Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 480. (Read 880461 times)

I will gladly bet against you.  Even money difficulty remains below the "projection" you posted.  We can do 1 bet for each month Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar.

Let me know how much per month (same amount and you have to bet for all months) and who you want to hold the escrowed funds.   I can match your bet today so hedge away.

So you really believe the network will be 14 PH in Dec, 30 PH in Jan, 80 PH in Feb, and 160 PH in Mar?

There may be legitimate complaints but when you start posting nonsense like that it is hard to take you seriously.  If that difficulty schedule is correct then no miner from any vendor which isn't already in someone hands and having earned 70%+ of its purchase price will ever generate a return.   In other words if your "projection" is accurate it doesn't really matter if HF is late.  You were looking at a 70% loss even if they shipped a week EARLY.

Hey,

It may have been a miscommunication; this is what they said:

I'll double check, it may indeed be the case that everything is in BTC regardless of the way in which you paid for it.

Get me right, I know how it feels to see diff raising and delivery date moving away.
It makes you think irrational caused by the fear of loosing money, no?

I could argue exactly the same way for btc value increase as you do regarding diff increase:
BTC value increased the last years by xxxx% a yr, and the last 14days by a remarkable % step,
keeping this increase would predict that ~40BTC your mined BTC will be way more money than you paid for your hardware..


Do not take those numbers from the mining-calculator for granted.
When you do some research what's going to be shipped and in which time frame, you will be more relaxed than now.
All this hashing power you fear has to be produced and paid first, and I just do not see how the hw costs for the BTC infrastructure will become more in value than the currency itself.

Comparing amount of BTC at point in time of preorder with expected ROI in btc is the wrong way to calculate things.
You could have bought those BTC at the day you spent yours and you could have paid in fiat as well.

Keep in mind mining is sth. else than speculation, as there are downtimes, fires, broken parts, noise, heat, electricity, hw/sw issues,...
If you love dealing with hw/sw this is a great hobby, for getting rich you should not start mining at all but speculate instead.

So if you're unhappy with your investment and you cannot get a refund, how about selling your pre-orders on ebay like those BFL preorders have been sold. I'm sure sooner or later you can sell them for 5% more than you have paid.

btw:
I've already bet against your HF preorder with my KnC preorder I assume, as I intent to run my device some time
Yours will have a better GH/s per $ and GH/s per W, and in addition this MPP, so in long term I have to be really afraid of your hw as it will still be profitable when I have to switch mine off.

You don't see that hashrate coming?
Why don't you bet against me? That will allow to hedge my investment and will be free money for you.

So we've gone from two weeks to two months.  BFL 2.0!

Of course, they could theoretically ship before the middle of November.

On the plus side this gives people considering a lawsuit more time.

Oh, and it also means a lot more money for KnC customers  [/list]

LOL! Whoever takes you serious does a big mistake....

hm, I'm not sure that we will reach a diff of 2104M in 8weeks as this corresponds to 14-15PH/s
I do not see where it should come from

and feb with 11325M ~> 85PH/s is ridiculous from my point of view as it would mean hw for > 1Billion $
Not to speak of March.....or what's about December will we see 17,45 Exahash ??

Plus there's electricity costs..

I wasn't replying to you... I was replying to the HF's continuously propagandised 31 Dec date.



Just for the luz of us, batch 1 owners, our non-roi if shipped by the end of this month.

4 BTC per BJ, 1/10 of what you spent. BFL style for the win!

No you are twisting what I said.

They say 'Batch 1 shipped before 31st Dec'.

I say 'Ship it before 6th Dec or it stands a good chance of not arriving until 6th Jan' (maybe depending on where you are in the world and customs etc).


I guess if you assume the people involved are working on 30th Dec they could still be shipped before 31st Dec... still unlikely to arrive until at least 6th Jan regardless of where you are in the world.

So, nothing for noone before the end of the year. Then if they are real, 4 times the hashrate in march, by supposing that they deliver that in time at least. And even with that, naturally, you won't roi.
Also, their NDAs are protected by an NDA.

Yes, everything now makes sense.

Batch 1 will be shipped before Dec 31st, and HF anticipates that batch 2 will also be shipped before this time but cannot guarantee this claim given the current delay they have experienced.

Now that is a worry and seems to be lost in all the other good news.

Remember, unless these are being shipped by Father Christmas himself, you can use 31st December as a date but the days between the 20th December and 6th January are likely to be holiday for a.) Ciara b.) DHL / UPS c.) The recipient.

Given Christmas is a rather busy period for shipping and customs, anything not out of the door by 6th Dec stands a very good chance of not arriving in some parts of the world until at least 6th Jan.

The 20th Dec - 6th Jan dead window is possibly also true of any missing component that is holding up completion of the products. If the substrate is not received by 20th Dec, it's unlikely to magically appear until 6th January at the earliest.

Obviously I don't know what the holiday arrangements are of all concerned but we can be sure the holiday season will add further delays.

I don't believe that.  How is it that you got Ciara to tie their own hands and agree not to do business with any other manufacturer of crypto hardware (I'm assuming that's what you mean by "competition")?  I call bullshit.  If your agreement really were exclusive, there would be a statement by Ciara to that effect.  I can find no such statement, and of course there was no official joint press-release.

That ridiculous "box of fans" you posted, should've gotten you guys shot by now.  It's an insult to everyones' intelligence.  With that, and as with so many other things, you people talk a good game, but you still lack proof.  So toss it up.  Prove to us that this agreement which you claim is exclusive, is indeed so.  Lest you look like more of the idiot that I've previously called you out to be.



Thanks for the tidbit.  That's precisely why I said publicly that an engineer should have given that update, not the bumbling bobble-head marketing guy.

tacotime, you seem to be fulfilling your role quite well as a go-between and (hopefully) a community negotiating partner.  Keep up the good work.

Has anyone actually run the numbers on MPP?  The figures I'm looking at still don't put me in the black after receiving 4x after 90 days.

Oh, and no point in getting worked up over the BTC/USD issue...

tacotime please get a clarification because you may have just kicked over a hornets nest and if it is simply a miscommunication it might be a good idea to post a retraction.

I think the MPP is based entirely on BTC period.

According to MPP terms on https://hashfast.com/miner-protection-program/

they arent even trying to say November anymore?

I doubt they are playing up a huge early surprise here..  better hammer out that MPP and what you will hash in real numbers and see if it adds up

Stick it to the fiat buyers. Two buyers paying the same day, one pays in BTC the other in fiat. One gets MPP, the other gets nothing. Ouch!

actually that makes sense.  I'm sure they would show off the BJ cases like the Sierra case if they were available.  Cmon show some pics of them already!