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Also, did anyone else feel like the update was a giant FU to everyone?  It sounded really really smug to me and sort of like, yea whatever F you all I will do want i want.  Also ScryptX should have lowered fees now too since we now know that the hosting fee was not the bottom dollar that they could charge people.
No, I can't reasonably see it as an FU. At the end of profitabilty, Cryptx lowered hosting costs in order to prolong the life of the mine. Would you rather he didn't, so that we never received a dividend again, and the share price fell to zero immediately?
I think you misunderstood what I meant, not that what he did was a FU, but the way he did it.  I think we both agree that this just barely extends the life of the asset for a few more weeks, and they have just admitted that they can run the mine at lower hosting costs, so why did they wait until now to lower the hosting cost?  They are just trying to make as much money as they can and don't really care about the investor.

Fair enough, up to a point. They have certainly always been in it to make a profit, though. (As are we all?) If you were going to start a mine, and have people buy in, how would you make money? It's all been transparent, people who thought hosting costs were too high didn't have to buy in.
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Also, did anyone else feel like the update was a giant FU to everyone?  It sounded really really smug to me and sort of like, yea whatever F you all I will do want i want.  Also ScryptX should have lowered fees now too since we now know that the hosting fee was not the bottom dollar that they could charge people.

No, I can't reasonably see it as an FU. At the end of profitabilty, Cryptx lowered hosting costs in order to prolong the life of the mine. Would you rather he didn't, so that we never received a dividend again, and the share price fell to zero immediately?


I think you misunderstood what I meant, not that what he did was a FU, but the way he did it.  I think we both agree that this just barely extends the life of the asset for a few more weeks, and they have just admitted that they can run the mine at lower hosting costs, so why did they wait until now to lower the hosting cost?  They are just trying to make as much money as they can and don't really care about the investor.
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Yes, it is good news that money is flowing out to shareholders again

Exactly! Thank you.

If all assets were sold off right now, a last dividend of somewhere between .0007 and .001 btc per share would be sent out to all shareholders.

If cryptx continues to hold the machines and mine, they will pay out a lot less than that per share in dividends, and the price that you could get for the machines on the market will continue to go down, effectively decreasing the amount of final dividend that will be distributed.

This is not really a great difference. .0001 - .004 BTC per share is small potatoes at this point. I'm not saying it's nothing... but is is small spuds. If BTC/$ price goes up, this calculation could change significantly. Of course, it might not go up -- but we all hope it does, and if it doesn't the lifespan of this is not long anyway. Everyone is welcome to make their own risk assessment on this, but no matter what, this is not apocalyptic stuff.

Also, did anyone else feel like the update was a giant FU to everyone?  It sounded really really smug to me and sort of like, yea whatever F you all I will do want i want.  Also ScryptX should have lowered fees now too since we now know that the hosting fee was not the bottom dollar that they could charge people.

No, I can't reasonably see it as an FU. At the end of profitabilty, Cryptx lowered hosting costs in order to prolong the life of the mine. Would you rather he didn't, so that we never received a dividend again, and the share price fell to zero immediately?
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let me try to explain really slowly... the hardware is worth more than it will ever mine, and far more than it will ever generate after fees. Ive been saying this since spring, the least worst thing that could happen for shareholders is liquidation. The sooner the better. Wasnt this hardware purchased at like 5 or 7 BTC/TH ?  There was some hope zero dividend day would prompt a liquidation, making the current price possibly even attractive. Lowering fees, as predicted,  pushes this out, and cryptx will keep pushing this out until the hardware is worthless, because he only cares about his fees. Enjoy your crumbs in the meanwhile, Mr "247% annual return ".

Third time, for the very, very slow: yesterday we didn't make dividend. Today costs were lowered, dividend resumed, share price up.

Third time, for the very, very Puppet: Explain to me any way in which this is bad news for shareholders (not you, who are not a shareholder, and have other ways of assessing what is good news and bad).

I am not:
a) saying this is an amazing investment, as-it-stands-now.
b) saying this will turn everything around and everything is ok.
c) saying this is the best possible course.

But it is discouraging to me to come here and see the incessant trolling with an instant post about how only idiots will think this reduction of costs, resumption of dividends and subsequent rise in share price is good news. How, on Earth, could it *not* be construed as good news?

Just this thing. Not everything else. I am not commenting on your other hundreds of posts on this topic, Puppet. Just this one. Surely, it is good news?

Here is another way to think about it.

Yes, it is good news that money is flowing out to shareholders again, but better news would be if they decided to liquidate the mine, and here is why...

If all assets were sold off right now, a last dividend of somewhere between .0007 and .001 btc per share would be sent out to all shareholders.

