Topic: Health and Religion - page 21. (Read 210888 times)

As I have shown in the evolution hoax thread, all your evolution evidence is just talk. It has nothing to back up that what is seen is evolution and not something else. And, a simple Google of "impossible evolution" shows why evolution is just dream talk.

As for the soul and spirit, the proof is the fact that you are aware of your awareness. All you need do is check the definitions in dictionaries and encyclopedias.

The fact that you are using higher reasoning to determine that what I say is horse****, shows that you are attempting to talk away your very soul and spirit which are directing your mind to make such a judgment.

What's the evidence for a ''soul''? I have a ton of evidence for evolution and so do 99.99% of scientists and most religious people actually accept evolution as a fact. What do you have?

You are the one saying someone who wasn't even born has knowledge of god, I ask you where is the evidence, you give me this paragraph of horseshit, give me the evidence or admit you lost the argument.

I think that you can find with a tad of research, that I haven't made it up. But even if I had, so what? I mean, you talk about the evolution fiction. So why can't I talk about the soul fact, even though you might call it a fiction? You simply like to be in control. Why not start by controlling your own soul a little?

As for the Bible not saying this stuff, I don't know that such is true, that it doesn't. But when you bring Bible into it, are you talking religion? Or are you simply picking on the Bible as much as you can? Or am I the one you are picking on? I mean, since you don't really have answers, you seem to like to pick on people. That's the trademark of a troll.

Science has proven that God exists, and operates all things via cause and effect. So, the soul was put in place via C&E just like everything else. The question is when. Since the soul is very complex as shown by the fact that it outmaneuvers the brain and mind at times, it is logical to say that God put it in place before the brain and mind. Use your head for something besides a hair rack a little, and see that if I am talking erroneously, at least there is way more to what I say than just fabrication.

Religion is simply the mind trying to get back to the position of the things that the soul understood before conception.

Ok, first of all stop making shit up. ''but were Christians before conception'' Nothing in the bible says anything about you knowing about god before being born.

If you are just going to fabricate everything, there is no point in arguing with you about anything.

Makes perfect sense. The Christian religion isn't trying to simply convert Muslims for the first time. Rather it is trying to convert Muslims who were not Muslims, but were Christians before conception, and who threw it away by listening to Muslim parents... back to Christianity again. This is the deeper meaning of the shepherd who left the 99 sheep on the hill, and went off to find the lost one. The lost one was Christian before, but became Muslim (or some other religion).

Christian development is before conception and during the 9 months in Mommy's tummy. However, since you are so blind that you can't even realize that it is your soul or spirit - the "I am" part of you - that is allowing you to carry on a reasoning discussion, how are you ever going to understand faith before conception. No wonder it is beyond your scope of thinking.

Look into dictionary and encyclopedia descriptions of soul and spirit to see that the deep kind of reasoning done by people, is not done outside of the soul or spirit.

Still makes no sense, I don't think you really understand my argument. Me and af_newbie are totally different, sure we both don't believe in god but our reasons are different and we experienced life differently. Sure someone from Islam might become a christian but how often does that happen? once a year? THE POINT IS THAT IT IS MUCH HARDER TO CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY IF YOU ARE BORN A MUSLIM AND IT IS NOT FAIR FOR THE KIDS WHO ARE BORN MUSLIMS. How hard is it to understand the argument?

Someone whose soul accepted being born in a non-Christian country before he was conceived, has made his choice from a faith-in-God standpoint.

The fact that God increases faith according to what a person learns, doesn't really have any bearing on anything. Consider. You have had training in God-religion. And so has af_newbie. But you both wound up being unfaithful. Alternately, there are many people who have converted from, say, Islam to Christianity.

All it is, is God carrying out the things of your free will faith for you, because you could do nothing without God carrying it all out for you through cause and effect.

I like your ramblings but they are absolutely useless to what I said. God is not fair. ''someone born into a christian country will have much more chances to believe in god than someone who isn't. '' Just like someone born with a disease and killed in 10 years because of it will have less chances to believe in god than someone who lives 70 years. It's simple logic and you can't even accept that.

Is that why you want 6 or 8 arms? I used to think that you are trolling, but the further you go shows that it must be inbred willing ignorance.

Life is a battle in some ways. You are continuing to prove it. So, life in the midst of a dread disease is a conquering of that disease. And death is a killing of that disease, while death believing in God is eternal life in perfection. People are winning, but unbelievers are losing.

You are the sick critter. Why? Because you freely ask for death and destruction (even though you could change), but blame God that you so ask.

''Why do you think that someone who is born without an arm would want to be or would not want to be born without an arm?'' You are just trolling now, god according to the bible made us using his image, meaning 2 arms, unless you are mentally ill you know having 2 arms is better than having one. That's why I know anyone would want to be born with both arms yet they aren't, just like everyone would want to be born healthy and not have cancer or some rare disease. 

