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September 15, 2013, 01:20:05 PM
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How to Transfer Shares:
Simply push the amount of shares to the issuer account on the source exchange, then send an e-mail to [email protected] noting your account name on the destination exchange you have chosen. Please use the same e-mail address you have registered with the source exchange for verification purposes.


This has me confused, because it appears I would get to choose the destination exchange.

In the NEOBEE thread you have said we can redeem this for bitfunder only.  To be clear: am I unable to redeem xbond shares for their equivalent NEOBEE shares on havelock, and I must sign up for bitfunder? (which I understand has been having some issues lately)

Correct.  However, you may have your NEOBEE shares transferred to Havelock for a BTC1.0 fee.

I was hoping TAT would chime in here, since the language in his write-up is ambiguous-- which led me astray.  Thankfully, a couple buy orders for XBOND never filled, or I would be very upset about this.


The language within the active Pre-IPVO offering is what is correct. This offering is limited to the Bitfunder underlying shares, and you would indeed need to initiate the transfer service if you then wish to hold those shares elsewhere via depistary receipts in the passthroughs. As I have mentioned elsewhere, this was a limitation reached within the negotiations with all parties.

The XBOND indenture text is only potentially confusing if you miss the Reserved Rights section, which states:

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8. To specify minimum or maximum redemption terms and eligibility for Pre-IPVO redemptions

We did foresee that we might not always be able to offer every possible option during Pre-IPVOs, and thus had to include that Reserved Right to allow us to bring the best offerings we could, while having the ability to negotiate with 3rd parties.

Hopefully this explanation helps!
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September 15, 2013, 11:04:08 AM
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How to Transfer Shares:
Simply push the amount of shares to the issuer account on the source exchange, then send an e-mail to [email protected] noting your account name on the destination exchange you have chosen. Please use the same e-mail address you have registered with the source exchange for verification purposes.


This has me confused, because it appears I would get to choose the destination exchange.

In the NEOBEE thread you have said we can redeem this for bitfunder only.  To be clear: am I unable to redeem xbond shares for their equivalent NEOBEE shares on havelock, and I must sign up for bitfunder? (which I understand has been having some issues lately)

Correct.  However, you may have your NEOBEE shares transferred to Havelock for a BTC1.0 fee.

I was hoping TAT would chime in here, since the language in his write-up is ambiguous-- which led me astray.  Thankfully, a couple buy orders for XBOND never filled, or I would be very upset about this.
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September 15, 2013, 02:42:19 AM
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How to Transfer Shares:
Simply push the amount of shares to the issuer account on the source exchange, then send an e-mail to [email protected] noting your account name on the destination exchange you have chosen. Please use the same e-mail address you have registered with the source exchange for verification purposes.


This has me confused, because it appears I would get to choose the destination exchange.

In the NEOBEE thread you have said we can redeem this for bitfunder only.  To be clear: am I unable to redeem xbond shares for their equivalent NEOBEE shares on havelock, and I must sign up for bitfunder? (which I understand has been having some issues lately)

Correct.  However, you may have your NEOBEE shares transferred to Havelock for a BTC1.0 fee.
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September 15, 2013, 02:28:23 AM
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How to Transfer Shares:
Simply push the amount of shares to the issuer account on the source exchange, then send an e-mail to [email protected] noting your account name on the destination exchange you have chosen. Please use the same e-mail address you have registered with the source exchange for verification purposes.


This has me confused, because it appears I would get to choose the destination exchange.

In the NEOBEE thread you have said we can redeem this for bitfunder only.  To be clear: am I unable to redeem xbond shares for their equivalent NEOBEE shares on havelock, and I must sign up for bitfunder? (which I understand has been having some issues lately)
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September 09, 2013, 06:13:01 PM
This is a preliminary announcement about the upcoming first XBOND share-exchange opportunity. We are still finalizing the dates, but you can learn more about the asset being offered here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings-289730

Below are the details specific to the XBOND phase of the offering, but please DO NOT send your bonds back yet. The date will be announced.

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IPVO Details

The opening date and time of the IPVO shall be confirmed soon, as we are working to coordinate it's release as best as possible.

LMB Holdings Share Structure
Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).

Investor Protection Plan
The initial 9,600,000 shares of LMB Holdings have the privilege of getting all profits until a total of 0.0035 bitcoins per share has been paid. Following this initial period of protection, dividends will be divided equally amongst all public and private shareholders.