If cryptx continues to hold the machines and mine, they will pay out a lot less than that per share in dividends, and the price that you could get for the machines on the market will continue to go down, effectively decreasing the amount of final dividend that will be distributed.

So yes, it is better that they are paying out dividends instead of keeping the mining revenues for themselves, but it could be even better if they just sell everything and pay out the proceeds.



Also, did anyone else feel like the update was a giant FU to everyone?  It sounded really really smug to me and sort of like, yea whatever F you all I will do want i want.  Also ScryptX should have lowered fees now too since we now know that the hosting fee was not the bottom dollar that they could charge people.

CryptX will never (or at least he tries to) sell the hardware. Running hardware generates hosting fee, this is the only thing he cares about HOSTING FEES, all the rest can go f*****ck themselves, as long as there are HOSTING FEES, all is OK in CryptX wonderland.
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let me try to explain really slowly... the hardware is worth more than it will ever mine, and far more than it will ever generate after fees. Ive been saying this since spring, the least worst thing that could happen for shareholders is liquidation. The sooner the better. Wasnt this hardware purchased at like 5 or 7 BTC/TH ?  There was some hope zero dividend day would prompt a liquidation, making the current price possibly even attractive. Lowering fees, as predicted,  pushes this out, and cryptx will keep pushing this out until the hardware is worthless, because he only cares about his fees. Enjoy your crumbs in the meanwhile, Mr "247% annual return ".

Third time, for the very, very slow: yesterday we didn't make dividend. Today costs were lowered, dividend resumed, share price up.

Third time, for the very, very Puppet: Explain to me any way in which this is bad news for shareholders (not you, who are not a shareholder, and have other ways of assessing what is good news and bad).

I am not:
a) saying this is an amazing investment, as-it-stands-now.
b) saying this will turn everything around and everything is ok.
c) saying this is the best possible course.

But it is discouraging to me to come here and see the incessant trolling with an instant post about how only idiots will think this reduction of costs, resumption of dividends and subsequent rise in share price is good news. How, on Earth, could it *not* be construed as good news?

Just this thing. Not everything else. I am not commenting on your other hundreds of posts on this topic, Puppet. Just this one. Surely, it is good news?

If I were you, I would buy all the shares you can get your hands on, considering this good news...

LOL
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Clearly not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.
let me try to explain really slowly... the hardware is worth more than it will ever mine, and far more than it will ever generate after fees. Ive been saying this since spring, the least worst thing that could happen for shareholders is liquidation. The sooner the better. Wasnt this hardware purchased at like 5 or 7 BTC/TH ?  There was some hope zero dividend day would prompt a liquidation, making the current price possibly even attractive. Lowering fees, as predicted,  pushes this out, and cryptx will keep pushing this out until the hardware is worthless, because he only cares about his fees. Enjoy your crumbs in the meanwhile, Mr "247% annual return ".

Third time, for the very, very slow: yesterday we didn't make dividend. Today costs were lowered, dividend resumed, share price up.

Third time, for the very, very Puppet: Explain to me any way in which this is bad news for shareholders (not you, who are not a shareholder, and have other ways of assessing what is good news and bad).

I am not:
a) saying this is an amazing investment, as-it-stands-now.
b) saying this will turn everything around and everything is ok.
c) saying this is the best possible course.

But it is discouraging to me to come here and see the incessant trolling with an instant post about how only idiots will think this reduction of costs, resumption of dividends and subsequent rise in share price is good news. How, on Earth, could it *not* be construed as good news?

Just this thing. Not everything else. I am not commenting on your other hundreds of posts on this topic, Puppet. Just this one. Surely, it is good news?

Here is another way to think about it.

Yes, it is good news that money is flowing out to shareholders again, but better news would be if they decided to liquidate the mine, and here is why...

If all assets were sold off right now, a last dividend of somewhere between .0007 and .001 btc per share would be sent out to all shareholders.

If cryptx continues to hold the machines and mine, they will pay out a lot less than that per share in dividends, and the price that you could get for the machines on the market will continue to go down, effectively decreasing the amount of final dividend that will be distributed.

So yes, it is better that they are paying out dividends instead of keeping the mining revenues for themselves, but it could be even better if they just sell everything and pay out the proceeds.



Also, did anyone else feel like the update was a giant FU to everyone?  It sounded really really smug to me and sort of like, yea whatever F you all I will do want i want.  Also ScryptX should have lowered fees now too since we now know that the hosting fee was not the bottom dollar that they could charge people.
legendary
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I give up. its great news hephaist0s, you will be receiving daily crumbs for several more months now and your annual yield will skyrocket as the share price keeps tumbling as cryptx milks his miners for what they are really worth. Rejoice!
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Clearly not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.
let me try to explain really slowly... the hardware is worth more than it will ever mine, and far more than it will ever generate after fees. Ive been saying this since spring, the least worst thing that could happen for shareholders is liquidation. The sooner the better. Wasnt this hardware purchased at like 5 or 7 BTC/TH ?  There was some hope zero dividend day would prompt a liquidation, making the current price possibly even attractive. Lowering fees, as predicted,  pushes this out, and cryptx will keep pushing this out until the hardware is worthless, because he only cares about his fees. Enjoy your crumbs in the meanwhile, Mr "247% annual return ".

