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Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 532. (Read 880461 times)

legendary
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This seems to be the best around.

I think I'll get a first batch with Express Shipping (the cheapest is like 370$, this one is 400$).

Seems legit right?

it is the best around.

chips incoming around Oct 17.
legendary
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legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Before purchasing the "upgrade" I would like to know a few things, because after all the "sales" and not really much information provided, it seems that all HF cares by the moment is getting more and more money. So:

- Really aproximate shiping date of the babyjet batch 1 ? Batch 2?
We dont really need an exact day and hour, but as it seems that you have already ordered the pcb manufacturing, everything goes as planed with the chips and I suposse that you have an estimate number of babyjets to assenbly per day, just please give us a real date of both batches so we can estimate if it is worthy to purchase this extra or not.
- This special and extra chip will be given by the same time as the 2 batch of babyjet and sierras shipped, right ?
So if we make the purchase of this extra, which will be the queue we are added on ? We are going to be added after or before the people that already purchased that units ?

- With the power supply included in this extra unit, will be enough to make OC to both chips ?

- Notices of the  hosting plan ? Hosting fees ?

And I thin that with that is enough for the moment  Cheesy


The stock PSU's ability to overclock depends on your local temperature/humidity and the (random) silicon quality of your chips.

Hosting is being negotiated.  HashFast probably doesn't want to make profit on hosting, I think they just see it as a great way to add value for customers (and thus increase sales).

Everything is going according to plan.  Chips are still on schedule for delivery the week of Oct 20th.

Literally acres of capacity have been arranged, so the assembly/testing/shipping phase will be brief and without bottlenecks.

I believe the special extra chips for batch one customers will ship around the same time as batch 2.  So the queues will be separate, and not in competition for fulfillment.

Don't worry, HashFast will have plenty of chips for everyone's orders.  

The adults have arrivedTM.
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Gerald Davis
2.  IDK (is that really a good idea?)

In most cases no it probably is a very very bad idea.  However I am planning to experiment with immersion cooling.  If the chip uses 250W nominal and there are two regulators that is 125W each.  It is 88% efficient that means 142W in (12 VDC) and 125W out (~0.8 VDC) which leaves 17W converted to heat.  Eyeballing the diagrams they look to be roughly 2.5 cm2 so we are talking a heat flux of ~6W/cm2.  Fluorinert critical heat flux is > 15 W/cm2.   I would prefer to remove the heatsinks if they can be removed.  They look to be pretty tall (40 to 60mm) and that limits how closely I can stack the boards.

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3.  AFAIK the radiator they're using is

Thanks for the links.

In the review it looks like it performed @ 10.7 W/C.  That should be more than fine for a single chip (250W) but two chips (500W) would mean something like 46C above ambient.  Then again maybe they plan on upgrading the fans or the chips are fine with higher operating temps.


They indicate the chips clocks up and down based on temps I do wonder what is the targeted operating temp.
 
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Before purchasing the "upgrade" I would like to know a few things, because after all the "sales" and not really much information provided, it seems that all HF cares by the moment is getting more and more money. So:

- Really aproximate shiping date of the babyjet batch 1 ? Batch 2?
We dont really need an exact day and hour, but as it seems that you have already ordered the pcb manufacturing, everything goes as planed with the chips and I suposse that you have an estimate number of babyjets to assenbly per day, just please give us a real date of both batches so we can estimate if it is worthy to purchase this extra or not.
- This special and extra chip will be given by the same time as the 2 batch of babyjet and sierras shipped, right ?
So if we make the purchase of this extra, which will be the queue we are added on ? We are going to be added after or before the people that already purchased that units ?

- With the power supply included in this extra unit, will be enough to make OC to both chips ?

- Notices of the  hosting plan ? Hosting fees ?

And I thin that with that is enough for the moment  Cheesy

Hi Visesrion,
Approximmate shipping date of Batch 1 is Oct. 20-30. Approximate shipping date of Batch 2 is Nov. 30. The Baby Jet Upgrade Kits approximate shipping date will be with Batch 2 is Nov. 30.

