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January 03, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
It could also be a Hashnest strategy. Think about this...suddenly hashnest had about 250 S7 miners on stock and minutes later it showed out of stock. Let's say they put all that hash in the market. The offer will surpass the demand and also will generate a contagious effect on a whole bunch of frighten / newbies users trying to salvage whatever is left, even though they bought it at 0.0015 or so. Then when the offer stops, price will reach rock bottom, and guess who has the assets to buy everything in a heartbeat? Then slowly but steadily the price will increase and reach its normal value (my guess btw 0.0009 and 0.001). Your thoughts?

That's a theory  I'll also thought about .
My guess is than even at this price , hashnest is still doing profit and even more profit if they buy low.

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January 03, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
Theres been a price drop since the new period of readjustment.  I expect a price drop with high difficulty but the price has continued to declined following days after which I am left wondering why when difficulty is looking to be neutral for the next period.  Very hard market to buy hash on the market, any clues as to why there is so much decline?

The market has never been, is not now, and will not be rational.  You have kids with no knowledge of trading strategies buying and selling hash on top of tons of people who don't fully understand what the underlying asset is.  Just look back a few pages, there are posts upon posts of people with no knowledge of what they are buying asking questions.  Those same individuals will soon realize they bought at the wrong time and try to sell to recoup their losses.

Its really not hard to value these assets.  Look at what each of the hash types will make at different difficulty adjustments, then decide which average difficulty jump you think is right.  If the total amount made is over the price of the hash, DO NOT BUY.  Its a really simply concept, and yet, there are tons of people who continue to buy.  And don't tell me the units have underlying value also.  If your plan is to try and sell these at a profit, then your still not understanding the underlying asset and if you think these will have a residual value, take a look at when the S3 and S2 went away.  It was costing so much money to get these shipped out, that it wasn't even worth it.  These are only worth what they will mine minus maintenance costs until they are no longer profitable.

Thanks for the reply.  The fact that the market is not rational really helps to make a lot more sense out of the trading action.  It's too bad there are so many people lacking basic economics to understand how this market works.  It seems simple to me, it's just a deprecating asset that pays dividends and to make profit you just have to simply earn more dividends than the asset depreciates over a certain length of time.  So with irrational declines someone would only have the choice of holding the hash in hopes the market goes back up to re-enter the profit territory at which there is a risk of high readjustment which will cause a rational decline and possibly irrational panic sells by people. 

Pretty dangerous market to dabble in and I can see how bitmain makes profit at this being they sell their miners at a high cost in the first place, the maintenance fee, trade fee, handling fee if they ship it out at redemption and then they keep what ever coin is left over when that miner goes off the market.  Meanwhile while the miner is online noob traders short themselves to death.

Pretty much, but what is nice is if you really understand the market and watch it for a bit, you can make easy money by trading the dips in price against those who don't understand it. I have probably made over 5 btc by trading S5, S4, S3, and Umisoo hash. It really is ripe for the profit.
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January 03, 2016, 11:37:21 AM
Theres been a price drop since the new period of readjustment.  I expect a price drop with high difficulty but the price has continued to declined following days after which I am left wondering why when difficulty is looking to be neutral for the next period.  Very hard market to buy hash on the market, any clues as to why there is so much decline?

The market has never been, is not now, and will not be rational.  You have kids with no knowledge of trading strategies buying and selling hash on top of tons of people who don't fully understand what the underlying asset is.  Just look back a few pages, there are posts upon posts of people with no knowledge of what they are buying asking questions.  Those same individuals will soon realize they bought at the wrong time and try to sell to recoup their losses.

Its really not hard to value these assets.  Look at what each of the hash types will make at different difficulty adjustments, then decide which average difficulty jump you think is right.  If the total amount made is over the price of the hash, DO NOT BUY.  Its a really simply concept, and yet, there are tons of people who continue to buy.  And don't tell me the units have underlying value also.  If your plan is to try and sell these at a profit, then your still not understanding the underlying asset and if you think these will have a residual value, take a look at when the S3 and S2 went away.  It was costing so much money to get these shipped out, that it wasn't even worth it.  These are only worth what they will mine minus maintenance costs until they are no longer profitable.