Initial Public Virtual Offering
The underlying asset shall be registered and traded on BitFunder, under the ticker NEOBEE.
TAT.NEOBEE shares will be also sold as depositary receipts in tandem on other exchanges where the asset has been granted approval by LMB Holdings. Shares will be made available to TAT Investments dynamically across all exchanges as the market demands during the IPVO. There are three phases of the IPVO:

Private Tranche - 1,100,000 Shares - Sold privately to Angel Investors

Pre-IPVO Offering - 500,000 Shares @ 0.0025 BTC each
(Pre-IPVO Offering, available only to XBOND holders, see next section)

Public Offering - 8,000,000 Shares @ 0.003 BTC each

XBOND Exchangable Offering
Through partnership with LMB Holdings, TAT Investments has negotiated that the next round of shares be made exclusively to the holders of XBOND as a Pre-IPVO Offering. This offering will be made available for the 72 hours preceding the official IPVO (date to be determined). Any unsold shares from this round will be made available to existing private shareholders.

Pre-IPVO Redemption: Each XBOND unit may exchanged at the full face value, 0.001 bitcoins each, toward the purchase of shares of the underlying asset as released on BitFunder. XBOND holders will have first access to 500,000 shares at the price of 0.0025 bitcoins each. Shares will be allocated on a first come, first served basis according to the instructions below.
Pre-IPVO Redemption Rules & Instructions:
To instigate a redemption exchange for Pre-IPVO this offering, simply transfer your bonds to the the XBOND issuer account within HavelockInvestments.com, Also, please send a corresponding email to [email protected] confirming your desired Pre-IPVO purchase quantity desired, and your account name on the destination exchange.
- Pre-IPVO exchanges will be fulfilled in the order that the full transfer is received. If the Pre-IPVO-eligible share inventory is depleted, any remaining XBOND units will be pushed back to their owner. In this event, dividends earned in the interim will be returned with the XBOND units.
- Pre-IPVO purchases must be paid in full by redeeming XBOND units, and must be an EVEN NUMBER of shares. Bitcoins cannot be used to make up any differences.
- Once a share exchange request is received it is binding.
- Your order may be partially filled if the eligible inventory has been depleted.
- Pre-IPVO shares will provided 3 days after the IPVO opens on BitFunder.

Transfer of Shares
Shares of the underlying asset on BitFunder may be imported or exported into any TAT.NEOBEE passthrough, or the underlying asset on Bitfunder.

There is no minimum quantity for transfers, but any transfer order must pay a 1.0 Bitcoin service fee.

How to Transfer Shares:
Simply push the amount of shares to the issuer account on the source exchange, then send an e-mail to [email protected] noting your account name on the destination exchange you have chosen. Please use the same e-mail address you have registered with the source exchange for verification purposes.

After your shares and request have been received, TAT Investments will push your new shares to your account in approximately 24-48 hours.

NOTE: TAT Investments is not responsible for any lost value, arbitrage, or trading opportunities due to delays in processing transfer requests.

Dividend payments
The global income of LMB Holdings, including operating profits from all LMB Holdings subsidiaries, will be paid to the LMB Holdings shareholders proportionally, after all operating, growth and miscellaneous expenses are deducted. The 9,600,000 public shares will receive the first dividends up to the value of 0.0035BTC/share, providing public investors a priority in receiving a minimum of 100% return on their investment. Dividend payments will be made on the last working day of each quarter at midnight (GMT+2).

Voting Rights
Shareholders in LMB Holdings do not have explicit voting rights. Any questions or concerns will be answered within 24 hours through our own investor relations website.
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August 20, 2013, 09:34:56 PM
Where would we go to find out about the pre-IPO exchange opportunities? Will they be posted in this thread, or do I have to pay extra close attention to the securities forum?

I bought up 250,000 shares and I'm pretty excited!

You can tweak your Havelock notification emails to alert you when news and such is updated on the actual contract. I can't see TAT not putting news there if/when there is any.
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August 20, 2013, 09:28:07 PM
Where would we go to find out about the pre-IPO exchange opportunities? Will they be posted in this thread, or do I have to pay extra close attention to the securities forum?