We are sending an additional power supply to accomodate the 2nd chip, we will be releasing exact specs on that soon.

Hosting details are coming soon!

Thanks,
Cara
HashFast Customer Service
legendary
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Hashfast, Is it possible to buy just the upgraded hardware with no Chip?

Since I plan on the MPP kicking in I would want to upgrade all the current supplies. If it is possible how much would it cost? If not possible can a babyjets peices be replaced with offthe shelf power supplys and cooling?

Baby Jets use industry standard (off the shelf) PSUs and cooling.

You can easily get them at Newegg or Amazon.

It would be nice to have the option of getting a beefier PSU and extra cooling system with the original, but they don't offer that option yet.
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The Updated Order Chain for Batch 1 Baby Jets,  Batch 1 Baby Jets Backorders, and Baby Jet Upgrade Kits are now available on our site. Batch 2 Order Chain coming soon!
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Before purchasing the "upgrade" I would like to know a few things, because after all the "sales" and not really much information provided, it seems that all HF cares by the moment is getting more and more money. So:

- Really aproximate shiping date of the babyjet batch 1 ? Batch 2?
We dont really need an exact day and hour, but as it seems that you have already ordered the pcb manufacturing, everything goes as planed with the chips and I suposse that you have an estimate number of babyjets to assenbly per day, just please give us a real date of both batches so we can estimate if it is worthy to purchase this extra or not.
- This special and extra chip will be given by the same time as the 2 batch of babyjet and sierras shipped, right ?
So if we make the purchase of this extra, which will be the queue we are added on ? We are going to be added after or before the people that already purchased that units ?

- With the power supply included in this extra unit, will be enough to make OC to both chips ?

- Notices of the  hosting plan ? Hosting fees ?

And I thin that with that is enough for the moment  Cheesy
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Gerald Davis
A couple new questions for HF.

1) If one purchases the expansion/upgrade board will it ship with the original unit on the original order date as a single device with two boards OR will the original order ship (w/ upgraded PSU and cooling) ship on the original order date and the expansion/upgrade board at a later date based on order number?

2) Can the heatsinks on the FET be removed?

3) What is the size of the radiator used in the Babyjet?
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Gerald Davis
One interesting thing that the expansion board shows us is the max cost for MPP.

The MPP is raw chips only not assembled boards, HF hasn't provided details on estimate cost to turn a raw chip into an assembled board.  The expansion board is $1500 and that includes the cost of the chips and some (unknown %) profit margin.  It does provide an upper limit for the MPP.  My guess is that someone (either HF or third party) will be able to provide boards at $500 plus ASIC chip.
legendary
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Hashfast, Is it possible to buy just the upgraded hardware with no Chip?

Since I plan on the MPP kicking in I would want to upgrade all the current supplies. If it is possible how much would it cost? If not possible can a babyjets peices be replaced with offthe shelf power supplys and cooling?
legendary
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https://hashfast.com/the-baby-jet-controller/

this is a great solution.  this makes me very happy as it will fit nicely into the solo mining configuration i currently have set up.

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The Raspberry Pi will ship with an SD Card pre-loaded with the standard Debian/Linux derivative Raspbian OS, complete with CGMiner pre-installed.

Nice, but why not ship with minepeon pre-installed? http://minepeon.com/index.php/Main_Page


The goal is to get ckolivas to directly support the embedded cgminer.

HF has set aside a donation unit for him to develop on and will be shipped to him ASAP. It's probably time to contact him.
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Mine Silent, Mine Deep
https://hashfast.com/the-baby-jet-controller/

this is a great solution.  this makes me very happy as it will fit nicely into the solo mining configuration i currently have set up.

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The Raspberry Pi will ship with an SD Card pre-loaded with the standard Debian/Linux derivative Raspbian OS, complete with CGMiner pre-installed.

