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Topic: [Havelock] HASH - Mining Equipment Sales, Contracts, and More - page 8. (Read 17394 times)

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between a rock and a block!
I am working on getting the signed copy of the various agreements / registrations with the Hong Kong Corporation prepared and sent out to two neutral 3rd parties to vouch for their validity. If this cannot be done prior to noon, EST, I will gladly postpone the IPO until said people can verify the agreements. Additionally, I will provide them a redacted copy of the purchase agreement for 2150 N. Court Street, which will show that we have 90 days to purchase the building, and we are said winners of auction that took place on June 12th.

I am in possession of the signed real estate agreement as well as the executed agreement with mentioned HK Corp.

Post it.
I don't see the need to do so.  I am confirming that stated info is correct.  Folks can make up their own mind based on our reputations, or lack of them.
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I am working on getting the signed copy of the various agreements / registrations with the Hong Kong Corporation prepared and sent out to two neutral 3rd parties to vouch for their validity. If this cannot be done prior to noon, EST, I will gladly postpone the IPO until said people can verify the agreements. Additionally, I will provide them a redacted copy of the purchase agreement for 2150 N. Court Street, which will show that we have 90 days to purchase the building, and we are said winners of auction that took place on June 12th.

I am in possession of the signed real estate agreement as well as the executed agreement with mentioned HK Corp.

Post it.
donator
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between a rock and a block!
I am working on getting the signed copy of the various agreements / registrations with the Hong Kong Corporation prepared and sent out to two neutral 3rd parties to vouch for their validity. If this cannot be done prior to noon, EST, I will gladly postpone the IPO until said people can verify the agreements. Additionally, I will provide them a redacted copy of the purchase agreement for 2150 N. Court Street, which will show that we have 90 days to purchase the building, and we are said winners of auction that took place on June 12th.

I am in possession of the signed real estate agreement as well as the executed agreement with mentioned HK Corp.
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I am working on getting the signed copy of the various agreements / registrations with the Hong Kong Corporation prepared and sent out to two neutral 3rd parties to vouch for their validity. If this cannot be done prior to noon, EST, I will gladly postpone the IPO until said people can verify the agreements. Additionally, I will provide them a redacted copy of the purchase agreement for 2150 N. Court Street, which will show that we have 90 days to purchase the building, and we are said winners of auction that took place on June 12th.
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Gleb, any reason you're not posting under your normal account of Phinnaeus Gage?

Yes. It's locked.

Why? Did people report you because you were throwing off their threads?

Worse!
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Gleb, any reason you're not posting under your normal account of Phinnaeus Gage?

Yes. It's locked.

Why? Did people report you because you were throwing off their threads?
vip
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Gleb, any reason you're not posting under your normal account of Phinnaeus Gage?

Yes. It's locked.
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Gleb, any reason you're not posting under your normal account of Phinnaeus Gage?
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Having more capital to place large hardware orders can cut both ways. Many resellers of ASICMiner block erupters placed large orders last year and we're not able to sell through their inventory before ASICMiner really undercut them on price. Some of these resellers took a really large financial hit as a result.

There are way too many unanswered questions associated with this offering.

More specifically:

1.) Why does a US based company need a partnership with a Hong Kong investment company (BTCI) unless you are having issues complying with US securities law? This association simply seems like a legal gray area that could get you into a lot of trouble in the future.

2.) I don't see anything in the offering that provides any details about how new shareholders will get their money back. I also don't see any reason why the current owners of the business could not simply take any money raised during this IPO, use it for their own purposes (whatever they may be), pay out very low dividends, and dilute existing shares until they are almost worthless. The current valuation alone makes any shares sold during this IPO almost worthless.

3.) How many existing owners are in the business, and how much of the company do they own?

4.) If your business needs capital, why not follow a more traditional route and go to a bank with a solid business plan and try to get a loan? Have you checked into http://www.techcolumbus.org? They help small tech businesses get up and running.

5.) If you do treat new shareholders fairly and pay out decent dividends, it will also be hard to grow the business because you will be saddled with new liabilities to your new shareholders. The only way to get around this is to stiff shareholders.



There are certainly risks associated with buying a lot of hardware that may depriciate quickly. However, we would try to hedge against buying any one item, or one item class, so if they drop the price, we should be safe. Even then, the technology involved in mining hardware has maturated significantly. I don't believe we're going to see huge increases in price v. performance, as every company now uses 28nm or at worst, 40nm technology. Furthermore, the rapidly-deteriorating prices (seemingly) only happened with ASICMiner USBs and some of their other products very early on. Unless you got stuck with $200 USB's, the rest of the market did pretty well. For what its worth, we bought the largest number of USB's when they were discontinued - 3,500 units in October. We sold them all at a profit.