Thanks for the reply.  The fact that the market is not rational really helps to make a lot more sense out of the trading action.  It's too bad there are so many people lacking basic economics to understand how this market works.  It seems simple to me, it's just a deprecating asset that pays dividends and to make profit you just have to simply earn more dividends than the asset depreciates over a certain length of time.  So with irrational declines someone would only have the choice of holding the hash in hopes the market goes back up to re-enter the profit territory at which there is a risk of high readjustment which will cause a rational decline and possibly irrational panic sells by people. 

Pretty dangerous market to dabble in and I can see how bitmain makes profit at this being they sell their miners at a high cost in the first place, the maintenance fee, trade fee, handling fee if they ship it out at redemption and then they keep what ever coin is left over when that miner goes off the market.  Meanwhile while the miner is online noob traders short themselves to death.
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January 03, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
In December, I was busy and I didn't watch what is going on with GHS price in  HashNest. What happened that prices goes down? Are there some informations about new miners or thats only Christmas confusion?

The latest batches of s7s flooded the market with so much GHs, coming from the shop and sold straight to the market for instant profits. Demand couldn't keep up, pulling the prices down.

After the first batch the price was around 2 Bitcoin. That's just 5 weeks ago.
Today the price is tradiing around ~ .8 BTC per TH.

Surely some strategy is happening. Although iI can''t imagine hashnest profiting from this.
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January 03, 2016, 08:36:24 AM
In December, I was busy and I didn't watch what is going on with GHS price in  HashNest. What happened that prices goes down? Are there some informations about new miners or thats only Christmas confusion?

The latest batches of s7s flooded the market with so much GHs, coming from the shop and sold straight to the market for instant profits. Demand couldn't keep up, pulling the prices down.
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January 03, 2016, 08:26:33 AM
It could also be a Hashnest strategy. Think about this...suddenly hashnest had about 250 S7 miners on stock and minutes later it showed out of stock. Let's say they put all that hash in the market. The offer will surpass the demand and also will generate a contagious effect on a whole bunch of frighten / newbies users trying to salvage whatever is left, even though they bought it at 0.0015 or so. Then when the offer stops, price will reach rock bottom, and guess who has the assets to buy everything in a heartbeat? Then slowly but steadily the price will increase and reach its normal value (my guess btw 0.0009 and 0.001). Your thoughts?
legendary
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January 03, 2016, 06:05:55 AM
In December, I was busy and I didn't watch what is going on with GHS price in  HashNest. What happened that prices goes down? Are there some informations about new miners or thats only Christmas confusion?
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January 03, 2016, 04:28:04 AM
Noob question.  Trying to log onto hashnet to check it out and it wants a trade pin.  What is that?  Sorry in advance for my lack of knowledge, I tried searching but with no luck.

You can set it up in settings panel
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January 03, 2016, 03:21:49 AM
Noob question.  Trying to log onto hashnet to check it out and it wants a trade pin.  What is that?  Sorry in advance for my lack of knowledge, I tried searching but with no luck.

A trade pin is used when you want to transact in the hash market. It is also used when you want to withdraw from your hashnest wallet. It is an extra protective layer other than your password.

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January 03, 2016, 03:18:25 AM
Noob question.  Trying to log onto hashnet to check it out and it wants a trade pin.  What is that?  Sorry in advance for my lack of knowledge, I tried searching but with no luck.
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January 03, 2016, 02:21:11 AM
Theres been a price drop since the new period of readjustment.  I expect a price drop with high difficulty but the price has continued to declined following days after which I am left wondering why when difficulty is looking to be neutral for the next period.  Very hard market to buy hash on the market, any clues as to why there is so much decline?

The prices always adjust somewhere under 160-180 days ROI so for S5 slightly above .3/Ths and S4 .15 we might have reached temporary bottom for few days now. S7 at 0.8 is still overpriced IMHO so I wouldn't touch it for now. Even if it survives halving the revenue will be ultra low to justify that price.
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January 03, 2016, 01:47:45 AM
Theres been a price drop since the new period of readjustment.  I expect a price drop with high difficulty but the price has continued to declined following days after which I am left wondering why when difficulty is looking to be neutral for the next period.  Very hard market to buy hash on the market, any clues as to why there is so much decline?