I bought up 250,000 shares and I'm pretty excited!
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August 20, 2013, 03:23:12 AM
people aren't reading, or thinking. Or they know something that I don't (highly possible).
My guess is that they're betting on getting in on some new, unknown IPO that TAT will do in the future through XBOND and are then able to flip the IPO shares directly post-IPO for a profit greater than the premium paid for the XBONDs.
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August 20, 2013, 02:40:05 AM
people aren't reading, or thinking. Or they know something that I don't (highly possible).
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August 18, 2013, 09:41:03 PM
it looks like he's just releasing shares willy nilly

i noticed there were ~10,000 units above the original 2,000,000 shortly after the IPO, and now it appears there's around ~20,000

brilliant idea for this bond really, ethical issues aside, manipulating the share price by buying and releasing the shares by the issuer would be a cash cow (don't mean to imply this is being done, it just occured to me the other day as the price steadily rose)

Well if the market doesn't read what the range should be can't really say it was the issuers fault.
Gotta blame them speculators
Besides it's already detailed

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August 4th, 2013 - Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND. The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at great than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you receive 5% in coupon payments.



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August 18, 2013, 08:31:08 PM
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August 4th, 2013 - Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND. The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at great than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you receive 5% in coupon payments.


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August 18, 2013, 07:10:43 PM
#98
it looks like he's just releasing shares willy nilly

i noticed there were ~10,000 units above the original 2,000,000 shortly after the IPO, and now it appears there's around ~20,000

brilliant idea for this bond really, ethical issues aside, manipulating the share price by buying and releasing the shares by the issuer would be a cash cow (don't mean to imply this is being done, it just occured to me the other day as the price steadily rose)
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August 18, 2013, 06:59:32 PM
#97
Should have just held and assumed market to be irrational awaits a second round of shares  to be released Grin
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August 18, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
#96
I too am surprised at these prices.

I sold all my shares by now and am happy with the return. I initially bought as something to just hold and not 'trade' to see what came of this unique 'bond'. The rise made it to tempting to not dump though. I am going to miss the daily divs until the next batch comes aboard. Fair warning I will be gobbling them up to rinse/repeat.

XBOND has turned out to be pretty sweet and I have a feeling TAT has more in store for investors.
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August 15, 2013, 11:43:46 PM
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Who in the world is buying XBOND @ 0.00107700 XBT?

mind blown..

People who don't pay attention to the callback cost lol

Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.

I'm not into bonds, but do you guys feel that anything under .00105 is a value for this bond worth buying?

Yield wise AM pays more and costs more but the value in this bond is line 2 and 6/7 days the line below that for micro bitcoiners.
BASIC has a slightly higher yield but the cost is a lot more for one Basic Share than TAT bond.

Simply put this bond is cheap enough you can probably do the free cycle at bitvisitor and buy these shares eventually although at that scale not sure how much fees factor in. (coinreaper if your in a faster mood, dailybitcoins if you use inputs io for a fast one etc)

(Go sign up for coinchat or add an ad below your posts from one of the gambling groups and you get more Smiley )
But since I went and visited it adds a shameless pr post for bothering with it Tongue
http://www.bitvisitor.com/?ref=1EByjy9e4FeGZuTV4Rx5hbf4PnFt7jGh8M

2. To provide Pre-IPO Placement access to upcoming public offerings issued by TAT Investments
These offerings may include stocks, bonds, futures and other investment opportunities.

This bond pays a fixed-rate daily coupon, or interest rate, of 0.05% (18.25% APY). Each coupon will be scheduled to payout daily at 12:00 pm EST, unless the host exchange has technical issues, in which case the payments will occur at the earliest time possible.
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August 15, 2013, 11:39:32 PM
#94
Who in the world is buying XBOND @ 0.00107700 XBT?

mind blown..

People who don't pay attention to the callback cost lol

Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.

I'm not into bonds, but do you guys feel that anything under .00105 is a value for this bond worth buying?
legendary
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August 15, 2013, 10:58:02 PM
#93
Who in the world is buying XBOND @ 0.00107700 XBT?

mind blown..

People who don't pay attention to the callback cost lol

Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.
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August 15, 2013, 05:55:40 PM
#92
Who in the world is buying XBOND @ 0.00107700 XBT?

mind blown..
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August 12, 2013, 11:43:46 AM
#91
Dividend mails keep getting sent today. What's going on?

Havelock had some glitches while getting back online this morning. All is well now!
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August 12, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
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Dividend mails keep getting sent today. What's going on?
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