HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 529.

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Quote from: itod on October 09, 2013, 03:13:44 PM

Quote from: dopamine on October 09, 2013, 03:09:16 PM

Well they should just ship wit the miner protection if they are late, looks like nov delivery and I wont be buying more babyjet or upgrades, knc won the arms race! Little upset that I will not even get a RIO

You'll always get ROI, sometimes positive and sometimes negative. If you get negative ROI with HF and have miner protection you'll receive the additional GHs. So I don't get what the KnC won when their machines will never get positive ROI and they don't have miner protection. Well see who won in a few months when miner protection kicks in.

Miner protection is BS. The more GH/s hashfast distributes, the more difficult will be to have positive ROI.

The only possible miner protection is to sell the fastest and most energy effective machine in very small, limited batches. I mean batches of 300/500 machines, as Avalon did with batch #1.

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Quote from: dopamine on October 09, 2013, 03:09:16 PM

Well they should just ship wit the miner protection if they are late, looks like nov delivery and I wont be buying more babyjet or upgrades, knc won the arms race! Little upset that I will not even get a RIO

You'll always get ROI, sometimes positive and sometimes negative. If you get negative ROI with HF and have miner protection you'll receive the additional GHs. So I don't get what the KnC won when their machines will never get positive ROI and they don't have miner protection. Well see who won in a few months when miner protection kicks in.

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Well they should just ship wit the miner protection if they are late, looks like nov delivery and I wont be buying more babyjet or upgrades, knc won the arms race! Little upset that I will not even get a RIO

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 11:51:04 AM

Then, once the silicon is out, we are doing everything we can (including hand-carrying silicon wafers from foundry to the next steps, in Silicon Valley) to get product to our customers as quickly as possible. Best case scenario is five days from wafers-out-of-fab to boot up of the first Baby Jet.

- Amy

Thanks for the report, Amy, much appreciated. KnC was in a very similar situation as you a week ago, and they managed to produce a working miner on the very same day when they've received the first chips. However, they've run into production troubles lasting a whole week before the production is full-scale. Maybe HashFast should take a look at their thread to avoid some problems they've encountered.

Don't hesitate to post some pictures of the PCB, first chips, pre-production process, etc... we'll all much appreciate every detail that you have.

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Quote from: cypherdoc on October 09, 2013, 01:24:18 PM

Quote from: calichomp on October 09, 2013, 01:03:23 PM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:16:01 PM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

To be more verbose...

Similar to what we did with Uniquify, we have been working extremely closely with both the board manufacturer / assembly house, and with the company that will be assembling the finished Baby Jets and Sierras. We are in daily, often hourly contact with them.

I'll request pix.

Not that we don't believe you about having already sourced the boards and cases. Can you divulge who is providing these services for you? Who is doing your board manufacturing? Who is doing your board assembly? Who is doing your system integration.

Seems to me like you won't hit October, as promised.

they can't divulge that stuff. you should know better. what good would it do giving it to some random internet guy who could actually be a competitor.

you're right in that delivery is going to be close. but even KNC was/is late.

They can tell us that their fab is TSMC but can't tell us who is making/assembling their boards? Give me a break; that is the easy part. Also: I don't know better and I'm sure everyone who has a preorder would feel better if they knew that your partners who are following through to the end are as reputable as TSMC.

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sounds legit to me, lets see and hope the best

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Quote from: calichomp on October 09, 2013, 01:03:23 PM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:16:01 PM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

To be more verbose...

Similar to what we did with Uniquify, we have been working extremely closely with both the board manufacturer / assembly house, and with the company that will be assembling the finished Baby Jets and Sierras. We are in daily, often hourly contact with them.

I'll request pix.

Not that we don't believe you about having already sourced the boards and cases. Can you divulge who is providing these services for you? Who is doing your board manufacturing? Who is doing your board assembly? Who is doing your system integration.