The market has never been, is not now, and will not be rational.  You have kids with no knowledge of trading strategies buying and selling hash on top of tons of people who don't fully understand what the underlying asset is.  Just look back a few pages, there are posts upon posts of people with no knowledge of what they are buying asking questions.  Those same individuals will soon realize they bought at the wrong time and try to sell to recoup their losses.

Its really not hard to value these assets.  Look at what each of the hash types will make at different difficulty adjustments, then decide which average difficulty jump you think is right.  If the total amount made is over the price of the hash, DO NOT BUY.  Its a really simply concept, and yet, there are tons of people who continue to buy.  And don't tell me the units have underlying value also.  If your plan is to try and sell these at a profit, then your still not understanding the underlying asset and if you think these will have a residual value, take a look at when the S3 and S2 went away.  It was costing so much money to get these shipped out, that it wasn't even worth it.  These are only worth what they will mine minus maintenance costs until they are no longer profitable.
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January 02, 2016, 10:45:25 PM
Theres been a price drop since the new period of readjustment.  I expect a price drop with high difficulty but the price has continued to declined following days after which I am left wondering why when difficulty is looking to be neutral for the next period.  Very hard market to buy hash on the market, any clues as to why there is so much decline?
legendary
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January 01, 2016, 12:47:13 PM
Can somebody explain to me why the prices for Ant7 is so much higher than the Ant5 when calculations are done the Ant5 is more profittable. Or maybe my calc is off?

According to my calculations at current values, Ant5 will make me $2.37 daily against $1.73 with the Ant7 for each BTC I buy GH/s with

if BTC price drop below $350 YES then we have another situation

It may have to do with the fact that in late spring/early summer the BTC reward will half.
It def has to do with that with the S7 being twice as efficient it essentially has a longer life time at current bitcoin prices.  The S5 will be squeezed out sooner as the difficulty rises and btc price stays the same.  It can last slightly longer if the price of a bitcoin climbs, but are a risk to not last past the summer halving.
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January 01, 2016, 10:25:43 AM
Can somebody explain to me why the prices for Ant7 is so much higher than the Ant5 when calculations are done the Ant5 is more profittable. Or maybe my calc is off?

According to my calculations at current values, Ant5 will make me $2.37 daily against $1.73 with the Ant7 for each BTC I buy GH/s with

if BTC price drop below $350 YES then we have another situation

It may have to do with the fact that in late spring/early summer the BTC reward will half.
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January 01, 2016, 07:21:58 AM
Can somebody explain to me why the prices for Ant7 is so much higher than the Ant5 when calculations are done the Ant5 is more profittable. Or maybe my calc is off?

According to my calculations at current values, Ant5 will make me $2.37 daily against $1.73 with the Ant7 for each BTC I buy GH/s with

if BTC price drop below $350 YES then we have another situation
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January 01, 2016, 03:02:52 AM
Chinese new year is February 8, 2016 for 16 days.  Not like US and Europe celebrations.

Although Chinese New Year lasts 15 days on the Lunar calendar, they don't take 15 days off. It is usually a day off on the eve of Chinese New Year (for reunion dinner) and 2 days off in subsequently for the first and second day of the festive season.

IIRC, in China, they have a major holiday during the month of October that they call it "Dual Ten Golden Week" the country literally takes 1 week off work. That is when your goods starts to get delayed and logistic nightmare occurs.


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December 31, 2015, 09:53:52 PM
they got  150 employees, send someone to reset that thing. send the janitor  if u have to.
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December 31, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
Chinese new year is February 8, 2016 for 16 days.  Not like US and Europe celebrations.

I thought they celebrate both.
they do , so expect this shit again around feb.   although i was here for that last feb , operations  was fairly decent considering they  party hardcore for chinese new years.
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December 31, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
Chinese new year is February 8, 2016 for 16 days.  Not like US and Europe celebrations.

I thought they celebrate both.
If they do I want to live in China! lol They may but I know for sure all the hardware manufacturers in China take of for over a week for their New Year celebrations.
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