Other answers:

1) Early in the year when we were figuring out the best structure to handle both domestic US investors and foreign investors along with the investment being made in crypto-currency, it was planned to keep the two entities (Coin Services LLC and Big Trend Capital Investment Limited) completely separate. This would allow the foreign investment received to fall under Reg. S for an exemption from formal registration and simply withholding under IRS tax laws. (This was the wording you saw in the post).

As such I asked John to provide nominee services while I retained complete control of BTCI Ltd. via a power of attorney and control of the company
seals. Since then, the SEC and the IRS have become more clear on how to define usage of cyptro-currencies and as such and while it was decided to use the same structure we kept the same execution plan and we wanted to keep very clear distinction of the two offerings. We do not need to make it clearly two distinct entities, hence this posting explain and linking the two together for more transparency.

BTCI does hold 40% of the Member Units of Coin Services LLC. This amount of units is the basis of the investment on Havelock for foreign investors. US investors will invest directly with the US LLC via a Reg. D 506c exemption we have obtained from the SEC. To avail ourselves of both exemptions we do need to keep the two offerings separate from each other and will do such through the onshore and offshore entities.

While it seems confusing and complex, our goal is to maintain compliance with the many SEC laws governing private placement and foreign investment. Many other startups who have raised funds in crypto did not take the time, money or effort to keep in compliance and these are the stories we all have recently heard that shake the foundation of crypto investing.

Dividends, based on the Reg. S exemption can be paid from Coin Services to BTCI to pass on to Havelock for distribution to investors and we have tried to structure the dividend payout to have the least amount of withholding taxes as possible to put more return in the hands of the investors.

2) Re: Paying shareholders back - They will recieve 30% of all net profits generated by the company. Profits will be reported every 3 months on a GAAP-basis (or to the best of our abilities). As stated in the initial post and prospectus, we will create a 3-member board consisting of shareholders from Havelock to represent BTCI. These members will have access to any document they request of the company - including general ledgers which show all financial transactions within the company. This way, if any corporate malfeasance takes place, the board members can relay this to shareholders, and take appropriate legal actions.

3) In BTCI, all shareholder accounts are disclosed in the prospectus (approximately 60% being previous investors, and 40% being new as per the IPO). In Coin Services LLC, I own 60%, and BTCI owns 40%.

4) My understanding with the Columbus Tech Angels is that (as per their website), they mostly fund tech companies that work in science/industry, as opposed to retail-centric companies focusing on redistribution for products of a technical nature. I will likely contact them, though, to see what they say. In regards to a bank/business loan, that would be extremely difficult as we have only 1 year of income on our books. I've talked to banks about this already, and they have generally said that you need no less than 2 to approach a bank for a business loan. Alternatively, since Coin Services LLC is a 506c company, we can easily go the traditional route for fundraising via VC. We may still go that route, but I've focused very heavily on working with crypto platforms, as we got our start on Litecoin Global, and I somewhat wanted to keep within the crypto community if it were possible.

5) With 30% of net profits being allocated towards dividend payments to BTCI, I believe that we can use the remaining portion to reinvest quickly into the company to grow out the products and offerings. As per the prospectus, we have a reasonable range of services we want to leverage between retail, mining and contracts. I think all 3 categories complement each other in such a way that we can return a meaningful dividend to our shareholders, while ensuring viability for the offering. That is what we're trying to focus on - viability - as opposed to the (seemingly) losing proposition of yet-another mining bond. As per the last two pages of the propectus, I believe we can have ae very strong BTC-based EPS, even in a future where Bitcoin sees significant appreciation against the dollar. This is why we want both mining *and* (primarily) sales. Each hedge against the other - mining hedges against fiat, and sales hedge against crypto, so we can mitigate BTC volatility in our earnings reports.
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Benny, would you be able to post the lawyers justification for thinking that this offering will pass the SEC?
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John has been a part of this project (on the BTCI side) for nearly a year now as an adviser/director. Even then, I am certain that showing documents/information about John will solve any argument made by these people.