''So, praise God for life if nothing else.'' Would you want to live with a rare disease that causes you extreme pain since you are born and kills you in 15-20 years after you are born?

God is a sick bastard, our free will is meaningless because being here is not fair, someone born into a christian country will have much more chances to believe in god than someone who isn't.

Why do you think that someone who is born without an arm would want to be or would not want to be born without an arm? You are mixing it up with his later greed for something that he sees that other people have. After all, is he alive without his arm? So, praise God for life if nothing else.

People ignorantly dumped themselves into pain and problems. And they do it daily, all around the world, by not acting according to the laws of the Bible. Pain and death are the results.

God is working His best to maintain the freedom of the people to continue to make such choices, or to choose to change their choices into things that will produce joy.

You would agree, wouldn't you, that when a person dies, he loses whatever pain that he has in this life? Death is a blessing from God. He's using it to take away the pain.

Why doesn't God simply fix things so that there aren't any pains or problems? Because people would simple use their freedom to make more pains and problems for themselves.

Why doesn't God simply take freedom away? Because then people wouldn't be people. And besides, if they could understand the idea of what freedom was, and knew that they didn't have any of it, they wouldn't like God for that either.

Wake up and understand that people are doing pain and problems to themselves and each other, and that is what they will always do in this life and universe, with the kind of physics that make up this universe.

God is making a new heavens and a new earth. This present heavens and earth will be destroyed, so that the problems that people make for themselves will be destroyed along with their abilities to make problems for themselves.

The new heavens and earth will have different physics in them, so we can't begin to understand how they will work. But, people will have freedom there, without the ability to make problems. God can do it because He is God.

Why didn't God do it in this universe, right now? Because He wanted people to be so strong great that He gave them God-greatness. They threw it away, freely and willingly. He figured a way around that. The answer is the new heavens and the new earth.

Since you are ignorant about recognition and praise, and the great position it holds in the univrse Sometimes I think you are just trolling me.

You are not making any sense, ''Then He chose, in love, to relieve as much of the pain and problem as free people would let Him'' People also have the freedom to chose pain or not? I thought free will was only about faith in god and nothing else. Why would someone want to be born without an arm tho? Do you even read your ''arguments''?

Since you are ignorant about recognition and praise, and the great position it holds in the univrse, I understand why you would think as you do.

God offered freedom. Then He chose, in love, to relieve as much of the pain and problem as free people would let Him, but you are the living proof that you freely don't want your problem relieved. You would rather get old and die, and then die forever in the dissolution of your actual self.

Same with many others. But not all. There is a remnant who will give and get praise with God.

More recognition and praising lol, you would think that an all knowing powerful god couldn't care less about recognition or praising from us, do you understand that? ''A great accomplishment of God that they are born after the disease has been trying to kill them'' God is responsible for the disease in the first place, since everything is done by him, remember? You said win-win, I say lose-lose. Living in pain your whole life is not a win.

Trying to set yourself up as god, by claiming that God doesn't exist when you know that you don't know that He doesn't exist, is quite a self-contradictory religion you have there. How do you get any health out of being so self-contradictory in your religion?

You said they were born^^^. A great accomplishment of God that they are born after the disease has been trying to kill them. All the more reason for them and others to praise God for His greatness.

''The point of being here is to recognize the greatness of God'' You already recognize god's greatness before you are born so no need.

''Our existence is a win-win situation for God and people.'' Unless it's not, I know plenty of religious people who were born with extremely bad diseases, without arms or died of really bad things, certainly not a win-win.

If it were not for science (printing press), the number of Bibles would only be in the hundred thousands, and virtually all other writings would be in the literal 5 or 10 books or less, of each. As it is, we have thousands or millions of other books, and billions of the Bible. So, God's Word is spreading faster than anything else because of science.

The point of being here is to recognize the greatness of God, and marvel at it. The praise God receives from us glorifies Him, and He turns around and blesses us in our lives so that we can praise Him more. Our existence is a win-win situation for God and people.

One of the best examples of how to praise God is found in Revelation 7:11,12:
Don't be misled into thinking that you are not glorifying God. Even if you are destroyed for your unbelief, this will bring glory to God, because those of us who remain, will see how much patience God had with you until you finally destroyed yourself. We will glorify God because of the Greatness that He is, in having so much patience with one who only defies Him.

If you already have all the knowledge about jesus before you are even born and you already pick whether you believe in god or not, what's the point of being here? God already knows before you are born if you are believing in him or not, he would just take us to heaven directly, again your argument doesn't work no matter how much shit you invent.