.  But that is purely my opinion.

I'm not a Hashfast customer, so maybe I'm not following this as closely as you, Josh.  But the CEO of Hashfast made a promise that refunds would be in BTC,  or at least heavily implied it so that any reasonable person (or judge) would interpret that to be true.  So people want their refunds according to the terms that Hashfast set.  So it seems reasonable that the people who ordered from Hashfast would want their BTC back,  or else to hold Hashfast libel under tort law.  To give refunds back in USD and not BTC is misrepresentation.

I don't see any inconsistencies or hypocrisy here?

This is why that post doesn't make any sense imho.

I was thinking that they would have waited until the 25th of this month and ship the whole first and second batch in one day, in order to maximise the number of cashed checks to lower their legal liabilities, spreading fear trough their silence on the forums in the meanwhile.

But it naturally conflicts with what happend. It's also true that if it wasn't for Google, no one would have read that post. It's an interesting element, that's for sure.

Why you gotta quote me to make your point, now my quote is going to get bounced around as your post gets quoted and mocked, when I made valid points! You know exactly why people have a lot of problems with this refund policy, as there is quite a lot of evidence that shows hashfast promised to return btc paid if they failed to deliver. They have failed to deliver, and mailing checks in some random amount is not akin to offering a complete refund. The customer isn't made whole. I agree, and I've called people out on it before, that there are a few hypocrits who only want btc refunds when they come up in the situation, vs usd refunds when btc is down. However, the responsibility to make the customer whole lies with hf, and any company which lies to, abuses, and steals from its customers while making false or deceitful statements should be attacked with lawsuits and bad press. The only way to keep more scum companies from taking loans from customers without warning, failing to ship products for months or years, is to make it painful for a company that tries.

Ok, i'm gonna give it a try.

Josh, did people who ordered paying with USD received a letter with a refund check?
Why the answer is not, and why it instead happened with people who ordered paying with BTC, regardless of whatever they asked for a refund or not?

Any clue?

So which is it?  Forced Refunds or the The Law (tm)?  You can't have it both ways. Stop being a hypocrite.*


* Not just directed at RickJamesBTC, but everyone else who is picking and choosing to call it "Forced Refunds" when it suits your complaint and "The Law" when it doesn't.

why?

$-refunds are not a bad thing for HF at all. a delivered bj with additional mpp is valued way higher than those $ one could get from HF through refunds.

nevertheless i think its pretty obv that its a legal thing. most likely their laywers advised them to stay completly silent as every statement of them could be held against them in court.
so all they do is just shipping and not talking anymore.

Heh, it's so obviously a shill account it's not even funny.  Who spends $50k worth of bitcoin on something worthless and is then happy about it to the point where they call people legitimately complaining "vile children" (and then deletes the post)

I basically called it on these guys as scammers as soon as they started asking for money - it started with that "gridfinity" guy asking for $500k up front with a plagiarized image of a Google data center, without specifying anything about the chips - not even their performance. Then, they switched to selling to the 'little guy' (easier scam target) their scam became super obvious, especially when they were claiming they would ship in October, but put the end of December in their TOS.

Hmm, heavily cropped images, shil account. Anyone seen a picture like that of bjs though? The content doesn't look photoshopped together, not with the USB drives on top... But hf would be bouncing off the walls if they shipped anything, and not forcing people into refunds...

good work!

Probably the most interesting thing is that he received them on a Saturday and that he is using the european server of pool, so he is probably from the Europe, that matches with the "i'm gonna out for a party".

Yet, the first one in the order chain with specifically 2 BJ is order #9, so if they started shipping following the order chain, US customers should have already reported them. It's interesting anyway.

Gotta news guys!

(i'm sorry for the guy/hf who removed the thread just one second after, for whatever reason it was, but i'm gonna share it anyway).

It starts with an email from Google:



That leads to an empty thread:



But the power of Google is unstoppable:



That leads us to:




As i told you, 550GH/chip.

Now shipping.

That, or it was a throwaway puppet from HF to prove that they are shipping, either way, they are or they want us to believe that they are shipping.

(and somehow they are too afraid to just tell us directly?)

Sure will accommodate you below.

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PM's regarding the chips included a range of people from HF types:

The shills were also scammed for sure, as everything else HashBust is doing. I'm glad Cypherdoc is crying now all his shilling efforts were in vain.

Looks like that my wiki will soon have another page.

 

(was it from HashFast or HashFast_CL? [since that it's sent from HashFast but it signs as HashFast_CL, it's interesting] A screenshoot would be welcome)

Our groups fears were warranted in terms of considering any outlay of 100's of thousands of $'s for GN chips given what has happened. I feel awful another company has seen fit to soil the community yet again in this way. No company can recover from this sort of subterfuge and expect to be trusted. Paying people to bump threads... not a good idea and not worth your own reputation when it goes sideways.

Their posts announcing future announcements make sense now...

Thanks for sharing.This is really important since cypherdoc made a lot of (paid) statements in support of the HF team and payments/refunds that turned out to be false but were apparently encouraged by HF as it benefited sales. HF had the opportunity to debunk these false statements but chose not to. In other words, customers were being purposefully mislead from the get go.

Here are some of those statements: