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Topic: HashFast announces specs for new ASIC: 400GH/s - page 584. (Read 880461 times)

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I sent an email to Uniquify (info@) today, asking if Mr. Bob Smith can confirm the letter in the OP.

I just received the answer that he does indeed confirm authorship.

So, most likely, NOT scam.  Smiley

Hi Qwk,

If your real name starts with 'B,' your email was forwarded to me this morning by Bob.  I will hit you up on that email now.
Thanks for posting this.

Cheers,

John Skrodenis
HashFast.com
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Huh Have Hashfast not approached Uniquity and paid them for their expertise in creating a chip for and alongside Hashfast's own design team? 28nm chip design runs into the millions. How much more grounded would you like me to be? Why by your own terminology do you suggest my comments border on the absurd??
Because you read an one-page press-release and you've assumed that it is a true and complete description of the underlying business relationship and an executive summary of the non-public business contract between two entities not traded on exchange and not subject to the disclosure regulations.

On the other hand, I know that you (perhaps voluntarily) run public relations for KnC (a competitor), so in truthfullness I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

Technically this one-page letter was an exact equivalent of bitfury making an one-line post "reserved" under the opening posts anouncing the products based on his chips.

Edit: It doesn't merit a separate post, but I want to preserve the hot response against possible future changes or deletions a la reeses.
You're nuts. That's total nonsense!

You're having conversations in your head, or at the very least are making a lot of unfounded assumptions!!

I haven't read a one page press release and assumed anything. I did some research on Simon, seeing as in the original thread he purposely gave his name as his forum nic. I've actually read his pier reviewed journal on improving the Bitcoin protocol, have you? No. Judging by the majority of the posts in that thread and this it's clear few if any have put two and two together and bothered to look into the guys's current and past positions.

When the hell did you come to the false conclusion I'm currently employed by KnC, let alone give me an actual job description?!

Sounds like you've an axe to grind, I'd rather you keep well away, thanks...
Edit2: Thank you very much. Hopefully I fixed it and didn't make another mistake.
Edit3: I'm not entering into the thread-bumping games with the PR reps. I'll acknowledge the replies by editing my most recent post, which just bolds the thread without bumping it to the top. Thanks.
http://www.wikihow.com/Be-a-Grammar-Nazi
Sorry, but I could not resist Wink
Edit4: Ha, ha. At the time of this quote reeses had previous post early in April and a total of 2 posts this year. We are missing you, dude!
Edit: It doesn't merit a separate post, but I want to preserve the hot response against possible future changes or deletions a la reeses.

My ears were burning.
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Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity.
Tape out to fab in 30ish days on 28nm??? - Nice dream unless the fab was booked 5 months ago.
The non-sequitur-s like above keep popping up on this forum. But repetition doesn't make them true.

For the organization like Uniquify, which for years was and is engaged in the IC development:

1) fab could have been booked 5 years ago with a long-term contract

2) alternative product lines could be a financial-risk-reduction strategy

3) the mask-making costs could be slipped into cracks in other ongoing projects

4) Bitcoin hashers are extremely repetitive, self-testing, fully-observable, among the few logic circuits where even the reset signal is not required, could be made without any licensing or intellectual property expenses. As such the costs could be shared between the design house and the fab with the suitable agreement about sharing the results of tests

5) I would not exclude the possibility of Bitcoin hashing kernel becoming one of the benchmark test structures used in the IC fabrication industry. As such they could be then manufactured in small quantities essentially for free.

So yeah, please speculate, but keep it grounded.

Huh Have Hashfast not approached Uniquity and paid them for their expertise in creating a chip for and alongside Hashfast's own design team? 28nm chip design runs into the millions. How much more grounded would you like me to be? Why by your own terminology do you suggest my comments border on the absurd??
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Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity.
Tape out to fab in 30ish days on 28nm??? - Nice dream unless the fab was booked 5 months ago.
The non-sequitur-s like above keep popping up on this forum. But repetition doesn't make them true.

For the organization like Uniquify, which for years was and is engaged in the IC development:

1) fab could have been booked 5 years ago with a long-term contract

2) alternative product lines could be a financial-risk-reduction strategy

3) the mask-making costs could be slipped into cracks in other ongoing projects

4) Bitcoin hashers are extremely repetitive, self-testing, fully-observable, among the few logic circuits where even the reset signal is not required, could be made without any licensing or intellectual property expenses. As such the costs could be shared between the design house and the fab with the suitable agreement about sharing the results of tests

5) I would not exclude the possibility of Bitcoin hashing kernel becoming one of the benchmark test structures used in the IC fabrication industry. As such they could be then manufactured in small quantities essentially for free.

So yeah, please speculate, but keep it grounded.
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How low can you go on the power consumption and $/GH?
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I sent an email to Uniquify (info@) today, asking if Mr. Bob Smith can confirm the letter in the OP.

I just received the answer that he does indeed confirm authorship.

So, most likely, NOT scam.  Smiley
While it's well worth it to check everything as a matter of course, it's not too likely that a principal who has produced widely read, well-cited research would forge a letter and put that forgery out on the internet.
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Hodl!
Interesting, but if I reach for my nearest pair of skepticals and put them on...

Tape out to fab in 30ish days on 28nm??? - Nice dream unless the fab was booked 5 months ago.

As others said, it better damn well be VERY significantly under 1J/Gh if you ever expect to cool it or have it stay soldered to a board, I'm spitballing 200W as the highest practical limit for a single chip in a mass production item here... and even then it's gonna be a bitch.

400GH... *mentally divides by half* so you'll probably eventually be shipping them at about 200GH for 150W then?

But the question will be, "How low can you go?" $5 a Gh or less? it's gonna be a real cut-throat market in the fall.

Don't get me wrong though, if you get anywhere near this, like a 1 Terahash machine @ 750W or under for under $5000, then I'll be ordering... but there's been people passing out all over round here from holding their breath for ASIC manufacturers to meet initially promised specs and delivery dates.

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I sent an email to Uniquify (info@) today, asking if Mr. Bob Smith can confirm the letter in the OP.

I just received the answer that he does indeed confirm authorship.

So, most likely, NOT scam.  Smiley
qwk
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This is a statement from Uniquify Inc, one of the world's leading ASIC design firms. They have done the physical design of our chip.

Subscribe to our website for product details as they come out, or hit me up directly with questions.

Cheers,
John Skrodenis
HashFast.com

Just a suggestion: to be taken extra-seriously, why not post a tiny press-release on the Uniquify website?

That'd spare us all the hassle of arguing about whether this is fake or not.

Nothing special, just something along the lines of "We're pleased to announce that we've been given the opportunity of developing a great new product in the exciting field of bitcoin mining". I guess that'd also give extra press for your company. I don't see why you would not want to go public with something like this.

http://www.uniquify.com/category/press-releases/
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How was the NRE funded for this project, or is that the intent of taking pre-orders in 7 days?
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seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd

Living up to your namesake? Try actually reading around the subject. Bitfury's is Polish/Russian and supposedly has the most efficient chip. KnC are Swedish/British and have a more efficient, more powerful chip than any PRC offering. Simon who heads this particular venture is British, with a solid British education...and has potentially the most powerful chip design. Be interested to know the die size and who is financing this, as it will have to be significant if there's not be any pre-order fundraising at anypoint. Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity. At least with pre-orders it's shared risk for a legitimate start-up.



you are overthinking my statement and it's not made to bash any companies. i welcome all companies with good products and manners.

No that's fine, but ALL of these individuals herald from Europe, yet European capability, knowledge and tech seems to frequently be bashed in these forums. Understand I'm British as well. I also bear no prejudice to anyone from anywhere, but won't accept such an inaccurate, sweeping statement, when all the facts suggest otherwise...

