Topic: Have we left "Bitcoin Discussion" board for spammers, forever?? - page 4. (Read 3025 times)

Not sure if you're really serious here. Do you really think it is necessary to introduce KYC here, in this forum, to reduce the amount of accounts spamming threads? Oh boy, oh boy, this, in my belief will never happen and will not solve much. Don't get me wrong. I feel you and I understand that you are trying come up with something to help the forum but this is just impossible.

Many accounts are not welcome on our forum, but the rules are not forbidden - I understand correctly?
Then the solution to the problem with spam on the forum can be decided only by linking the account -and here arises the question of how you can bind an account so that a person does not create 2 and 3 accounts.
The one who will solve this problem will immediately solve the problem of the forum with spam. And believe me that immediately reduce the number of registered people for 70 percent on the forum.

P.S. My opinion is that it is necessary to introduce the KYC, with the provision of documents and selfi with a passport.
Once this is done, immediately 20% less will become accounts, trust me.

Misuse of resources is what some humans do which they shouldn't. Now, just because it is not prohibited to have multiple accounts, it doesn't mean a person should start farming them for negative purposes and have a gigantic list of usernames and passwords saved in a text file on their computers or noted down on papers and kept in a safe like money. There are no official rules against having multiple accounts because people might as well need one more account for, as you said, another reason for which they cannot use their existing account for some reason. In such cases, you should create another account, but that is not what people do - and that is the reason why having multiple accounts is discouraged, though allowed.

I understand that when a person has a site, business, service, he can have separate accounts for this. But at registration you can add a radio button (An individual, A service) and then all service profiles will have a distinctive sign.
If you do not have services, companies, and you just communicate on this forum, then why do you need a dozen of accounts? I can not find any explanation other than to do business on this account farm. Of course, there may be other reasons, but I think this is 1% of cases.

No, the problem is in the starting of those discussions, or in the titles of them. Just read all the titles in that snap and you can have an idea that almost all of them, except for one or two, are useless discussions, no matter how many or less replies they have got until now. Those threads with less replies but with useless titles or starting posts are going to reach the same position very soon.


I think they do, but spammers beat them by 10-100. They delete 10 posts, and meanwhile, there are literally 100 or more replies posted. They would absolutely get helpless in such situations. We need more mods for every section that is extremely congested, like Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion and some more.


It's not true that no one cares about all this, nor the fact that everyone is accustomed to this is right. It burns us like hell to see all this happening, but all we can do is to suggest things to prevent this from happening, and that is what we do. It is the decision of theymos (he's the Administrator, if you don't know) to implement something, and no one can really force him to do that unless he thinks/decides that something is right to be done.


Although it has become a custom to have multiple accounts to earn money now a days, but having more than one account is not actually a bad thing at the first place, as long as they are not being used negatively. I would not blame someone to be bad only for having two accounts unless I find them using any one of them in something that is bad for the forum.

Also
How can I earn free BTC
How much do you earn
Is it too late to buy BTC
...

I think any one writing such posts must be banned.

I became a user of this forum recently. And I'm really very surprised by the huge number of meaningless posts.

When I began to carefully consider the messages in my topics, I came to the conclusion that many people perceive communication in this forum as a business.

People register several accounts and try to improve their reputation by stupid but much posting.

When I was here and began to read it all, I was very surprised at the fact that there are so many idiots in such a serious forum. And everyone does not care. Everyone is accustomed to this.
But as it turned out, these people are not idiots. It's simply impossible to create clever useful posts when you just need to develop your account to make money.

It seems to me that the problem with all this is that you can have several accounts on this forum. You will never monitor the quality of your messages if you have dozens of accounts.

Please explain to me why this decision was made? (allow multi-accounting)

Simply because of their post counts. Almost 98% of these spam bastards are on a bounty campaign of some shitty tokens that they believe have a potential on making through the market.
Even the Mods doesn't bother anymore to delete topics on those boards. They'll just take their time deleting it if someone reports it.

As your subject have we left ?. I don't think something is remain to left. Already many times discussed about how to prevent spam. So many ideas came out from potentials member's but theymos never replied them and no any action. You don't think that already left ? All the newbie Jr. free to ware signature , so where they go to reply ? Obviously on Bitcoin Discussion or Altcoin Discussion. Because this 2 board is easy to spaming. Many people's suggest to disable signature up to Jr. Members and required at least 1 merit for become Jr. Member's. Theymos don't think it would be help to prevent spam ?

Great research bro! Quite alarming stats to say the least.

Some new threads with a low number of posts are still spam threads, because those sort of threads have been made multiple times.

Some example I see are like

Bitcoin won't die
Bitcoin's Future
Why is the Bitcoin price dropping?
What price will you sell your Bitcoin?

