HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 275.

ninjarobot

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Mine Silent, Mine Deep

Quote from: joshv06 on January 04, 2014, 05:04:13 PM

Does anyone live in San Francisco, California?

I do, and I would be happy to meet up with the HashFast team in person again to voice customer concerns. I visited their office before on October 30, but I doubt they would invite me over at this point. My support tickets and refund requests have been ignored since early November. Even if they do I would surely have to sign an NDA so they might as well communicate to us directly. I have no doubt they are aware of our concerns.

Also I'd like to avoid being used as a tool again. Last time John gave me verbal confirmation that full BTC refunds would be given in the amount paid and that I was allowed to post that on bitcointalk (which I did). Turns out it was misinformation and made me look like a fool. Communicating through intermediaries who are not employees just gives them plausible deniability.

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Does anyone live in San Francisco, California?

joshv06

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Has anyone been able to get in touch with HashFast so we can express our concerns?..

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Mod note: I removed a number of posts just repetitively ask "Where is our hardware?", and a number of posts contemplating the uselessness of these questions. Clearly asking it here isn't getting anywhere. I suggest you direct those questions directly to hashfast— and maybe just provide a weekly summary here on your (non-)progress, if that.

Posting multiple times purely to express your displeasure just makes the thread harder to follow for someone trying to extract useful information from it. If you're not going to add anything that other people would find useful in either evaluating the hardware or trying to not get screwed over their purchase of the hardware, at least confine yourself to a single post. Thanks.

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Quote from: joshv06 on January 02, 2014, 12:36:19 PM

Has anyone gotten tracking?..

Quote from: joshv06 on January 02, 2014, 12:57:46 PM

That's LukeJr. He gets everything first. What about the rest of us? :/

Quote from: joshv06 on January 02, 2014, 06:14:31 PM

Where the fuck is our stuff?

Quote from: joshv06 on January 03, 2014, 12:29:31 PM

Where are my B1 rigs? Sad

(do i have to continue?)

Broken disk, maybe it has this meaning only in italian.

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Glow Stick Dance!

Quote from: Bargraphics on January 04, 2014, 11:10:18 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 04, 2014, 11:06:09 AM

Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

And Obama promised that, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". Try suing him on that statement.

*cough cough* sovereign immunity COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED SITUATION *cough cough*

Its very similar entity makes promise it knows it cannot keep, prosecution fails due to the slowness of the court system so the entity does not get caught or held liable im any way shape or form.

Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

Just because there was a promise does not mean that entity will keep the promise. If a corporation knows they can make money with a false promise, or by not keeping a promise then they will do just that.

And this is called fraud, which carries both civil and criminal penalties. There's a reason only criminals do this...

Good luck getting them convicted of fraud and your money back. Just because someone is legally wrong and you can win the case does not gaurrantee restitution. HF will be bankrupt on purpose before any lawsuite is conplete. Point being that a promise without backing will not protect you and the legal system will not protect you in a timeley manner which means you will probably never succeed in recouping the promised funds even though they broke the law.

Good thing they have working chips which means their IP is worth quite a bit. If they somehow ran out of money that would be what you would go after.

And by the time you were able to obtain their intellectual property it probably would be obsolete and worthless.

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that won't be worth much by the time all the procedures to get it are done.

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Quote from: arousedrhino on January 04, 2014, 11:06:09 AM

Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

And Obama promised that, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". Try suing him on that statement.

*cough cough* sovereign immunity COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED SITUATION *cough cough*

Its very similar entity makes promise it knows it cannot keep, prosecution fails due to the slowness of the court system so the entity does not get caught or held liable im any way shape or form.

Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

Just because there was a promise does not mean that entity will keep the promise. If a corporation knows they can make money with a false promise, or by not keeping a promise then they will do just that.

And this is called fraud, which carries both civil and criminal penalties. There's a reason only criminals do this...

Good luck getting them convicted of fraud and your money back. Just because someone is legally wrong and you can win the case does not gaurrantee restitution. HF will be bankrupt on purpose before any lawsuite is conplete. Point being that a promise without backing will not protect you and the legal system will not protect you in a timeley manner which means you will probably never succeed in recouping the promised funds even though they broke the law.

Good thing they have working chips which means their IP is worth quite a bit. If they somehow ran out of money that would be what you would go after.

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Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

And Obama promised that, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". Try suing him on that statement.

*cough cough* sovereign immunity COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED SITUATION *cough cough*

Its very similar entity makes promise it knows it cannot keep, prosecution fails due to the slowness of the court system so the entity does not get caught or held liable im any way shape or form.

Quote from: beavertank on January 04, 2014, 10:48:17 AM

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

Just because there was a promise does not mean that entity will keep the promise. If a corporation knows they can make money with a false promise, or by not keeping a promise then they will do just that.