Seems to me like you won't hit October, as promised.

they can't divulge that stuff. you should know better. what good would it do giving it to some random internet guy who could actually be a competitor.

you're right in that delivery is going to be close. but even KNC was/is late.

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:16:01 PM

Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

To be more verbose...

Similar to what we did with Uniquify, we have been working extremely closely with both the board manufacturer / assembly house, and with the company that will be assembling the finished Baby Jets and Sierras. We are in daily, often hourly contact with them.

I'll request pix.

Not that we don't believe you about having already sourced the boards and cases. Can you divulge who is providing these services for you? Who is doing your board manufacturing? Who is doing your board assembly? Who is doing your system integration.

Seems to me like you won't hit October, as promised.

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 11:51:04 AM

That said. It took a week longer to tape out than we had hoped. (This kind of thing happens a lot in the world of asics.) So yes: we'd hoped to have silicon out of fab in mid October, and now it's looking like late October.
..
Best case scenario is five days from wafers-out-of-fab to boot up of the first Baby Jet.

IOW, even in the best case scenario, "october" shipments almost certainly wont happen before november.
But everything is on track

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

To be more verbose...

Similar to what we did with Uniquify, we have been working extremely closely with both the board manufacturer / assembly house, and with the company that will be assembling the finished Baby Jets and Sierras. We are in daily, often hourly contact with them.

I'll request pix.

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Quote from: Amy Woodward on October 09, 2013, 12:04:07 PM

Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

some pics?

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Quote from: cedivad on October 09, 2013, 11:50:27 AM

Quote from: -Redacted- on October 09, 2013, 11:35:19 AM

And 247/128 is approximately 1/2 for those of you that can't do math...

Actually, it's around 2. Anyway, is there a table describing these steps out there? I suppose them to be on time, and that the second half of the steps is faster to go trough than the first half.

there is a great chart out there called a Waterfall. i've seen several versions of it as it's been updated routinely by TSMC.

i've tried to get them to show it to you guys but apparently there's something proprietary about it. if you saw it, it'd knock your socks off as it relates to the competition.

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Quote from: regular on October 09, 2013, 12:00:30 PM

Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

Yes.

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Are the boards and cases sourced already for the chips to be assembled into?

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Quote from: cedivad on October 09, 2013, 11:50:27 AM

Quote from: -Redacted- on October 09, 2013, 11:35:19 AM

And 247/128 is approximately 1/2 for those of you that can't do math...

Actually, it's around 2. Anyway, is there a table describing these steps out there? I suppose them to be on time, and that the second half of the steps is faster to go trough than the first half.

LOL - fixed. I guess if I'm trying to make a sarcastic remark, I should get my numbers the right-way-around....

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remember we are dealing with a TSMC rocket launch which is the best in the industry.

if they can't get it done, no one can.

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Quote from: mgio on October 09, 2013, 11:26:55 AM

What he is saying is that they are halfway done in making the chips, lol. For those of you who can't read between the lines.

They may be on schedule but it seems awfully aggressive for finished devices that are supposed to beginning shipping out in just 11 days. I really hope they make their target, especially since I have one of the first baby jets ordered.

The back end of line tends to go significantly faster than the front end of line.

That said. It took a week longer to tape out than we had hoped. (This kind of thing happens a lot in the world of asics.) So yes: we'd hoped to have silicon out of fab in mid October, and now it's looking like late October. Again, we cannot go into more detail than that, due to the preferences of our foundry.

Then, once the silicon is out, we are doing everything we can (including hand-carrying silicon wafers from foundry to the next steps, in Silicon Valley) to get product to our customers as quickly as possible. Best case scenario is five days from wafers-out-of-fab to boot up of the first Baby Jet.

- Amy

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Quote from: -Redacted- on October 09, 2013, 11:35:19 AM

And 247/128 is approximately 1/2 for those of you that can't do math...

Actually, it's around 2. Anyway, is there a table describing these steps out there? I suppose them to be on time, and that the second half of the steps is faster to go trough than the first half.

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And 128/247 is approximately 1/2 for those of you that can't do math...

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