Scary to see...

A good comparison thanks ...
I want to ask a question - where are the moderators of this section, why they do not suspend the same topics?
Spam is very bad, but if the moderator for a couple of weeks will ban the same in the sense of the topic, believe it to stop.

Depends on the context really, and how much effort is put into the post. There's too many variables to paint everyone with the same brush, and it would need to be taken as a case by case basis. Duplicate questions aren't too bad, and some times invites healthy discussion.

The problem is in the high number of replies.

Who is going to read more than 1k comments and the one writing the last comment what is he going to add to the thread!
Besides, sometimes you find threads on the first page and after wasting your time reading it you discover that it was written years ago and an idiot bump it by adding an unuseful reply.

the bitcoin main board is rather like a personal one on one with satoshi compared to the alt main board.

think yourselves fortunate if you have no need to venture there to find a sensible/informative/mildly interesting thread to read

decentralised moderation via a new version of noob jail using junior boards and merits is the only way forward

want to spend your time feeling negative about reporting bots, spammers, shills, and just noobs that have not read the rules or want to spend some time now and then rewarding new genuine members that want to learn themselves and willing to help other noobs learn about crypto.

seems an obvious way forward and nobody has really posed a reason not to go forward with it other than people can go to a lot of time trouble if they want to get around this .... only to be nuked if they are noticed acting in an undesirable way later on.

let's get on with it before we have nobody left posting anywhere except in meta complaining about how shit the main boards are now.

I have even gone back to using reddit lately that's how bad it really is here now on the main alt boards and even the btc main board is just the same crap regurgitated round and round

Of course some of the ann threads here are still the best for specific projects if you don't want to go slack or more annoying mediums

Setting your new threads in self-moderated mode help a lot. You can be surprised. It should be a standard for users interested to participate in a normal discussion, but sadly the thread is drowned by others still. If we have 10 people making daily 10 new threads, we can make a revolution

Personally, I regret to never see some members posting there. :/

Altcoin Discussion works out similarly to Bitcoin Discussion, at a ratio of 4.36.

Now, if you sort by new threads in Bitcoin Discussion (and therefore include no spam-megathreads in the analysis) the ratio increases from 3.81 to 6.51. If you do the opposite, and only include threads with >200 posts, the ratio drops to 3.40. Some of the individual spam threads are coming in with ratios below 3.

I think this correlates with what we all suspect - no one is going in to a spam thread with 10+ pages of replies, and reading what is written. Half the time they don't even read the OP. They just churn out a line or two that has almost certainly been said before, that no one else will ever read.

What if someone posts repeated answers to repeated questions?
What if someone posts something he does not know the truth, and only based on Opinion?
Are they Spammers  ?

Some read the title, and some only read the last few replies of that thread and starting posting according to them, without even reading the OP.
A spammer is just like a child who only does what others are doing, with no further thinking of whether it is right or wrong, or whether it should be done or not.


It has. "Bitcoin Discussion" is not the only board that is flooded with spam every day, but it is one of the main boards of the forum and that is what takes my heart. Otherwise, there is more than enough spam in every single section of the forum that needs not be there.


They require a place to spill their shit, and they don't really find it here in Meta and that's the actual reason why we don't see a lot of spammers in our threads in this board. If someone starts a useless thread here, it gets reported if it does not belong here, but in Bitcoin Discussion section a spammer starts a topic which actually is a discussion but isn't constructive or is repeated several times already, so it would remain there and becomes the place for other spammers to fulfill their needs.


That's insane!
I wonder what would be the results of the same analysis in Altcoin Discussion board knowing it is the most crowded board by replies/posts right now.

You just got me thinking, so I performed a quick and dirty snapshot audit and analysis:

I just copy-and-pasted the first page of a selection of boards, dumped them in to excel, summed all the replies and all the views, then divided total 1st page views by 1st page replies to get a ratio of views per reply. In other words, for each reply posted, how many views are there, per board.

The results are exactly as expected:

Development & Technical Discussion: 19.57
Technical Support: 21.11
Project Development: 56.53
Economics: 32.56
Meta: 18.69

Bitcoin Discussion: 3.81.
This is about 10% of the average ratio of the less spammy boards. I think this is proof that people aren't viewing threads on Bitcoin Discussion out of interest in the topic or replies, they are doing it to pad their post count.

Yeph, that's actually how things work in Bitcoin Discussion now. Some are not even reading the topic's title and just posting nonsense or off-topic reply and some are just copying and pasting other members reply. Bitcoin Discussion already became a spam fest for spammers and we should not disregard this problem or else this "spam virus" will spread through other sections and boards here in the forum. I wish Meta section won't get infected (but actually spammers are now starting to make nonsense threads here in Meta).