And this is called fraud, which carries both civil and criminal penalties. There's a reason only criminals do this...

Good luck getting them convicted of fraud and your money back. Just because someone is legally wrong and you can win the case does not gaurrantee restitution. HF will be bankrupt on purpose before any lawsuite is conplete. Point being that a promise without backing will not protect you and the legal system will not protect you in a timeley manner which means you will probably never succeed in recouping the promised funds even though they broke the law.

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I am no lawyer though. . . . Thus, I believe any sane Judge would rule that arbitration requirement and all the others do not apply.

"I'm not a lawyer, but here's my legal conclusion anyway." Just stop. If you want answers, go see a lawyer. If you want to speculate, do so elsewhere, because at this point all you're doing is muddying the waters for other people without legal knowledge and making the situation worse.

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Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

And Obama promised that, "if you like your healthcare plan you can keep it". Try suing him on that statement.

*cough cough* sovereign immunity COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND UNRELATED SITUATION *cough cough*

Quote from: arousedrhino on January 03, 2014, 10:11:07 PM

Just because there was a promise does not mean that entity will keep the promise. If a corporation knows they can make money with a false promise, or by not keeping a promise then they will do just that.

And this is called fraud, which carries both civil and criminal penalties. There's a reason only criminals do this...

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: RoadStress on January 04, 2014, 08:27:34 AM

Customers should demand at least the scammer tag from thermos who is doing absolutely nothing except cash the money from advertising

Ironically, it could be argued that Theymos himself is deserving of a Scammer tag.

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Quote from: Morpheus21 on January 04, 2014, 08:33:24 AM

Hi sir,
I've got 100 Bitcoin to invest; Have you got a Baby or papy Hashfast miner???
I'm very interested..

Hello,
Yes we have 2 miners available. Contact me via PM to setup payment details.
Regards.

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Hi sir,
I've got 100 Bitcoin to invest; Have you got a Baby or papy Hashfast miner???
I'm very interested..

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Quote from: dhenson on January 04, 2014, 12:47:56 AM

No, the sad truth is that most customers will just quietly bend over and accept their delays and broken promises. Very few will actually DEMAND compensation and fair treatment.

For that reason, I will be smiling with my original investment in this sad pathetic little company returned, while others will still be waiting on delivery of a piece of equipment that will not possibly ever come close to returning their original investment.

Sad but true.

Customers should demand at least the scammer tag from thermos who is doing absolutely nothing except cash the money from advertising, or at least bad trust rating, but i'm sure we won't see that either. Welcome to the scammers den here on bitcointalk forum. Grats to thermos and to the mods who shaped it this way.

Quote from: Kouye on January 04, 2014, 07:49:04 AM

So, if they actually shipped 2 babyjets (which I beleive, since there are only 2 on the picture with Amy, and they would obviously stacked up more if they had been able to), Luke received one (non-commercial unit), who's the other ?

Quote from: Luke-Jr on January 02, 2014, 02:43:49 PM

Yes, my mistake/misunderstanding: the unit I received is apparently an engineering sample.

Also, Luke, do you expect to receive the unit you paid for, or is that it?

IceDrill.

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Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.

So, if they actually shipped 2 babyjets (which I beleive, since there are only 2 on the picture with Amy, and they would obviously stacked up more if they had been able to), Luke received one (non-commercial unit), who's the other ?

Quote from: Luke-Jr on January 02, 2014, 02:43:49 PM

Yes, my mistake/misunderstanding: the unit I received is apparently an engineering sample.

Also, Luke, do you expect to receive the unit you paid for, or is that it?

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Hodl!

Well if you have to be refunded in USD (Converted to coin at current value) seems like they've established the "reasonable" rate of interest as 18% in there.. Wink

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By accepting arbitration, I believe you accept those Terms of Sale as valid and enforceable. Hashfast had absolutely no Terms of Sale a buyer could read back in August when I purchased. I remember looking everywhere for them. None Existed.

Quote from: ninjarobot on January 03, 2014, 01:45:17 PM

I saved a copy on day 1 (August 8 ) and emailed it to myself so it is time stamped by gmail. I've also uploaded it to pastebin in September here: http://pastebin.com/EfS9vmRf

Someone is wrong.

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Quote from: jspielberg on January 03, 2014, 09:16:18 PM

Gmaxwell's scenario is exactly what was we were led to believe because "the adults" had finally come to bitcoin asic miner manufacturing(and they were investor backed and didn't need to use the Bitcoin for the first batch... Clearly we grossly misunderstood their statements).

"Adults" eh?

You mean all the slander Amy was shilling against KNC? You might want to rewind the tape and see how "Adult" these clowns were from day one

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The truth is that right now, at this moment, your opportunity for being compensated is slipping by.

Call a lawyer, send a refund demand, attend arbitration and receive your refund. Patiently waiting while doing nothing will only ensure that you lose.

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