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Topic: [HAVELOCK] PETAMINE - 1,150 TH/S HASH RATE (1GH/S per Unit) - page 223. (Read 565837 times)

legendary
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I taught I'm missing something in your post, rdyoung, so I read it again. You are calculating in reinvestments, at $6/gh, and still numbers do not differ much from the case with no reinvestment.
That's telling me that at continous 20% network increase, and $6/gh for new hardware, it has no big effect on earnings. Petamine will be falling too much behind total network hashrate too fast.
Hope is, that network will not increase at 20% for long time, and hardware price will be lower.
Exactly. I was very conservative on my calcs. I will share my spreadsheet in a minute and maybe someone can help me improve it.
Remember that the of GHS for reinvestment is based on the usd/btc. I have it set at 600$, but if it goes up, the # of GHS to purchase goes up.
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Yes, it is for reinvestment. I will share my spreadsheet in a minute.
My #s are also very conservative, I don't think the 20% will hold and I know that the $/GHS will drop over time.
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We just jumped to 18Th/s.

your sooooo two hours ago - breaking 20Th/s now
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We just jumped to 18Th/s.
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even more workers being added.  Smiley great to see cryptx hard at work in background
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One more try on possible future valuation. I will use different approach - comparison with peers.
At the beginning I want to say that I had some trouble to find really comparable and publicly listed operations. For example there are several mining operations listed on Havelock - COG, HMF, KCIM - but each of them seems to be different in a meaningful way from Peta. HMF and KCIM are much, much smaller (by a factor of 20-40). In the case of COG it seems that the person who runs it does a lot of things that lead to a loss of credibility - which I hope won't be the case of Peta.

There are, of course, operations of 'hosting' and 'mining contract' type - but these having completely different model do not fix our purpose.

To chose peers I started with the following assumption: Peta has a good chance to be perceived by the market as a high profile operation. So I searched for listed operations with very good opinion.
I also searched for ventures with reinvestment strategy - this eliminates for example Picostocs' 500TH.
Stellar reputation and reinvestment requirements left me with: GMP (Cryptostocks), HMF (Havelock) and KCIM (Havelock). All of them much smaller but having good reputation and similar model.
To quantify this comparison I will use the price of Ghs we pay when buying shares. All ventures wait for new 28nm equipment and expect jump in hash power by March 2014.
Why all three could give a hint of FUTURE valuation of PETA? - 1) all three didn't sell their equipment in November 2013 so they have been paying dividends all the time. Which puts them well into the frame of running operation with reinvestment 2) their reputation is already very well established and the market sees practically no operational risk.

Comparison:

GMP - 0,09btc/Ghs
KCIM - 0,065btc/Ghs
HMF - 0,085btc/Ghs

PETA just after deployment: 240 -340Th, 80675 shares,  2,88-3,45 Ghs/share which leads to a price in the range of 0,185-0,32.

These results don't diverge much from (partial quote):
If we use that yield to be 33% of the share price, that gives 0.27 btc/share
25% -- 0.36 btc/share

And are more optimistic than those (partial quote):
If they base dividends on the 80674 outstanding shares, then the EPS becomes 0.02809btc


Further into the future?
1) Market valuation per Ghs will most probably decline in time (consequence of rising difficulty)
2) Smartness of reinvestment enters in full importance - CryptX's simulations show that Ghs/share could be well above 10 at the end of the year.

Please, don't treat this estimation too seriously. It's just a shot. And there are a lot of IF's  Wink 




   
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someone dumped 330 shares in a row, just after another ~100shares dump (done 10 by 10)  Shocked

time to buy Roll Eyes



heh I bet all these future profit calculations influenced it ( someone didn't like the numbers )

maybe they are gonna jump ship to AM with a 3.6% annual yield instead  Grin
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someone dumped 330 shares in a row, just after another ~100shares dump (done 10 by 10)  Shocked

time to buy Roll Eyes



heh I bet all these future profit calculations influenced it ( someone didn't like the numbers )
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will S some D for BTC just to invest in PETA
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someone dumped 330 shares in a row, just after another ~100shares dump (done 10 by 10)  Shocked

time to buy Roll Eyes



what a shortsighted move.  Roll Eyes maybe had bills to pay.  They will regret it later.
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Yes someone just bought 330 shares per 0.055
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someone dumped 330 shares in a row, just after another ~100shares dump (done 10 by 10)  Shocked

time to buy Roll Eyes

Wish I had coins to invest right now Sad
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someone dumped 330 shares in a row, just after another ~100shares dump (done 10 by 10)  Shocked

time to buy Roll Eyes

legendary
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PETA share price on havelock is really undervalued at this point, considering all the hardware coming in next few days/weeks.
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