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Phoeynix

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Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 07, 2013, 10:48:36 AM

Quote from: Phoeynix on August 07, 2013, 10:43:13 AM

Ok, so I have a question. I recently bought some shares and I have the understanding that it pays daily. When I logged onto my havelock account to see what was going on, it stated that XBOND paid out a dividend payment already today. Yet when I looked at my transaction log, it didn't state that there was a dividend deposit.

Was wondering how long or when do dividend payments appear in account?

Working on this with Havelock. I think the div payout was glitched because I moved the funding from the source wallet to another wallet. It was fixed as soon as it was brought to my attention, but this morning's div might need to be manually pushed by Havelock to finish the fix.

I got it! Just went through, thanks for checking into this matter.

ThickAsThieves

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Quote from: Phoeynix on August 07, 2013, 10:43:13 AM

Ok, so I have a question. I recently bought some shares and I have the understanding that it pays daily. When I logged onto my havelock account to see what was going on, it stated that XBOND paid out a dividend payment already today. Yet when I looked at my transaction log, it didn't state that there was a dividend deposit.

Was wondering how long or when do dividend payments appear in account?

Working on this with Havelock. I think the div payout was glitched because I moved the funding from the source wallet to another wallet. It was fixed as soon as it was brought to my attention, but this morning's div might need to be manually pushed by Havelock to finish the fix.

Phoeynix

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Ok, so I have a question. I recently bought some shares and I have the understanding that it pays daily. When I logged onto my havelock account to see what was going on, it stated that XBOND paid out a dividend payment already today. Yet when I looked at my transaction log, it didn't state that there was a dividend deposit.

Was wondering how long or when do dividend payments appear in account?

usagi

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Quote from: usagi on August 06, 2013, 01:23:24 PM

Graet.Loan and even Ukyo.Loan which pays 50% more than XBOND

They're both on BitFunder which I would rather avoid (which is understatement - I can't login into WeExchange), they don't offer perks besides interest.
There's also the issue of trusting the issuers.

Quote from: bcp19 on August 06, 2013, 02:18:25 PM

Quote from: usagi on August 06, 2013, 01:23:24 PM

Both of those haven't sold out their IPO yet so I don't understand why there is such a demand for XBOND.

This statement alone makes me avoid them, why should I invest in something that has such weak interest in it that it can't even sell out the IPO?

I'm not sure -- I had many of these same issues but I've overcome them. If you're having trouble with weexchange and bitfunder, you should probably go to IRC for help. You probably don't know this because I never see you there, but that is how you are supposed to ask for help on BitFunder. They even have an irc client on their webpage in the "help" section.

Also, if you would rather not do so personally you can get exposure to the dozen or so companies not on BTC-TC through a fund. I run one (BMF) for example and we hold a lot of Ukyo.Loan.

Pale Phoenix

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Quote from: usagi on August 06, 2013, 01:23:24 PM

I encourage and implore TAT investments to take advantage of people's greed and sell into the bid to 0.001/unit. Bidding over face value for a recallable face value bond is probably unwise. There are other places to put your money -- notably Graet.Loan and even Ukyo.Loan which pays 50% more than XBOND. Both of those haven't sold out their IPO yet so I don't understand why there is such a demand for XBOND.

I would think it obvious... many people have purchased these bonds in order to have the first crack at future TAT IPO's. The daily interest may turn out to be a small part of the overall return should those IPO's behave like recent issues on Havelock and BTCT.

bcp19

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Quote from: usagi on August 06, 2013, 01:23:24 PM

Both of those haven't sold out their IPO yet so I don't understand why there is such a demand for XBOND.

This statement alone makes me avoid them, why should I invest in something that has such weak interest in it that it can't even sell out the IPO?

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Quote from: bcp19 on August 06, 2013, 12:55:50 PM

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 04, 2013, 05:21:08 PM

Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.

I'm guessing this is the reason outstanding shares are listed as 2,018,620?

I encourage and implore TAT investments to take advantage of people's greed and sell into the bid to 0.001/unit. Bidding over face value for a recallable face value bond is probably unwise. There are other places to put your money -- notably Graet.Loan and even Ukyo.Loan which pays 50% more than XBOND. Both of those haven't sold out their IPO yet so I don't understand why there is such a demand for XBOND.

bcp19

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Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 04, 2013, 05:21:08 PM

Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.

I'm guessing this is the reason outstanding shares are listed as 2,018,620?

ThickAsThieves

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Please be careful speculating on the price of XBOND.

The callback cost is 105% (0.00105 bitcoins each).