Third time, for the very, very slow: yesterday we didn't make dividend. Today costs were lowered, dividend resumed, share price up.

Third time, for the very, very Puppet: Explain to me any way in which this is bad news for shareholders (not you, who are not a shareholder, and have other ways of assessing what is good news and bad).

I am not:
a) saying this is an amazing investment, as-it-stands-now.
b) saying this will turn everything around and everything is ok.
c) saying this is the best possible course.

But it is discouraging to me to come here and see the incessant trolling with an instant post about how only idiots will think this reduction of costs, resumption of dividends and subsequent rise in share price is good news. How, on Earth, could it *not* be construed as good news?

Just this thing. Not everything else. I am not commenting on your other hundreds of posts on this topic, Puppet. Just this one. Surely, it is good news?
legendary
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Clearly not the sharpest pencil in the drawer.
let me try to explain really slowly... the hardware is worth more than it will ever mine, and far more than it will ever generate after fees. Ive been saying this since spring, the least worst thing that could happen for shareholders is liquidation. The sooner the better. Wasnt this hardware purchased at like 5 or 7 BTC/TH ?  There was some hope zero dividend day would prompt a liquidation, making the current price possibly even attractive. Lowering fees, as predicted,  pushes this out, and cryptx will keep pushing this out until the hardware is worthless, because he only cares about his fees. Enjoy your crumbs in the meanwhile, Mr "247% annual return ".
hero member
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My mistake - I meant it is absolutely good news for shareholders. But you're not, so what's your angle, again?
legendary
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Rofl, you don't say. And some idiots will  think this is good news too

BTW it's not like their electricity provider lowered prices,  so at the very least cryptx suckered investors out of $0.045 per gh per month x 1150000=$51750 per month in excess fees.

Nicely done bert

You're nuts. It is good news, by absolutely any definition whatsoever. Costs have been lowered -- regardless of motivation, conspiracy theory, trolling, drunkenness -- it is good news.

What is your angle, again?
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Maybe if you guys all offer to go ride stationary bicycles outside their data center to generate free electricity, they'll lower the hosting fees some more and make this a worthwhile investment.  Grin

Man, I just solved all your problems!
legendary
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Emotions apart at current maintenance fees and market price this project suddenly became cheapest offer on the market I know about with theoretical possibility of getting some ROI...Hashnest at appr. the same maintenace costs is twice as expensive and cex.io almost four times. Of course all depends on difficulty growth  Wink

It also was the "cheapest" a few months ago. How did that work out?
The drop in fees gets you back to dividend levels like you did a few weeks ago, around 500 satoshi's in theory (not that cryptx ever achieved its theoretical yield, god knows where he gets his exchange rate from). Even if BTC price recovers, this only buys you a few more months of peanuts at best. Months during which the value of the hardware, the only thing that made this potentially worthwhile IMO,  continues to evaporate.
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Emotions apart at current maintenance fees and market price this project suddenly became cheapest offer on the market I know about with theoretical possibility of getting some ROI...Hashnest at appr. the same maintenace costs is twice as expensive and cex.io almost four times. Of course all depends on difficulty growth  Wink
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Rofl, you don't say. And some idiots will  think this is good news too

How could anyone say that is good news?  All they did was reduce the fee by enough so that they would just barely be paying dividends again, and they will continue to  collect their daily cut.

Somehow the share price rebounded back up to .0006, who would be stupid enough to buy back up that high, my only thoughts are Cryptx themselves.  And it just goes to show how much money they have been making this whole time that they can just cut the hosting fee by a third, no big deal.
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wish i woulda setup a wall at .0001 the other day now to sell back at .0006
legendary
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Rofl, you don't say. And some idiots will  think this is good news too

BTW it's not like their electricity provider lowered prices,  so at the very least cryptx suckered investors out of $0.045 per gh per month x 1150000=$51750 per month in excess fees.

Nicely done bert
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Dear unit holders,

We would like to announce that with immediate effect, hosting costs will be reduced from 0.15$/GH to 0.105$/GH per month. This in our effort to keep the mining operation as competitive as possible given the current market conditions where BTC rate remains at a yearly low and overall network hashrate increased significantly.

For people still having questions about how daily dividend is calculated, we refer to our update from August 25th.


Team CryptX
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