Smart, honest and amicable people can exist anywhere on this planet. They are traits earned through being inquisitive and wanting to learn, whilst upholding values and integrity.
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seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd

Living up to your namesake? Try actually reading around the subject. Bitfury's is Polish/Russian and supposedly has the most efficient chip. KnC are Swedish/British and have a more efficient, more powerful chip than any PRC offering. Simon who heads this particular venture is British, with a solid British education...and has potentially the most powerful chip design. Be interested to know the die size and who is financing this, as it will have to be significant if there's not be any pre-order fundraising at anypoint. Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity. At least with pre-orders it's shared risk for a legitimate start-up.



you are overthinking my statement and it's not made to bash any companies. i welcome all companies with good products and manners.
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Good luck man.  If you want us to produce massive volumes of chips  for you let me know.
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seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd

Living up to your namesake? Try actually reading around the subject. Bitfury's is Polish/Russian and supposedly has the most efficient chip. KnC are Swedish/British and have a more efficient, more powerful chip than any PRC offering. Simon who heads this particular venture is British, with a solid British education...and has potentially the most powerful chip design. Be interested to know the die size and who is financing this, as it will have to be significant if there's not be any pre-order fundraising at anypoint. Not to mention a huge financial risk for any single private entity. At least with pre-orders it's shared risk for a legitimate start-up.

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Energy efficiency in the announcement was 'significantly better than 1 Joule/Gigahash'. That translates to 'significantly less than 400 Watts' for 1 chip running at nominal frequency, returning 400GH/s.
Simon

What's the TDP on the package? CPU's are generally limited to around 130W, so is this the case for your device too?
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so one chip will hash at 400gigahash/sec?

how you ll cool it? with a/c?

:0)

Hi Papa,

We will announce the cooling solution in the next few days.

Simon
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We know nothing about power draw, etc. etc., but this would make possible a multi-TH single mining machine/rig.  If this holds true, IMHO, then this chip would be the first true Gen 3 ASIC out there.  Truly an order of magnitude jump in performance over the competition.

Energy efficiency in the announcement was 'significantly better than 1 Joule/Gigahash'. That translates to 'significantly less than 400 Watts' for 1 chip running at nominal frequency, returning 400GH/s.

Simon
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seems like it's becoming China Vs US with Europe somewhere in 3rd
With due respect to your observation, that's not the only way to look at the evolution here. 

First we had entrepreneurs who brought out "least common denominator" chips through trusted youthful and professional relationships and the entre' to manufacturing that brought.  Due to that manufacturing access as much as anything, those teams were based in the PRC.

Then we have seen entrepreneurs who have been able to either design themselves, or enlist the interest and stakes of those who can.  Both of those groups are European based, and their products are a clear step above the first.

Now comes a known, credible theoretician / practitioner who has the ability to engage competent design talent, build a company, and plan an offering a clear step above the second.  Not surprisingly, this team is Silicon Valley based.  There is no faux American nationalism in saying that's where many of the edges of the technology are still the sharpest.

Note that BFL doesn't even fit into this evolution; they are largely an anomaly, more of a sideshow every day, and, barring a spectacular and unlikely turnaround, are well on their way to becoming just a punch line for jokes.

There's still plenty of room of these guys to step on a land mine, but I hope the best for them.
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Errr...we're talking millions.
Yes, they are.  But if their chip design firm is to be taken at face value, a chip which provides 400 GH has, without pricing the enabling hardware, an initial retail value of no less than USD 5 to 7 thousand each.

How many do you think they could sell at that price point, even in the autumn post KnC, post bitfury, post Avalon DIY?  Or alternatively, if their business model were to turn inward, what kind of market force could they become with ability to maintain network share at that rate?  Might that potentially be an attractive investment at some terms?  
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So, speculation time, since we have only a little to go on (might be fun, right?).

Anyone else notice that they said a 400GH/s chip?  That's 4X faster than the highest we have seen predicted from any other competitor.

We know nothing about power draw, etc. etc., but this would make possible a multi-TH single mining machine/rig.  If this holds true, IMHO, then this chip would be the first true Gen 3 ASIC out there.  Truly an order of magnitude jump in performance over the competition.

It's exciting to speculate, no? Wink
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