Hold on! You are not being accurate in your statement. The documents retrieved from the Honk Kong company register shows that JOHN KENTON FREEMAN was appointed on 3rd January 2014. That is far less than "nearly a year". You are trying to imply that JOHN KENTON FREEMAN has been the director of BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED since it was founded. That is not the case and you are aware of that. BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED was founded by another company in Honk Kong, which appears to be a company specialized in found companies and sell them.

Moreover, you did not provided any evidence which indicates you are authorized by JOHN KENTON FREEMAN to act in behalf of BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED. You also did not explained how BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED obtained 40% of COIN SERVICES LCC.

I am more than willing to vouch for you if you clarify that. You said you received power of attorney of JOHN KENTON FREEMAN to represent BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED. So where is the document signed by him? We all know power of attorney is not just granted by verbal agreement.

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On 28th October 2013 the company BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED was formed by another company, GNL13 LIMITED:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQUWlhd2lTcm1NMWM/edit?usp=sharing

On 3rd January 2014 the company BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED appointed a new director, JOHN KENTON FREEMAN:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQY05JZm1MSVNFaEk/edit?usp=sharing

On 3rd January 2014 the company BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED resigned the company GNL13 LIMITED as director:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B6gZtLSqKPzQbzltMVAxNDhFejA/edit?usp=sharing

In other words, the company which supposedly owns 40% of Coin Services LCC was formed by an entity completely unrelated to the matter in discussion. Then later appointed a new director know as John Kenton Freeman, an USA national with residential address in China. Now this company is being used to raise funds via unregistered securities issued by a Panama exchange.

That raises more questions: at which date BIG TREND CAPITAL INVESTMENT LIMITED obtained 40% of Coin Services LCC? Who is JOHN KENTON FREEMAN and what is his track record in financial investments?
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That post was from nearly a year ago and it didn't happen exactly like that obviously. But as you can see, if you wanted to, we are in a similar neighborhood. I'd call that pretty good job on Benny's part to see where he's taking the company and working to get it there. ...and worth a mention is that when asked he gave an forthright answer.
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Delete this, and I will buy some of your "units" during your "IPO," and then file complaints

here:  https://www.comapps.ohio.gov/secu/secu_apps/complaints/Complaints.aspx
and here: https://denebleo.sec.gov/TCRExternal/index.xhtml

Do it Smiley

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You have previously stated that Mr. Freeman would make a statement here, on the forum, confirming his involvement with your scheme.
You have now rescinded that promise.
Do I understand you correctly?

LMAO! We're on the same page, bud.
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Delete this, and I will buy some of your "units" during your "IPO," and then file complaints

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and here: https://denebleo.sec.gov/TCRExternal/index.xhtml

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You have previously stated that Mr. Freeman would make a statement here, on the forum, confirming his involvement with your scheme.
You have now rescinded that promise.
Do I understand you correctly?
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I dont get why there is a made up person owning part of the company??
can someone gimme the breakdown what going on here, is there a made up person who owns a BTC company again......lol

Hi stompysteve,

There isn't a made up person that owns part of the company. There is a director for BTCI that they are claiming doesn't exist. I am working to get him to come on the forum and make a statement about his involvement with BTCI as a director, and his involvement within the project. I did not anticipate the negative attacks from NotLambChop/IPOMagic and Gleb Gamrow that would force me to get him on the forums in a quick manner to somehow belay their fears that he is not real. John has been a part of this project (on the BTCI side) for nearly a year now as an adviser/director. Even then, I am certain that showing documents/information about John will solve any argument made by these people.

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Only a fool that is uneducated will never understand the logic of a company and the details that are fully explained here about it, if you don't read English and understand it don't post at all.

If you want mining equipment contact the guy, meet up with him if you are putting money on the line to make sure it's legit like anyone else who do invest time into a company.

Common sense seems to be hard to find in the crypto industry.

That is what I do not get, Jayson. I have yet to get a phone call, E-mail, or visit from either of these people. As I've stated, I will gladly meet them at the facility or at Cryptolina. I am unsure how much more I can make myself available.
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Only a fool that is uneducated will never understand the logic of a company and the details that are fully explained here about it, if you don't read English and understand it don't post at all.

If you want mining equipment contact the guy, meet up with him if you are putting money on the line to make sure it's legit like anyone else who do invest time into a company.

Common sense seems to be hard to find in the crypto industry.
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I dont get why there is a made up person owning part of the company??
can someone gimme the breakdown what going on here, is there a made up person who owns a BTC company again......lol
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Did you not understand what I just said research before you post like idiots. Fud everywhere.
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