Nice, but why not ship with minepeon pre-installed? http://minepeon.com/index.php/Main_Page
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Hmm, reading the bet again:
"as little as 10% of current-generation ASICs" is marketing speak for "10% (rounded down) of the least efficient ASIC you might have been able to buy on the day we wrote this"
"Current-generation ASICs is defined as 1W for 1Ghash" is the bet maker only considering the most efficient ASIC he could find: Bitfury @ 0.9 J/GH
Then proceed to take 10% of 1 J/GH times 400 GH and you get 40W.
legendary
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Yes, i agree with that. Probably even more than 50x. But one thing is to achieve that in 2 years, another is to have that in 6 months. If the chips were really that efficient the boost on sales would be huge. (and the price would go down dramatically really fast)

No matter the power efficiency, the speed at which the network will grow before approaching an equilibrium between mining profitability and production cost is only limited by the ability of KnC/hashfast/CT/BFL etc to ship miners. They will sell everything they produce for quite some time, for as long as marginal production cost is below perceived profitability. Its only the difficulty level at which that equilibrium is found that is heavily influenced by power efficiency (and to a lesser degree, production cost).

Some numbers and charts here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/finally-a-correct-endgame-difficulty-calculator-295270

And perhaps thats a more appropriate thread to continue this discussion should you want to.
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I don't recall HashFast ever saying they'd get 400GH with 40 watts.
I guess that's a typo and should've been 400 watts.
Did the creator of this bet just make up something impossible to ensure Hashfast can't win?!?
It's not about HashFash winning, it's about the one who made the bet winning. So maybe it wasn't a typo and he bets on people not reading carefully enough and them thinking "sure they'll do better than 400W for 400GH/s" and bet against him. I'm not sure how strict these bets are judged.
legendary
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Yes, i agree with that. Probably even more than 50x. But one thing is to achieve that in 2 years, another is to have that in 6 months. If the chips were really that efficient the boost on sales would be huge. (and the price would go down dramatically really fast)
legendary
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I think that if either cointerra or hashfast where hoping to get 10Gh with a Watt, they would have told us in each way they could.
If they can really achieve 10Gh with a Watt, my investment will be really bad and current prices are really 50x what they will be 6 months from now, meaning, that difficulty will go up another 50x in the next 6 months.

We are heading towards a 50x increase anyway, even at the current projected power efficiency.  Though I am also pretty sure it will  take longer than 6 months to sell, produce and deploy all that.
legendary
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I think that if either cointerra or hashfast where hoping to get 10Gh with a Watt, they would have told us in each way they could.
If they can really achieve 10Gh with a Watt, my investment will be really bad and current prices are really 50x what they will be 6 months from now, meaning, that difficulty will go up another 50x in the next 6 months.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1706

HashFast will ship their first chip (to spec) to a buying customer on, or before October 31st, 2013.

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HashFast Technologies (http://hashfast.com/) is a fabless semiconductor manufacturer specializing in extreme performance hashing ASICs.

Their first chip, the Golden Nonce (GN) microprocessor, is in the final stages of development. The GN will ‘tape-out’ and be sent to manufacturing in August. Fabrication will take a little bit over two months, and the chips will ship to customers in October.

The GN chip will perform more than 400 Ghash per second, and uses as little as 10% of the power per Ghash as the current-generation ASICs.

Current-generation ASICs power per Ghash is defined as 1W for 1Ghash.

HashFast's GN Bitcoin mining microprocessor will ship to a buying customer on, or before October 31st, 2013, must hash more than 400 Ghash per second, and only draw a maximum of 40W.

Editor's note: We will judge the statement according to the forum posts. We will call it a draw if we think that there is not enough evidence either way.

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Opening date: Aug. 4, 2013
Bet deadline: Oct. 10, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Event date: Oct. 31, 2013 end of day Eastern Time
Category: Technology
Total agree bets: 0.10
Total disagree bets: 1.00
Total weighted agree bets: 161.114
Total weighted disagree bets: 1614.042

This will be interesting...

QG

Where did this "10% of current-generation" power use claim come from?

I don't recall HashFast ever saying they'd get 400GH with 40 watts.

Hashfast's promised spec is <1 watt per gigahash, not 0.01!

Did the creator of this bet just make up something impossible to ensure Hashfast can't win?!?
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