We can issue more bonds at will; and callback can happen at any time.

This means that if you buy an XBOND at greater than 0.00105, you run the risk of loss if it is ever called back before you profit from coupon payments.

ThickAsThieves

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Looks like the offering sold out in about 14 hours.

Thank you everyone for making the release a success!

I'll post updates as they become available.

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Learning the troll avoidance button :)

Quote from: Ninshatamoto on August 03, 2013, 02:39:25 AM

4th tranch is completely sold out - looking forward to see how this develops!

Nice speed

Ninshatamoto

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4th tranch is completely sold out - looking forward to see how this develops!

linko

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167515 / 500000 bonds left of the 4th (and final) tranche as of Sat, 03 Aug 2013 01:35:39 -0400

bitmillion

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Thank you, ya that all sounds respectable, and having at least the exchange owners knowing your personal info , along with the SEC as a valid fear factor after pirate40 guy i suppose your as credible as it gets in the crypto world. congrats on your fast almost complete sell off of xbond

ThickAsThieves

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Quote from: bitmillion on August 02, 2013, 06:16:05 PM

Maybe i need to do more research, but i find it difficult to see an additional raise of funds close to 200,000 USD worth to TAT , having a hidden email contact on this forum, a gmail only contact on the havelock exchange, let alone thieves in the company name, and no website to be found via google that i can see. do you have a name ? office ?

Think of all the "names" you know in bitcoin investing. Are they more, or less trustworthy than the well-known handles?

The exchange operators do know who I am, where I live, and my background in business (other than MPEx, since I have yet to issue there).

We have a legal firm working on formalizing TATI as we speak, not only in a business sense, but in the eyes of the SEC as well. We have a plan, and we are executing it.

I told you all in the past that I am trying to raise standards, and that's what I'm doing. TATI is bringing new concepts to the market, investing money into new bitcoin services, making new bitcoin legal accomplishments, and other surprises.

A website will come eventually...

bitmillion

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Maybe i need to do more research, but i find it difficult to see an additional raise of funds close to 200,000 USD worth to TAT , having a hidden email contact on this forum, a gmail only contact on the havelock exchange, let alone thieves in the company name, and no website to be found via google that i can see. do you have a name ? office ?

mootinator

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Looks like the third tranche is about 80% sold already.

Exocyst

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Science!

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 02, 2013, 03:38:02 PM

Quote from: Ytterbium on August 02, 2013, 03:27:35 PM

But seriously just chill. If you don't trust these guys with your money, then don't hold the shares.

It's not as simple as that. The greater issue here is the legitimacy of the market itself.

We care, so we kick and scream. I don't want issuers acting like scammers, or investors buying into scams, regardless of whether I hold shares.

It affects everyone. It affects the value of everything, and bitcoin's health in general.

I spotted the diplomacy I was looking for

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 02, 2013, 03:26:08 PM

Quote from: Exocyst on August 02, 2013, 03:07:54 PM

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on August 02, 2013, 10:18:11 AM

Otherwise, I think most people find that I try to be both diplomatic and a purveyor of progress.

Still wondering what you meant by diplomatic... Tongue

Are all future listings to be supported by this bond to be released on Havelock Investments? It seems you have had successful launches there recently (including this bond).

What I meant about diplomatic is that I do my best to be respectful while being respected, and I try to take people seriously when I'm not sure if they are serious. Being tactful on the internet ain't easy, and people like to make it even more difficult with trolling and dramatic overtures. Being diplomatic while trying to be progressive is even worse, being that many dislike or misunderstand change.

Quote from: ThickAsThieves on July 31, 2013, 06:14:17 AM

3. Any XBOND on any exchange can be exchanged toward Pre-IPO offerings on any exchange, so long as they are issued by TAT Investments.

See above, but generally an XBOND sold on any exchange is redeemable to any eligible IPO on any exchange. I'll post Pre-IPO details along with any IPO announcements. These details will include any schedules, specifications or limits (if any).

I realize you don't want to divulge secrets of upcoming releases, but I am more interested to invest in an index fund traded on Havelock or BTC-TC than BitFunder (no API), so let me be more direct: do you have a preferred market for listing new offerings? (Don't say BitFunder) Cheesy

mootinator

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I see your point Anon. The thing that keeps a normal bond near it's face value is that at the maturity date, that's all you're getting for it. A perpetual bond should either rise to the maximum point people still think the return is worthwhile or fall to the redeemable value.

Anonymousg64

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you cant have a supply/demand market with a fixed price, unless a fixed price is directly enforced.

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